Hello.
I decided to drop Ryu after getting smoked at SCR Saga against a Corrin and a Falcon. During these matches I didn't feel in control of the situations I found myself in.
I think I'm looking for a character with a usable projectile (Hadoukens don't count), a decent kill throw, strong mixup options and good KO power. Complexity isn't really a deterrence for me. I dabbled in Peach and enjoy her style, but gave her a break to focus on Ryu a while ago. Do you guys think Peach would be a good option for me? Or do you guys have suggestions? *I won't play ZSS because I don't enjoy her playstyle
Normally I would treat this as a knee-jerk reaction to getting bodied and wouldn't respond, but I remember you mentioning that you were considering dropping Ryu in the past, so if you're serious about this then here's my take.
Play who you want, and yeah it sounds like you could get a lot out of Peach (especially if you like the character) but I read this and the one character that screamed out to me was Mewtwo.
-Controls the pace excellently with his neutral. He's got some excellent mobility to set the pace (good initial dash and dash speed, good air speed, good walk speed, good perfect pivot) He's got moves like D-tilt and f-air, both of which most characters struggle to challenge, SBall which commands respect and Confusion is low-key one of the best moves in the game and forces very specific situations such as forcing them to use their double jump, punishing dash to shield and so on.
He just has one of the best neutrals in the game and if you want to feel in control, there's nothing quite like that.
-SBall is one of the best projectiles in the game with a ton of applications.
-Strong mixup potential, especially out of airdodge, but not limited to that of course.
-Mewtwo up throw is arguably the best kill throw in the game.
-He's got more kill power than he knows what to do with.
His advantage state is also pretty crazy when it comes to forcing 50/50s and the like. If you're good at these mindgame concepts like 50/50s and yomi, there is a lot to love in Mewtwo because he rewards it greatly.
You may not like Mewtwo, fair enough, but if you're serious about dropping Ryu consider giving him a go and see if he clicks.
Apart from that, then yeah sounds like you could get a lot of mileage out of Peach too. Especially if you enjoy her.
I'm back and had practice. so here's my situation:
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Who can cover all, if not most of those MU's?
OK so here's my take, and you may not like what I've got to say but hear me out anyway.
My suggestion is stick with either Roy or Diddy, don't bother learning anyone else alongside them unless that character is Ike - I'll explain why Ike later.
The problem here is nothing to do with your characters. In fact I think you realise that yourself - hence your wording "I struggle with".
There are two reasons I can think of as to why this might be the case. Number one, you don't understand your options, and the options of these problem characters, fully. Number two, your fundamentals need more work.
Picking up a new character for these four matchups will not help you with either of these things. In fact, it will do the exact opposite, especially if the character you decide to pick up is one as complicated as Zero Suit Samus or Fox. These characters take a ludicrous amount of time invested to actually be good with, even if you're the best player in the game. And with the greatest respect, as someone who appears to change characters about as often as you brush your teeth, I do not think that picking up either of these two is right for you, unless you are going to commit to that one character and give them the time and focus they demand in order to be able to apply them to win the matchups you want them to.
Instead, here is what I suggest. There are two options.
Option 1: stick the characters you already have a solid grasp of since you've been playing them for a while, and grind out the fundamentals of Smash 4 whilst learning your character's options and how to apply them in greater depth. The two go hand in hand - knowing your options allows for improved split-second decision making and forward planning - fundamental skills for every Smash (and fighting) game, not just Smash 4. Hell, they're even fundamental skills of life.
Once you have done this, you will find that you will be able to circumvent the vast majority of players of these characters, only stumbling at the players that are more experienced than yourself, even with the characters you are currently using, despite the trouble now.
Option two: Ike.
So we've already established that we need to work on your option awareness and fundamentals. Ike is perfect for this for a number of reasons.
Reason 1 - he is a blank slate. He will make any habits you've carried over from other characters immediately obvious.
Reason 2 - Ike is not an option rich character. He has only the fundamental options he needs to deal with situations, but the options he does have are perfectly viable. This will make it easier to learn your options and how to apply them.
Reason 3 - Ike demands good fundamentals or you will not win. Although Ike does have strong options, they are only strong if your fundamentals are strong. Ike is the most brutally honest character in the game. How good or bad you are at Smash 4 will be reflected perfectly in Ike.
Reasons 2 and 3 sum up why low tier mains are able to perform well at large tournaments - they're smart as **** and are better at the game than people who only get results with better characters because playing a lesser character has forced them to be.
By learning and getting good with Ike, you will be able to rectify two problems with your play that are giving you issues with the four characters you mentioned in your post - option awareness and fundamentals (and by extension of the two, your informed decision making will improve massively and you'll start making the correct decision much more often.)
When you start winning consistently with Ike, you know you are good at this game.
Obviously though you do have to actually learn how to play Ike for this strategy to be effective. I strongly recommend you visit the Ike Boards on this website, or the Ike Discord (find it on Smashcords). As a bonus, good Ike players tend to be
really good at Smash 4 for the reasons above so they can help you with learning the game as well.
Everything you can learn from Ike is transferable to most other characters in this game.
If you take one, or both, of these action plans, you will become far better at the game and these characters will become trivial in the hands of most players. You will still struggle with players of these characters who are just better than you, but when you are at this stage, this is player vs player matchup, not character vs character matchup or player vs character (which is your issue now I reckon).
Be patient with this and you will notice the difference.
Good luck, and keep at it.
