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Practice your aerials. Quick Attack is not even close to all Pikachu has to offer, in fact when I play Pikachu I almost never use it. Also practice grabs like crazy, because most of Pikachu's moves have a higher success rate when comboed out of a throw.
, but my best match all night was an 8-player FFA on Big Battlefield- as , a counterpick I picked up just this week. As much as I become more and more convinced that I've finally decided I'm a main, I keep looking at all of these other "counterpick characters" I keep picking up with a constant feeling that I should narrow down my roster. I'm really indecisive- what should I do?, , , and . I prefer medium speed characters with unique properties, combos that don't center around grab, and an all-around moveset.)
Hmm, a big character with a patient style, who zones a bit, solid neutral? Try King Dedede. People can get very patient with him, since he can bait out people who approach him with a nair or back-air (on that note, he's really good in the air), his up-air goes through almost anything, and gordos make for a decent projectile when played right.I've just started playing Smash. My only other experience has been a few games on Melee a LONG time ago.
Leaning on my experience from other fighting games I usually tend to sway toward bigger characters as I'm not really interested in speed and having to use shedloads of technical inputs. Especially when I'm new to something.
The character I've used most so far is Bowser Jr. As the clown car brings back fond SMW memories.
Back on SF4 I was incredibly rushdown-oriented whereas now I much prefer patient play and a solid footsies game utilising fundamentals and such. Moreso with me using the Wii U GamePad.
With that in mind, are their any characters suited to this style of play? I'm not bothered about tiers as I'm only going to be playing online. I'm more about fun.
Basically:
- Big Character
- Patient, somewhat methodical playstyle
- Zoner
- Solid neutral
- A nice starter for a newbie to get to grips with
Doesn't HAVE to be all of the above. It's just a general idea.
Thanks in advance for any replies
and maybe more. Any other ideas anyone?
Sounds like Mario fits the bill as well. He's also very easy and effective, so he comes highly recommended. Fox too.You need an all around character, with not much projectile focus, a reliable grab, at least decent speed, and moderate range and power? Ok, I'll try and put a few down.
, because they both are my favorite video game characters. Mario being my true main, and Sonic being my other main that also acts as a counterpick character to help cover Mario's bad MUs. Now I'm at my last step: I try to find one more character. Basically, a fun secondary. I have a few questions: What is a fun secondary? What are the most important concepts that I have consider when choosing a fun secondary? How should I proceed to find that fun secondary? Here's what I did and tell me if it's right:left (I plan to add more DLC characters in the list if I find them fun or not such as).was my secondary back in 64 and he's awesome.is the closest characters to, but Shulk has more versatility. Finally,was my secondary back in Melee, and I love his differences as opposed to Mario.and my fun secondary)? I heard that foris okay due to their similarity, but not sure for. Is it okay if I have along withand my fun secondary? I appreciate if someone can answer those questions, because I want to get this thing done with finding characters. I'm just tired of switching constantly.I mean there's no right or wrong way to play the game. If that's your criteria for choosing a secondary and you feel it works for you, then by all means continue doing what you're doing. You've already chosen two pretty viable characters to put time into (Mario and Sonic) so that should cover most or all of your bases as far as matchups go so I don't think you should hold back if your fun secondary happens to be a low tier.Hi guys,
So after struggling for a year to find another main, I feel I get really close to the right answer. Right now, I main
Also, is it wrong if I have 4 characters (2 mains and 2 secondaries), but two of them are considered clones (in my case,
- My mindset for finding a fun secondary character wasn't as strict as finding a main character. Basically, I try to go for characters that don't necessarily fit my playstyle, but I find them fun to play or because I like them as characters. Of course, I have to see if I feel comfortable with the character or not.
- First, I list characters that I like as a character, characters that I have played their games or simply they are cool.
- Next, I try to look for characters that I feel great reward when playing as them and characters that are not boring.
- After all this exploration, I have
- I try them and I enjoyed them all equally, and I'm stuck now! What should I do next (I need help for that)? I don't expect to find a fun secondary anytime soon, because I want to wait for every DLC character to be released in order to make my final decision. I just want to get the steps, so that I can get this done over with finding mains and secondaries.
Good question. Personally, I don't really have criteria for what constitutes a 'fun' secondary. I just **** around at friendlies with random characters until I find what feels right. If I play a couple games with a character and I'm just not feeling that character, I won't play it. Character aesthetics, feel, and reward are all things that go into it but I prefer to focus on feeling things out more than anything else. That's just me though. Do what works for you.
Yeah. I already chosen my mains (
), but I just wanted to pick a fun secondary just to have the fun factor. I won't pick this character in tournaments, but I just want to have fun. For my secondary, I really don't care if he's low-tier. So yeah, I'm now struggling between. But do you know anything about Doc and Mario? If you do, is it all right if I main them together even if they have a different playstyle with same moveset? The Mario boards said that Mario and Doc are considered different enough to be considered as two different playstyles even if they have almost the same moveset. Thanks btw.
I've played all of about one game as Mario and none as Doc since launch but purely going off of this and this, I can tell you that the characters are pretty different. It's fine to main them together if that's what you want to do but I don't think they are nearly as similar as Pit and Dark Pit. Doc just doesn't move as fast and has a different Dthrow. That should change the way you approach each character, as far as I can tell.Yeah. I already chosen my mains (
For the fun secondary, I just want to pick one character that I can do some great competitive things with him, while not necessarily win tournaments with him. Like maybe mid-tier low-tier types of tournaments.
Okay. Thank you! I'm asking this, because if they are truly different with status of clones, I just prefer picking another character than just pick Doc, because it will kinda feel boring to play two different versions of the same character. Okay, now I'll just choose between
, and I'll wait for other DLC characters to come in order to make my final decision.
. You should probably stick with him as a fun character. He's great to play casually, especially if you can surprise your friends with tipper skill. at the counterpick level, and don't want 4 counterpicks to worry about. My playstyle is well-rounded with a focus on smash attack placement and combos that don't rely on grab.
Thanks for the advice, but I don't really likeSounds like you really like
Meanwhile, my question remains unanswered. Reminder- I need to narrow down my list of counterpicks. I play
as much as the previous games, because his moves feel so unsafe. Plus, his sword isn't that big, and I feel that he has less range compared to the rest of the cast. I just wanted to pick someone that plays like Marth or someone totally different. It's a nice change of pace for me to try out other characters. I still play him, but more for fun. As for your counterpicks, the closest character that I can see between the four is, because Duck Hunt doesn't have to rely on grabs too much for combos. However, setting up combos with his cans are very complicated to do, but pretty rewarding. Also, his smash attacks are decent since they have enough power and range to cover some space. Be careful of endlag however.
Some thoughts:Sounds like you really like
Meanwhile, my question remains unanswered. Reminder- I need to narrow down my list of counterpicks. I play
has absurdly good frame data on his smashes but is very grab reliant. This is a pretty good thing tbh but if he's not your slice of pie, don't sweat it. He should also have a good time against characters like Pikachu and Fox, dunno how true that is post patch. has a strong forward smash with virtually no ending lag, making it a great baiting tool. His other smashes are also very fast. He can set up his big combo with or without a grab. Dash attack is king. He's also easily the best of the 4 you have listed. is actually both difficult and pretty bad, and his smash attacks are horrendous. I can certainly see him being a nice counter pick for certain characters/play styles, but meh. suits your spacing style, and his range is actually longer on a number of moves than in prior games. Also not a very good character, but has a few key decent matchups (Rosalina, Ness, maybe Mario?). Up to you, really. Sounds like you aren't sold on him, though.
, , or (If she even qualifies). Because I played him since the demo, because I prefer this one to Brawl's and Because the buffs legitimately made her more fun.
is probably your best bet, he makes a great counterpick. Other good choices (not including those listed above) are , , and . isn't all projectiles and zoning, mostly time management with the Deep Breathing and mixups with the aerial hitboxes. is almost all projectiles, but not as much zoning. isn't exactly projectiles, but is an effective zoner. Your main is listed as , decide through their coverage of his weaknesses.
I don't play muchSo, small dilemma. I'm trying to decide on a projectile zoning character between
at all, but I can tell you she isn't the projectile zoning character you're looking for. Her projectiles are slow and other characters do it much better. Between and depends if you want to be more offensive or defensive. tends to use his projectiles to create openings he can later go in on, while revolves around racking up damage from a range and only going in for a kill.
Forgive me, but this is a little inaccurate. ^_^ That is not all Olimar does, as he has a pretty decent combo game, one of the fastest fsmashes in the game and decently fast dsmash. His aerials are also above average, and his throws are good, his dthrow leading to a fair, nair, or uair on low to mid-percentages on decently heavy characters. His dtilt also leads to good aerial setups, more dtilts or at least catching them in a utilt. So just saying, he doesn't just sit there and throw Pikmin and go for the up throw. He's a lot more versatile than that. You're underestimating him. No harm done, just clarifying.while
and I'm looking to add for casual play, yes, but I want to be sufficiently effective with him, so I'll be spending smash time labbing him as well. My question is, who should I stop spending so much time with?While I used to be able to play Villager way above average, around a step below competitive level, and a battle used to be an exhilarating experience with them, I've recently found my Villager to be a bit out of shape, and underused. I'm having a little difficulty being as good with them as I used to be. It might be solely because of the under use, though. I haven't spent a good amount of time with them in a couple of months. However, I still greatly enjoy battling with them, despite my rustiness.Recently picked up, never played him in a Smash game before 4. Somehow he feels so right for me. I don't understand it, but I can time and space with his projectiles and aerials like I'd been playing with him for a lot longer than I have. I know where to shorthop to shoot an arrow, or when and how high to throw a bomb that'll hit an offstage opponent, and I don't need to think about it. I just know, usually. I know where the boomerang should be angled to go to hit my opponent because I know my opponent is going to go there. This leads me to believe I'm just good at reading with him, (not that people on FG are super hard to read) though it doesn't explain how I know his tools so well. Confuses me.Picked up after playing Brawlimar. Really took a liking to him as a character. He has good options and he isn't hard to play as for me. I like being safe with him, something easy to do, though my biggest weakness is maintaining stage control, as he can be knocked offstage with just one lucky shot, and then the opponent tends to have the advantage until I get back on stage (a lot more so with reflector characters). I can play and adapt with him well, and I feel myself growing as I do play him. Overall he's very comfortable for me.My loyal main through all Smash games. I like him a lot in Smash 4, though not as much as in 64. His combo game is as good as ever, if not better. He has a lot of options with his variety of moves, or he can simply be played as a rushdown combo character, focusing on grabs and dtilt starters early on. His air mobility is great, and he can juggle with aerial combos for a decent amount of time, it's also easy to bait airdodges out of someone with him, obviously. His ledge guarding is great, and then you throw in his copy abilities which can really change the game. I'm good at him, I love him as my favorite video game character, but I also feel.. a little bored with him. Just, not into him as much as a Smash character.
to the casual zone. Sounds like you're unconfident in your abilities there, despite listing him as your current main. has main potential, from what you say. Link has very few devoted players, but shows potential as a defensive middleweight. Try improving on those skills, and you could get some good results. is a good counterpick since his biggest weakness is generally matchups. It seems you have a good understanding of what he's really about., don't be afraid to drop him from main status. Have him as a niche character for when you really don't know who to play, but want to remain consistent.
Ryu is a great character if you know how to play him, but you have to understand how to use his "true" inputs, how to play the neutral, how to chain combos together and how to effectively mix up his options. He's very scary in the right hands, but he can be a bit tricky to get used to if you haven't played him before or don't have experience with traditional fighters.
In that case, I think you may want to keep practicing with Villager, even just to see if you can get over your frustrations with how easy he is to punish.
These are some characters that can be played with a very aggressive, offensive style that he may want to try out:
First off, you might want to use this thread if you want advice on finding a main. You'd have a better chance of getting a good response there.
I asked him about it, and he said that his favorite Nintendo games would be the Legend of Zelda games. Link's okay, he's already tried Toon Link and he plays a little Ganondorf, Zelda is... Zelda, so the only character that I think would be a good match would be Sheik. I don't know if he'd like her, though. I'll have to ask him about it.
Well you definitely don't have to worry about edgeguarding if you're Sheik, ha ha~
