The Marth Support Thread - Fire Emblem's First Lord is Confirmed!

[y3nia659]

I was just saying than in my opinion that would make the game unoriginal, but I really like your thread. Well done

 

[Rex+]

I was just saying than in my opinion that would make the game unoriginal, but I really like your thread. Well done

Does Marth's inclusion in Melee make the game unoriginal to you?

 

[NukeA6]

What is with people trying to add ridiculous rules to Smash? No, there's nothing at all requiring that there's only one Mother main character in the Smash series - how you came to this crazy conclusion is beyond me. Under your astounding logic, if Marth comes back, that means all of the other leads from the FE series must be playable as well.

All of the Mother mains are similar in several ways. They all have similar outfits, all can use bats, and all use PSI. Ninten looks like Ness and shares his healing PSI but has more defensive powers. Lucas has all of Ness's PSI attacks (PSI Rockin is called PSI Love in Mother 3) and both can use yoyos. I also notice that each Mother game has a different female character with powerful psychic powers.

Also, wasn't Ness supposed to be removed from Melee? Of course that didn't happen since Mother 3 was delayed (it was supposed to be for N64).

Unlike the Mother series, the Fire Emblem lords are actually different from one another. Marth, as you know, is your standard lord who walks on foot and uses swords. Sigurd uses spears and swords and rides on horseback. Hector uses axes and Lyn fights in an Ayra/Nabarl style. Ike uses mostly swords and can wield axes plus he fights a more mercenary-style when compared to Marth. Ephraim uses spears and Micaiah is special since she uses magic instead of melee weapons like the other lords.

Otherwise though theres Sigurd (if the rumors of him being Sakurai's favorite are true, Eliwood (who apparently is fairly popular in Japan), Hector, Leaf, and even the off chance of a Roy return to consider, and none of them stand out enough for it to be predictable IMO.

Sakurai's favorite FE character is Nabarl (or Navarre if you prefer that name) who is the precursor to Ayra. Maybe Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite lord.

 

[SvartWolf]

lol, im supporter, but i feel this thread a bit useless...

I mean, marth doesn't need support! he is practically in! even if all smash boards would agree and send a letter in representation of smash community that they don't want marth in, marth would be still in...

Roy, in the other hand...

 

[NukeA6]

lol, im supporter, but i feel this thread a bit useless...

I mean, marth doesn't need support! he is practically in! even if all smash boards would agree and send a letter in representation of smash community that they don't want marth in, marth would be still in...

Roy, in the other hand...

The thread is just there to make people realize how great of a chance Marth has in Brawl and why he's too good to be left in the dust.

 

[Saph66]

Well besides the fact that we're supporting him. This is basically the Official Marth thread. We can discuss how his moves will change in brawl etc.

 

[Okysho]

Sakurai's favorite FE character is Nabarl (or Navarre if you prefer that name) who is the precursor to Ayra. Maybe Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite lord.

NAVARRE!!! WOOO in the anime, the subs read navahl... but whatever... I thin he's awesome too

Hmm your kind of right that it is a bit "Questionable" But i do agree with you about Michiah being great , As for claus i see what you mean by there , Glad to hear from you and still a GREAT thread =P.

As popular as Machiah may be, the fact of the matter is that PoR/RD already has an FE representative... and with Marth's sure return, we can safely assume that FE1,3 and 11 are now represented also, so wouldn't ot make more sense to pick an entirely game for the last FE rep? I'm not really making a suggestion, but just give that fact a bit of thought

 

[silver777]

Sakurai's favorite FE character is Nabarl (or Navarre if you prefer that name) who is the precursor to Ayra. Maybe Sigurd is Sakurai's favorite lord.

I'd like to have a source to this, please.

people claim he was ment to be in the original\melee, but he couldn't be in, I just don't know how these things spread without any proof.

 

[NukeA6]

I'd like to have a source to this, please.

people claim he was ment to be in the original\melee, but he couldn't be in, I just don't know how these things spread without any proof.

I found this on a thread in GameFAQs (which gave links to Sakurai's journal). I would show you it but the thread is no longer there.

That's if you are talking about Nabarl. If it is Sigurd, I cannot tell you that. I only guessed it was Sakurai's fav lord but I only heard many times that he was the fave character. I know just as much as you on that.

 

[Han]

I'd say any merit that assumption had is gone. We have Snake and Sonic, who are known to be secret characters, and King Dedede, who is most likely such (wouldn't make much sense for the entire Kirby crew to be starters). I'd even argue that its likely that Meta Knight and all the newcomers revealed after him probably are as well, which is why his announcement was delayed.

Touche, but there were some newcomers playable straight away in Melee as well. But you make a valid point: I agree that Snake and Sonic and quite a few of the newcomers will be secret, you are probably right. But there will be some who are playable from the start. Again, just my opinion.

 

[Zevox]

Touche, but there were some newcomers playable straight away in Melee as well. But you make a valid point: I agree that Snake and Sonic and quite a few of the newcomers will be secret, you are probably right. But there will be some who are playable from the start. Again, just my opinion.

Of course. I fully expect the newcomers who were revealed in the first trailer (save of course Snake) to be starters, and probably Diddy, PT, and Ike as well.

Zevox

 

[person701]

No Ness will be in! Why does everyone hate him?

I don't hate Ness. Just saying, if they released a new character, wouldn't it make more sence to show Ness' face first?

I hate Marth I think he should just be an AT or trophy, IMO the blue hair and weapons makes the game look unoriginal. I personally hope he's out, I want a female Fire Emblem rep (Eirika, Elincia, or Micaiah). However, I can't deny his chances or his importance you did a Great JOb on this!

Blue hair and weapons makes it look unoriginal? That's a shame but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'll respect that.

The thread is just there to make people realize how great of a chance Marth has in Brawl and why he's too good to be left in the dust.

That is soooooo true.

Well besides the fact that we're supporting him. This is basically the Official Marth thread. We can discuss how his moves will change in brawl etc.

IMO, if they were going to nerf anything from Marth, it would definatly be his tippers

 

[Okysho]

IMO, if they were going to nerf anything from Marth, it would definatly be his tippers

I'll agree with that, however, then they'd have to balance out the hilt too since it does the least amount of damage. Personally, I thin his speed is good, Marth of all people should be albe to completely pwn Ike... because.. he's Marth... but yeah...

 

[Chaosblade77]

I think Marth would be very, VERY balanced without his tipping strength, or at least if it was drastically reduced.

That alone would make it a bit harder to get a KO without a lengthy combo and a dair, but from what I understand, those are easier to recover from now. Even so, I think with the new physics engine and less power+ knockback on the tipping, he would be balanced.

 

[GenG]

The tippers are what make Marth unbalanced. They should make the tip stronger yes, but not to that extent. Marth should be a low power character.

Then, his grab. He has a ****ing invisible grappling beam there.

 

[Zevox]

Marth of all people should be albe to completely pwn Ike... because.. he's Marth... but yeah...

If the reports from E for All are true, most characters will be able to walk all over Ike in singles matches. Being slower and laggier than Bowser is one heck of a drawback. You just have to make sure he doesn't catch you with one of his strong attacks.

Zevox

 

[Okysho]

The tippers are what make Marth unbalanced. They should make the tip stronger yes, but not to that extent. Marth should be a low power character.

Then, his grab. He has a ****ing invisible grappling beam there.

I'm gonna be honest here, I never really valued Marth's grab... I found the range to be short and the damage to be minimal...

f the reports from E for All are true, most characters will be able to walk all over Ike in singles matches. Being slower and laggier than Bowser is one heck of a drawback. You just have to make sure he doesn't catch you with one of his strong attacks.

I have to admit, I haven't seen a lot of E for all data, but meant that since Marth is technically a nintendo "All Star" Than he should have some sort of privilege over Ike... Kinda like Mario does over everyone else... (i.e.his godly final smash, which engulfs the stage, killing all, but loses nothing from performing the attack, [which is what makes ZZS fair, since you have to adapt to the new character]) If you get what I mean

 

[Okysho]

I'm so sorry to be double posting again, but I JUST saw this mornings dojo update only to discover that Lucas pretty much IS Ness... This complicates the Ness/Lucas debate so much since they're moves are so similar to each other. Having said this, the could mean that Ness might actually be eliminated from the roster. Since Marth is stuck in a similar situation, i.e. Ike released before Marth, rumors that Ike is replacing Marth ect. I'm starting to think that this might actually be true!
But Sakurai wouldn't do that would he?
Someone here's got to give me some sort of support! I'm really parinoid... I'm gonna like... hold my breath all day!

 

[silver777]

I'm so sorry to be double posting again, but I JUST saw this mornings dojo update only to discover that Lucas pretty much IS Ness... This complicates the Ness/Lucas debate so much since they're moves are so similar to each other. Having said this, the could mean that Ness might actually be eliminated from the roster. Since Marth is stuck in a similar situation, i.e. Ike released before Marth, rumors that Ike is replacing Marth ect. I'm starting to think that this might actually be true!
But Sakurai wouldn't do that would he?
Someone here's got to give me some sort of support! I'm really parinoid... I'm gonna like... hold my breath all day!

In some fighting games, they(developers) usually remove characters to be able to add newcomers in their place.

The removed characters are usually the least famous ones, this isn't the case with Marth, he is freakin popular.

 

[GenG]

The Ness - Lucas case is different.

Ness and Lucas are very similar in the games, as pointed in the update, and they learn the same spells and have similar stats. Lucas is just an upgraded Ness, he is better in every sense.

However, Sakurai has pointed that Ike is slow, has different normal and special moves from Marth. Ike is not a replacement, but a new addition. Marth is still there.

 

[Zevox]

I'm so sorry to be double posting again, but I JUST saw this mornings dojo update only to discover that Lucas pretty much IS Ness... This complicates the Ness/Lucas debate so much since they're moves are so similar to each other. Having said this, the could mean that Ness might actually be eliminated from the roster. Since Marth is stuck in a similar situation, i.e. Ike released before Marth, rumors that Ike is replacing Marth ect. I'm starting to think that this might actually be true!
But Sakurai wouldn't do that would he?
Someone here's got to give me some sort of support! I'm really parinoid... I'm gonna like... hold my breath all day!

Try reading the part of the first post of the thread about the "Ike is replacing Marth" argument. Unlike Lucas and Ness, Ike's similarities to Marth are very, very few - the only special move they have in common is counter (which is a pretty generic special move that could be given to any FE swordsman), and they have exactly two normal moves that are similar. Beyond that, they're nothing alike - heck, Ike has more similarities to Link than he does to Marth. As I said in the first post, its almost like they were deliberately trying to make Ike different from Marth.

Plus we both know that in terms of their role in the series, Ike could never replace Marth. Hes a great Roy replacement, having more importance and popularity than he did, but Marth's history with and importance to the series outshines his.

Besides, we also know from the old Melee site that Sakurai never intended for Ness to be in the game, and that he only used him because Lucas' game got delayed so much. So with Lucas and Ness, Sakurai is just doing now what he always intended to do before. Obviously, theres no parallel there with Marth, who got in purely on his own merits.

Zevox

 

[Doodx]

Marth is IMPOSSIBLE to be removed too popular and lucas and ness have same moves but not ike and marth they are kinda the opposite ike slow marth fast
ike hit u u go to hell but its hard to hit u
marth hit u u get some knockback but its very easy to hit
lucas and ness have almost exacly the same moves except they look a bit different
also i got a new final smash for marth
marth summons fire emblem and burns enemy alot and while enemy is in fire(distracts them) marth does like what roy used to do with his one hit ko but with light and if an enemy is close he also gets hit by the beams of the sword (kinda like metaknight) but people can dodge the beams its a bit like the other smashes mentioned but a bit mixed together

 

[NukeA6]

Marth is about to appear in three games as the MAIN character. Ness only starred in one

Spoiler

and is a cameo in the other

.

No worries needed.

 

[person701]

I'm so sorry to be double posting again, but I JUST saw this mornings dojo update only to discover that Lucas pretty much IS Ness... This complicates the Ness/Lucas debate so much since they're moves are so similar to each other. Having said this, the could mean that Ness might actually be eliminated from the roster. Since Marth is stuck in a similar situation, i.e. Ike released before Marth, rumors that Ike is replacing Marth ect. I'm starting to think that this might actually be true!
But Sakurai wouldn't do that would he?
Someone here's got to give me some sort of support! I'm really parinoid... I'm gonna like... hold my breath all day!

I will never be convinced that Ike will replace Marth.

Marth is IMPOSSIBLE to be removed too popular and lucas and ness have same moves but not ike and marth they are kinda the opposite ike slow marth fast
ike hit u u go to hell but its hard to hit u
marth hit u u get some knockback but its very easy to hit
lucas and ness have almost exacly the same moves except they look a bit different
also i got a new final smash for marth
marth summons fire emblem and burns enemy alot and while enemy is in fire(distracts them) marth does like what roy used to do with his one hit ko but with light and if an enemy is close he also gets hit by the beams of the sword (kinda like metaknight) but people can dodge the beams its a bit like the other smashes mentioned but a bit mixed together

Good final smash! Sounds interresting and a tad hard to dodge.

Marth is about to appear in three games as the MAIN character. Ness only starred in one

Spoiler

and is a cameo in the other

.

No worries needed.

Good point there. That strengthens Marth's chances for return!

 

[Roy-Kun]

Try reading the part of the first post of the thread about the "Ike is replacing Marth" argument. Unlike Lucas and Ness, Ike's similarities to Marth are very, very few - the only special move they have in common is counter (which is a pretty generic special move that could be given to any FE swordsman), and they have exactly two normal moves that are similar. Beyond that, they're nothing alike - heck, Ike has more similarities to Link than he does to Marth. As I said in the first post, its almost like they were deliberately trying to make Ike different from Marth.

Plus we both know that in terms of their role in the series, Ike could never replace Marth. Hes a great Roy replacement, having more importance and popularity than he did, but Marth's history with and importance to the series outshines his.

Besides, we also know from the old Melee site that Sakurai never intended for Ness to be in the game, and that he only used him because Lucas' game got delayed so much. So with Lucas and Ness, Sakurai is just doing now what he always intended to do before. Obviously, theres no parallel there with Marth, who got in purely on his own merits.

Zevox

I hate to admit it, but I agree with you, =/

But popularity? I sort of doubt it, sort of.

Lucas was indeed supposed to be in Melee, and with that in here it made me think: Pit was supposed to be in the SSB64, but Jigglypuff took his spot, will Pit now reeplace Jigglypuff since that Pokémon hasn't done any more cameos in the only thing that made it popular: the Pokémon animé?

 

[Okysho]

Try reading the part of the first post of the thread about the "Ike is replacing Marth" argument. Unlike Lucas and Ness, Ike's similarities to Marth are very, very few - the only special move they have in common is counter (which is a pretty generic special move that could be given to any FE swordsman), and they have exactly two normal moves that are similar. Beyond that, they're nothing alike - heck, Ike has more similarities to Link than he does to Marth. As I said in the first post, its almost like they were deliberately trying to make Ike different from Marth.

Plus we both know that in terms of their role in the series, Ike could never replace Marth. Hes a great Roy replacement, having more importance and popularity than he did, but Marth's history with and importance to the series outshines his.

Besides, we also know from the old Melee site that Sakurai never intended for Ness to be in the game, and that he only used him because Lucas' game got delayed so much. So with Lucas and Ness, Sakurai is just doing now what he always intended to do before. Obviously, theres no parallel there with Marth, who got in purely on his own merits.

Zevox

Gah! You're right as always.... sorry, paranoid because people kept lumping Ness and Marth together in the same category... It should have occurred to me beforehand that Sakurai had said that he never liked ness and wasnted Lucas in Melee, but since Mother 3 was delayed, Lucas never appeared...

 

[Mar~]

Gooood topic! and good arguments ;D

Yeah, Marth must return! he can't be absent.

Dew!

 

[silver777]

I hate to admit it, but I agree with you, =/

But popularity? I sort of doubt it, sort of.

Lucas was indeed supposed to be in Melee, and with that in here it made me think: Pit was supposed to be in the SSB64, but Jigglypuff took his spot, will Pit now reeplace Jigglypuff since that Pokémon hasn't done any more cameos in the only thing that made it popular: the Pokémon animé?

Lucas was indeed supposed to replace Ness in melee, SAKURAI SAID SO IN THE MELEE SITE, but Pit was never ment to replace Jegglipuff in 64. It is a rumor.

 

[Okysho]

Lucas was indeed supposed to replace Ness in melee, SAKURAI SAID SO IN THE MELEE SITE, but Pit was never ment to replace Jegglipuff in 64. It is a rumor.

I've never heard anything about Pit replaceing anybody! Just because Sakurai said that he wanted to eliminate a few characters doesn't mean that every single one is potentially going to be removed! As a matter of fact it almost says that most chracters are going to be inn because of their original movesets! It pretty much says that only clones will end up being removed! With the acception of Ganondorf because everyone knows he was rushed for the fans and his demands to be re-vamped are SO incredibly high

 

[silver777]

bumped for great justice.

because all your base are belong to Marth.

 

[T-major]

hey. the field sprite shows Marth with the shield, but the battle sprite doesn't....


....


OMG!!! FIRE EMBLEM'S CONTINUITY FAILS!!!!

 

[Chaosblade77]

The tippers are what make Marth unbalanced. They should make the tip stronger yes, but not to that extent. Marth should be a low power character.

Then, his grab. He has a ****ing invisible grappling beam there.

How could I forget the grab? Gah. Anyway, I am sure those will be the only two real changes to Marth. Reducing his range would drastically weaken him, as his attacks (with weakened tippers) would do little damage, relatively, and make him very difficult to play with as he would have to be even closer to his opponent to do the damage.

I'm so sorry to be double posting again, but I JUST saw this mornings dojo update only to discover that Lucas pretty much IS Ness... This complicates the Ness/Lucas debate so much since they're moves are so similar to each other. Having said this, the could mean that Ness might actually be eliminated from the roster. Since Marth is stuck in a similar situation, i.e. Ike released before Marth, rumors that Ike is replacing Marth ect. I'm starting to think that this might actually be true!
But Sakurai wouldn't do that would he?
Someone here's got to give me some sort of support! I'm really parinoid... I'm gonna like... hold my breath all day!

Ike will not replace Marth. If Marth is not in Brawl due to being replaced by Ike, I will eat my shoe, no wait, I will eat both of my shoes. I will even video it and put it on youtube.

The only reason Marth would not be in is by being replaced by a second FE character other than Ike, but I doubt we will see that.

 

[silver777]

hey. the field sprite shows Marth with the shield, but the battle sprite doesn't....


....


OMG!!! FIRE EMBLEM'S CONTINUITY FAILS!!!!

LMAO!!!

 

[NukeA6]

Lucas was indeed supposed to replace Ness in melee, SAKURAI SAID SO IN THE MELEE SITE, but Pit was never ment to replace Jegglipuff in 64. It is a rumor.

Just a rumor, huh? Have you seen Jigglypuff fly before Smash Bros? Pit was supposed to be in the game but because of Pokemon's popularity (which was at its peak during those days), Jigglypuff was added.

I'm not saying Pit is replacing Jigglypuff in Brawl.

 

[Okysho]

bumped for great justice.

because all your base are belong to Marth.

Marth's attacks with an iron/steel/silver sword are actually different, the one used there is the animations with teh Rapier only. Also, those sprites are incomplete. After you get the Fire emblem in ch 5 the battle animation start showing the shield also

 

[axemangx]

This has turned into not a Marth discussion, but a FE discussion.
I should get Mic.

 

[Okysho]

This has turned into not a Marth discussion, but a FE discussion.
I should get Mic.

heh noob! why don't you just leave instead of comming around here like an idiot with your useless attempts to bring down this thread?

 

[axemangx]

Who says I was?

I'm simply asking for the spam to stop so this doesnt get closed.

The "Mic" thing was asking was a joke in order for you to stop the spam.

Duh.

 

[NukeA6]

Who says I was?

I'm simply asking for the spam to stop so this doesnt get closed.

The "Mic" thing was asking was a joke in order for you to stop the spam.

Duh.

Quit being blind and ********. We are talking about Marth. Notice the Marth sprites?

 

[Okysho]

not only that, but Marth has EVERYTHING to do with Fire Emblem... so.... yeah... WTF are you talking about? absolutely everything in this thread is related to Marth or SSBB in some way....