The Lycia Alliance: Roy Legacy Support Thread

[Croph]

Well, Eliwood is awesome. nuff said.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Everyone, not just you and Star, were complaining about those, dozens of posters quit the site for several weeks because of those endless arguments alone.

I know, it's just that me and Star were the more "extreme" people you could say. Mainly due to the opinion that Marth was the only thing worth talking about and us not caring about what goes on with the series.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I don't think Eliwood is similar to Marth at all. If there is a lord he is similar to it would be Celice (starts on foot, gains a horse and the ability to use lances on promotion).

Yeah, you're right. Haven't really played FE4, so I was afraid of bringing up Celice, but yeah, he's honestly the most similar to Eliwood.

Eliwood is certainly much more of the main character in FE7 than Lyn, and is regarded as a better unit overall than her. I can definitely understand why Hector is far more popular than Eliwood though. He is easily had the most discernible (or perhaps distinguishable personality) of any lord up until that point, has character development, is a great unit (among the best in that game), uses an unique weapon type, and could be argued to be the main character of that game alongside Eliwood.

I wasn't really talking about story role or capabilities. Lyn is basically the Lord equivalent of a Myrmidion/Swordmaster crossed with an Archer, and Hector is an Axe wielding Lord(still something of a rarity). Meanwhile, Eliwood is just your standard fencing sword wielding Lord. Not saying he's a bad character, just that I see why he tends to be overlooked.

Edit: Though I will say that if Eliwood showed up in Smash wielding Durandal that would be f***ing amazing.

 

[---]

I know, it's just that me and Star were the more "extreme" people you could say. Mainly due to the opinion that Marth was the only thing worth talking about and us not caring about what goes on with the series.

Probably was wrong of me to say just you & Star (definitely are vocal though ), anyway maybe it because I'm an FE fanboy that I have a bone to pick with your complaints at points, but I'd be lying to myself if I wasn't sick of FE discussions sometimes too.

I won't lie though, the Impa stuff was a LOT worse than what's currently going on now.

 

[ChronoBound]

Meanwhile, Eliwood is just your standard fencing sword wielding Lord. Not saying he's a bad character, just that I see why he tends to be overlooked.

Yeah, I do understand why Eliwood is overlooked. He is severely underrated as an unit though (as I said earlier though, the consensus among avid players for FE7 is that as an unit he is better than Lyn, and is debateably better than even Hector on Hector Mode since he can promote earlier).

I also liked Eliwood for his personality and character development. I also thought his love story with Ninian was tragic (she decided to leave dragonkind forever to have a brief life together with Eliwood). Dragons can lives for centuries, yet she chose a much shorter life (even shorter than that of a human) to just be with Eliwood.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Funny thought. Nergal can potentially be Roy's grandpa.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Funny thought. Nergal can potentially be Roy's grandpa.

Now that's one messed-up family. Thanksgiving must be awkward.

 

[GunBlaze]

Well, Eliwood is awesome. nuff said.

I died XD

 

[ChronoBound]

The other thing I liked about Eliwood was the hardships he had to overcome. He spent the first 1/3 of his adventure trying to find his father, when he finally finds him he dies a short time later. Later on, he ends up unknowingly killing the woman he loves. Finally, he knows that although Ninian chose to spend a life together with him, her time with him will be short, and probably a few years after the game he loses his wife and one true love and has to raise Roy himself. Definitely among the most tragic lords in the series.

 

[Croph]

Eliwood's a good father. If they do make a FE6 remake or in conjection with FE7, I'd love to see more father and son interactions. Y'know, put some focus on their relationship.

 

[Deleted member]

Wow, fantastic post there Chrono. This post really does go into why I can see your such fervent dedication towards Ridley and Roy being the next Smash game.

I'll be making sure to support Roy until the very end.

 

[Diddy Kong]

--- do you mean the Impa debates where worse than all the Fire Emblem debates we had? Cause then I'd digress. People just took the Impa debates badly, cause nobody wanged to see the oppertunity we had. I'm glad to say that nowadays, Impa seems as she's one of the most popular, if not THE most popular choice for a Zelda newcomer. So I guess it's all good in the end.

Eliwood is auite a tragic character indeed how Chrono described him. I liked his character quite a lot, yet his stats always let me down in the game. But he's usually able to hold his own. You know what, I really wanna play both FE6 and FE7 now... And I also see the alikeness with Celice nowmthat it's mentoined. But I never bothered using lances as Celice, while I found them awesome on Eliwood.

 

[Roy-Kun]

The Fire Emblem fandom however doesn't seem to give a damn regarding a character's development in the game, but if the unit is useful or not. Call me blind, but I think that this is (fortunately) not the case in Awakening.

I'd just like to see more Lords who meet a tragic end, like Sigurd and Hector. And who is this Celice guy? I know Seliph, not Celice, what are you guys talking about? haha j/k

 

[the_savior21]

I really want roy back. I main mostly falco but roy and fox as well in melee so i want him back in the fray but i feel like Fire Emblem will get a villain before getting roy back. Hopefully they get both.

 

[Roy-Kun]

I wouldn't mind Johnny Young Bosh as Roy...And Spike Spencer as Marth. :D

Been reading a bit into the discussion, and I encountered this post.

I believe that if Roy were to be voiced in English -Marth has an English VA- I'd say that Yuri Lowenthal would do a fine job for him. His voice could work as a nice English counter-part for the tone that Jun Fukuyama uses to voice Roy in Melee.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'd just like to see more Lords who meet a tragic end, like Sigurd and Hector.

Someone doesn't like happy endings, I see. D:

 

[Roy-Kun]

Someone doesn't like happy endings, I see. D:

Haha. It just adds more to the drama, don't you think?

 

[ChronoBound]

I really want roy back. I main mostly falco but roy and fox as well in melee so i want him back in the fray but i feel like Fire Emblem will get a villain before getting roy back. Hopefully they get both.

Its extremely unlikely we will get a FE villain. The only FE villain to ever have even some support was the Black Knight, and his heyday is long gone.

Its good to have another Roy support on board though.

That being said, I really want social groups to start up again. Have they even given us a time table of when to expect them back up?

 

[bobadz]

I'd expect maybe June or july.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd expect maybe June or july.

I'm not sure why it's taking so long. Maybe it's just me, but I'm surprised they weren't here sooner.

Hoping that we'll get them sometimes in May so we can prepare for E3 2013 and the deluge of Roy detractors that will come.

 

[SmashShadow]

Since Roy is most likely going to show up in that FE X Shin Megami Tensei game he might see some new moves from that game right?

 

[FalKoopa]

Since Roy is most likely going to show up in that FE X Shin Megami Tensei game he might see some new moves from that game right?

Given that we have absolutely no info about that game, it's kinda hard to say. I guess it depends on how far SMTxFE is in development and whether they already have made Roy in that game.

 

[Croph]

Yeah, I'm not really sure as of now, but it would be cool if Roy gets new moves. Who knows.

Though it's probably not going to happen, would anyone like Prototype Roy as an alt costume?

Makes you wonder why they didn't stick to this look...I think it looks pretty cool anyway.

 

[FalKoopa]

That prototype costume looks cool.

 

[•Col•]

Yeah, I'm not really sure as of now, but it would be cool if Roy gets new moves. Who knows.

Though it's probably not going to happen, would anyone like Prototype Roy as an alt costume?

Makes you wonder why they didn't stick to this look...I think it looks pretty cool anyway.

Bling bling, yo.

Probably just wanted to make him look less ornamental or something. Even his Melee look was even made to look more decorative than his official design.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Given that we have absolutely no info about that game, it's kinda hard to say. I guess it depends on how far SMTxFE is in development and whether they already have made Roy in that game.

We know all of the Lords that are going to be in. Roy was included.

 

[GunBlaze]

Yeah, I'm not really sure as of now, but it would be cool if Roy gets new moves. Who knows.

Though it's probably not going to happen, would anyone like Prototype Roy as an alt costume?

Makes you wonder why they didn't stick to this look...I think it looks pretty cool anyway.

Mother of alternate designs

 

[Deleted member]

I gotta hand it to Chrono, he sure has worked hard to raise support for Roy.

I can't claim the same for my favorite characters, as I'm too damn lazy, hahahahaha.

Anyway, I've recently been thinking up of a moveset for Roy. Though maybe you guys'd be interested in seeing it. It'd be something somewhat inspired from my all-time favorite fighting game character, considering the two do bear SOME resemblances:

Of course, Roy will never be as cool as Sol, then again, not many people are, I mean the dude is based of Freddie Mercury after all, and his name is mother****ing SOL BADGUY! I mean, how more cool can you get?

Anyway, I'll try to get it posted soon. I also owe the Ashley thread their moveset which I still gotta finish...

 

[FlareHabanero]

I gotta hand it to Chrono, he sure has worked hard to raise support for Roy.

I can't claim the same for my favorite characters, as I'm too damn lazy, hahahahaha.

Well, it's kind of hard to talk about Roy in general considering he's pretty uninteresting. So give him props for at least trying, though he rarely talks from a game play prospective. Which bothers me because that's what matters in the end anyway.

Which reminds me, I bet most of you filthy casuals don't even know the in and outs of how Roy plays and are simply supporting Roy because of some sort of bandwagon like a bunch of sheep.

 

[FalKoopa]

No man, we are supporting for his ph1r3!

 

[Deleted member]

Well, it's kind of hard to talk about Roy in general considering he's pretty uninteresting. So give him props for at least trying, though he rarely talks from a game play prospective. Which bothers me because that's what matters in the end anyway.

Which reminds me, I bet most of you filthy casuals don't even know the in and outs of how Roy plays and are simply supporting Roy because of some sort of bandwagon like a bunch of sheep.

Well, I'm gonna admit, I never tried Roy out competitively. I only know he's focused around hitting with the middle of the blade, and his UpB is brutal. I found him too slow and clunky for my taste in fighters. The reason I never play heavyweights is because I can't adapt to such slow play easily. So far, Hakumen is the only slow character I like.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Actually Roy is hardly slow, but he's slower when compared to Marth.

Anyway, his metagame primarily focuses on a more ground based combat due to his faster falling speed and more awkward properties of his aerial attacks (especially his down aerial) making an aerial metagame more impractical. His faster falling speed gives him better SHHFL capabilities, but at the cost of giving him worse recovery capabilities.

What ultimately cripples Roy is, again, the hitboxes of his attacks. While Roy's attacks are technically stronger then Marth's, the hitboxes of the moves makes making kills more impractical then desired.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Make Roy look like his Awakening or original self, and I can tolerate Roy. Just... no Melee Roy. And I always wondered, WHY does Roy look so awkward in his K.O. animations? It's like his spine is broken or something...

 

[FalKoopa]

I just want them to get rid to the awkward sweetspot. That was the primary reason why I never thought of maining Roy. (To be fair, the only swordsman with whom I can play effectively is Ike. Marth/Roy's playstyle doesn't really suit me.)

 

[FlareHabanero]

And I always wondered, WHY does Roy look so awkward in his K.O. animations? It's like his spine is broken or something...

Roy having his animations borrowed from Marth does not help.

 

[Croph]

I'm interested in your moveset, Manly. I'm not that knowledgeable in fighting games (I only play a few), but I've always pictured Roy's fighting style similar to this:

A rushdown character, yet he can use fire projectiles and healing techniques. So, what I'm envisioning is a rushdown-type mage character, if I'm making any sense. Typically mages in fighting games are zoners, have lower defences, and can cast spells, correct? There are a few fighting games, however, that have in-your-face mages (non-zoners) who attack with their primary weapon (whether that'd be a sword, fists, etc.) but can also use magic to create projectiles and cast spells (healing, power-up, summoning, etc). I'm sure there must be a name for something like this...but I'm not sure. Anyway, Roy would hold his sword with two hands (since it's a broadsword) for powerful attacks similar to Ike.

Anyway, it's unlikely, but for some reason that's how I picture him...don't know why. Some sort of in-your-face fighter, perhaps good at combos as well, but can also use the magic of his sword.

 

[•Col•]

Well, it's kind of hard to talk about Roy in general considering he's pretty uninteresting. So give him props for at least trying, though he rarely talks from a game play prospective. Which bothers me because that's what matters in the end anyway.

From a gameplay perspective... I feel like he could pretty easily be made the most unique FE lord for the next Smash game. How? Make him more based around his special moves rather than just his normal attacks. Would make him stand out from Marth/Ike whereas pretty much all of their special moves (even Final Smashes) are just 'watch as I just swing my sword in a particular way to do an attack just in a slightly different way than my normal moves'. So here are just a few ideas that I came up with off the top of my head...

1. Make Side B his flame ranged attack the Sword of Seals has in FE6
2. Make his Down B Counter heal himself for 20% on activation (Nod to Sword of Seal's ability to heal for 20 hp in FE6). To balance it, you could give his Counter a much larger punishment window if you whiff a Counter so you can't just go around spamming that ability safely
3. For his neutral special, if you press B once then Roy points his sword to the air and it is engulfed in flames(Think Sword of Seals crit animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myDYUpIoasE ). You can either tap B again to do a quick, strong slash, or you can cancel it by rolling/jumping/shielding/whatever(Think Lucario's aura sphere) and the Sword of Seals will remain covered in flames until your next normal attack, giving it some unique PH1R3 properties/strength and whatnot.

If you're going by how he was in Melee, a previous smash game, well then yeah... Duh, he's not too great. But if we're talking about removing characters based on how good they are, let's just remove the entire Zelda series sans Toon Link for Smash 4 because of how they were in Brawl, lol.

 

[Deleted member]

From a gameplay perspective... I feel like he could pretty easily be made the most unique FE lord for the next Smash game. How? Make him more based around his special moves rather than just his normal attacks. Would make him stand out from Marth/Ike whereas pretty much all of their special moves (even Final Smashes) are just 'watch as I just swing my sword in a particular way to do an attack just in a slightly different way than my normal moves'. So here are just a few ideas that I came up with off the top of my head...

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

Roy can be made unique and very interesting, as he does have potential. However, considering how diverse the FE roster is, there is no was he can be the MOST unique. Not when you have Robin, RD Ike, Lyn and Ephriam as possible candidates. I don't need to say who my personal vote goes to (and I won't to avoid a ****storm).

But at the end of the day, Roy is still another Western Swordsman, even if he DOES have Fire based abilities. Robin uses Magic, Eph Lances, Ike Axes and his sword and Lyn a Katana, all of which can offer VERY interesting and unique strategies.

Take Eph for example, with his Lance he can be made an incredibly cool Mix Up character. Having both Solid offence and defence capabilities thanks to his superior range and great speed. He could have a lot of pokes that could open opportunities to lay the smack down. Think Kilik, but not annoying and wayyy more awesome.

Not saying Roy isn't interesting, just saying he's not THE most interesting. Likewise Marth is way more interesting than he's credited by people.

 

[ChronoBound]

Roy is the most interesting possible FE newcomer that is a probable contender for Smash 4, especially when you compare him to Chrom and especially Lucina.

I have a lot more to say in this topic, but I don't have the time right now.

Besides we have Bandanna Dee as a possible lance-user, and he is definitely next in line for Kirby while we could go up to six slots for FE and Ephraim probably still would not be able to make it in.

Secondly, I can only see Ike using an axe for one of his specials if he returns for Smash 4.

Spoiler

FE13 Roy can use axes too.

 

[Popsydoodles]

I'd say that Yuri Lowenthal would do a fine job for him. .

For the love of God please no! His voice is absolutely everywhere!