The Little Witch of Diamond City - Ashley - The Witch retreats. For now.

[Tony Duck]

The difference between the Wario and “Yoshi” franchise is that Yoshi is actually extremely connected to Mario’s games, while Land and especially Ware are their own thing.

 

[Captain Shades]

The difference between the Wario and “Yoshi” franchise is that Yoshi is actually extremely connected to Mario’s games, while Land and especially Ware are their own thing.

I get that, but the way Smash treats Wario is that it reinforces that Wario is a Mario character first.

Wario has his own franchises, so the more that can be done to separate the two, the better.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Bill Trenin’s comments on Smash have made me a little disappointed... I know closer to December is 1 minute from now, but I have a bit of a sinking feeling with regards to that... We’re already in such a news drought, and it seems like it might only get worse from here for a bit. And regardless of how many fighters we might get, not revealing any for a while is a good way for the community to get riled up in all sorts of ways, and just isn’t ideal.

Especially as Nintendo’s big game of the year, being quiet on it doesn’t seem conducive to anything...

I just really hope we have more than a couple newcomers and we get some info on at least a new character relatively soon.

 

[Noipoi]

Bill Trenin’s comments on Smash have made me a little disappointed... I know closer to December is 1 minute from now, but I have a bit of a sinking feeling with regards to that... We’re already in such a news drought, and it seems like it might only get worse from here for a bit. And regardless of how many fighters we might get, not revealing any for a while is a good way for the community to get riled up in all sorts of ways, and just isn’t ideal.

Especially as Nintendo’s big game of the year, being quiet on it doesn’t seem conducive to anything...

I just really hope we have more than a couple newcomers and we get some info on at least a new character relatively soon.

We'll probably get 1-2 characters per month. With five months remaining that would give us 10 newcomers.
We'll be fine.

 

[meleebrawler]

We'll probably get 1-2 characters per month. With five months remaining that would give us 10 newcomers.
We'll be fine.

And there's always characters announced after the game releases, for those who haven't unlocked them yet, like Jr. and Duck Hunt.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

Bill Trenin’s comments on Smash have made me a little disappointed... I know closer to December is 1 minute from now, but I have a bit of a sinking feeling with regards to that... We’re already in such a news drought, and it seems like it might only get worse from here for a bit. And regardless of how many fighters we might get, not revealing any for a while is a good way for the community to get riled up in all sorts of ways, and just isn’t ideal.

Especially as Nintendo’s big game of the year, being quiet on it doesn’t seem conducive to anything...

I just really hope we have more than a couple newcomers and we get some info on at least a new character relatively soon.

Well, like I said over in the Geno thread, it could be that he doesn't actually know if we'll be getting any new characters soon or not. I would imagine NoA gets their information slower and isn't keyed in at the source at all times. Though I will say, ever since Iwata passed (R.I.P.) I have been pretty disappointed in Nintendo's marketing. They seem like they're taking a step back in that regard, though maybe it's just me.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Bill Trenin’s comments on Smash have made me a little disappointed... I know closer to December is 1 minute from now, but I have a bit of a sinking feeling with regards to that... We’re already in such a news drought, and it seems like it might only get worse from here for a bit. And regardless of how many fighters we might get, not revealing any for a while is a good way for the community to get riled up in all sorts of ways, and just isn’t ideal.

Especially as Nintendo’s big game of the year, being quiet on it doesn’t seem conducive to anything...

I just really hope we have more than a couple newcomers and we get some info on at least a new character relatively soon.

Never take PR speak at face value unless there's a definite involved. Most of it is just hot air. It's Bill Trinen's job to give non-answers like that.

 

[meleebrawler]

Well, like I said over in the Geno thread, it could be that he doesn't actually know if we'll be getting any new characters soon or not. I would imagine NoA gets their information slower and isn't keyed in at the source at all times. Though I will say, ever since Iwata passed (R.I.P.) I have been pretty disappointed in Nintendo's marketing. They seem like they're taking a step back in that regard, though maybe it's just me.

Pretty sure the consensus is that the marketing for the Switch in general is far better than during the Wii U era. Unless you're referring to Directs being less amusing to watch.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

Well, I did say it could just be me.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Yeah, for all we know, we're getting a character tomorrow, and Bill wouldn't be wrong in his statememt, because tomorrow is closer to December than today is.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

What did bill say? also Smash tournament in 5 hours oofy, I thought it was tomorrow

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

What did bill say? also Smash tournament in 5 hours oofy, I thought it was tomorrow

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...with_nintendos_bill_trinen_and_nate_bihldorff

Are there plans to either announce characters between now and December or is the finalized, complete roster? Can we expect to see more at a later date?


Trinen: We can answer that when we get closer to December.

 

[Cabbagehead]

What did bill say? also Smash tournament in 5 hours oofy, I thought it was tomorrow

Yeah, I'm stoked about this tournament! Even if there isn't a new character (I have no expectations whatsoever), we get to see more gameplay, which is always exciting.

 

[The Eternal Penguin]

Just spent the last 6 hours reading the entire thread, and I regret nothing. I fully support Ashley being in Smash.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I definitely understand that Bill is basically guaranteed to be all PR speak, but still, I suppose the anxiety about this Smash is higher than past given how much work we’ve already seen. I mean good god, they’ve put a lot of work into this game with all the stages, characters, and tweaks.

10 characters just seems generous though, that’s a lot of additional characters to be adding to the roster in addition to all the work.

It’s primarily just a feeling, which to be fair, those aren’t always correct

 

[Space Detective]

Bill Trenin’s comments on Smash have made me a little disappointed... I know closer to December is 1 minute from now, but I have a bit of a sinking feeling with regards to that... We’re already in such a news drought, and it seems like it might only get worse from here for a bit. And regardless of how many fighters we might get, not revealing any for a while is a good way for the community to get riled up in all sorts of ways, and just isn’t ideal.

Especially as Nintendo’s big game of the year, being quiet on it doesn’t seem conducive to anything...

I just really hope we have more than a couple newcomers and we get some info on at least a new character relatively soon.

The way I look at it, there's three ways to interpret Bill's words:

1: It's a non-answer. Any day past today is closer to December than today. Whether this is because he wants to keep any upcoming reveals under wraps or because he just genuinely doesn't know is unknown.

2: Still a non-answer, but with the implication that we're not getting a reveal soon. One could argue that if we had a newcomer scheduled for this month, he would've hinted towards it.

3: Taking his words literally, to mean that we're not getting any reveals until much closer to release. I find this the most unlikely one, as I don't know why they'd front load all the newcomers past Ridley to near release rather than spread them out.

I'm leaning towards interpretation 1 as it seems others here are, but I admit 2's a possibility.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Yeah, I'm stoked about this tournament! Even if there isn't a new character (I have no expectations whatsoever), we get to see more gameplay, which is always exciting.

yeah! If they are presenting a newer build at the tournament then maybe we can see if Ashley will appear as a AT or not

 

[The Eternal Penguin]

yeah! If they are presenting a newer build at the tournament then maybe we can see if Ashley will appear as a AT or not

I can honestly see that happening and it would be quite disappointing. But like others have stated I would rather have them show it early on than keep us waiting till release only for her to be an assist.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

I can honestly see that happening and it would be quite disappointing. But like others have stated I would rather have them show it early on than keep us waiting till release only for her to be an assist.

well if they don't show her we can still keep our hope!

 

[NTDO89]

I'm guessing the tournament in a few hours will just be the E3 build again. I can't see them rolling out something new for an event that isn't an official Nintendo thing.

 

[The Eternal Penguin]

I'm guessing the tournament in a few hours will just be the E3 build again. I can't see them rolling out something new for an event that isn't an official Nintendo thing.

Yeah I guess that would be strange.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Yeah, I don't think anything is going to come out of this, but here's hoping that I wake up tomorrow; I look at the official site and see 66: Ashley.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

More than likely nothing will be revealed, but no harm in hoping.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I get that, but the way Smash treats Wario is that it reinforces that Wario is a Mario character first.

Wario has his own franchises, so the more that can be done to separate the two, the better.

This, 100%. On that note, Captain Syrup really ought to get more support.

 

[NTDO89]

I honestly hoped she'd show up on the blog for Friday the 13th since Japan seems to make a thing out of it for "occult" characters and she's a witch.

 

[Noipoi]

I honestly hoped she'd show up on the blog for Friday the 13th since Japan seems to make a thing out of it for "occult" characters and she's a witch.

Don't worry. Ashley's just fashionably late .

 

[Samcrumpit]

I honestly hoped she'd show up on the blog for Friday the 13th since Japan seems to make a thing out of it for "occult" characters and she's a witch.

There aren't any more F13's this year so that leaves that possibility out. What do you all think would be the best time to disconfirm her?

I though of two possibilites. It would be really weird if WW Gold's release came and went without a mentioning her or K&A as an assist trophy. Besides that, there's also the chance they'll have another wave of assist deconfirmations in an eventual Smash Direct. I will be scared af going into another one of those with no Ashley reveal prior to it.

Not trying to be pessimistic. I think the most hypest reveal would Ashley being the only M.I.A. assist leading up to the release. Literally everyone would expect Ashley at that point, and it would make for a better narrative then getting an early reveal. Although, I personally just want to cash in on that playable Ashley reveal ASAP.

 

[OdnetninAges]

Honestly? If WarioWare Gold came and went with no mention of Ashley at all (playable, assist, or otherwise), that'd be fairly suspicious to me.

 

[Noipoi]

There aren't any more F13's this year so that leaves that possibility out. What do you all think would be the best time to disconfirm her?

I though of two possibilites. It would be really weird if WW Gold's release came and went without a mentioning her or K&A as an assist trophy. Besides that, there's also the chance they'll have another wave of assist deconfirmations in an eventual Smash Direct. I will be scared af going into another one of those with no Ashley reveal prior to it.

The best time to disconfirm her is never.
But if worse comes to worse and she's still an assist i'd prefer to know as soon as possible, perhaps in a blog post,
Good thing that's not happening though!


SAKURAI PLEASE

 

[Samcrumpit]

The best time to disconfirm her is never.
But if worse comes to worse and she's still an assist i'd prefer to know as soon as possible, perhaps in a blog post,
Good thing that's not happening though!


SAKURAI PLEASE

I totally agree. I'm just saying what storms we have to weather before we get Ashley. There are prime times that she could get deconfirmed and if she passes those tests, then that should boost our confidence in her even more. Just imagine if they did another assist trophy massacre with favorites like Isabelle, Shadow, Dillon, Issac, Geno, but still no Ashley. This thread would explode like if she just got confirmed.

It would also be really difficult to argue that Ashley just hasn't been shown as an Assist at that point. It would be really cool to convince the skeptics in the speculation community before her reveal rather than surprise them after the fact.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Honestly? If WarioWare Gold came and went with no mention of Ashley at all (playable, assist, or otherwise), that'd be fairly suspicious to me.

If Warioware is released in Europe before any direct with Warioware then it'll get datamined and we'll know the amiibo that work with it. If Ashley's missing from that... Well, That would really suck. XD I know patching is a thing, but Warioware doesn't strike me as a game that warrants any patches.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

I honestly hoped she'd show up on the blog for Friday the 13th since Japan seems to make a thing out of it for "occult" characters and she's a witch.

The Catholic Church considered the number 13 to be unlucky. In Japan 4 and 9 are unlucky numbers.

 

[Noipoi]

I totally agree. I'm just saying what storms we have to weather before we get Ashley. There are prime times that she could get deconfirmed and if she passes those tests, then that should boost our confidence in her even more. Just imagine if they did another assist trophy massacre with favorites like Isabelle, Shadow, Dillon, Issac, Geno, but still no Ashley. This thread would explode like if she just got confirmed.

On the topic of Assist Trophies, I mentioned how she wasn't present in Wario's trailer before, until I was reminded Kat and Ana weren't either.
But think about it, what do Kat and Ana do when summoned? They fly around the screen at high speeds, and Ashley? She just stands there with her magic cloud. I would have been easy to get a shot of them together but they didn't. It seems a little suspect, then again I am a conspiracy theorist when it comes to Smash! Maybe i'm looking too deep into this.

 

[Samcrumpit]

The Catholic Church considered the number 13 to be unlucky. In Japan 4 and 9 are unlucky numbers.

Are there any unlucky days in Japan equivalent to F13?

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

On the topic of Assist Trophies, I mentioned how she wasn't present in Wario's trailer before, until I was reminded Kat and Ana weren't either.
But think about it, what do Kat and Ana do when summoned? They fly around the screen at high speeds, and Ashley? She just stands there with her magic cloud. I would have easy to get a shot of them together but they didn't. It seems a little suspect, then again I am a conspiracy theorist when it comes to Smash! Maybe i'm looking too deep into this!

We know there will be over 50 ATs and we've seen 30 so far. Many franchises from DLC characters still have yet to get an AT such as Raiden from Metal Gear returning from Brawl or a Final Fantasy AT or a Street Fighter AT, not to mention, if Simon Belmont gets in the game we'll get a Castlevania AT. So that will count for a few AT slots.

Are there any unlucky days in Japan equivalent to F13?

Somehow when it comes to days the Japanese aren't as superstitious as the west. I guess you could say April 4th (4/4) or September 9th (9/9) might be considered unlucky because the number occurs twice.

 

[TreeBranch]

On the topic of Assist Trophies, I mentioned how she wasn't present in Wario's trailer before, until I was reminded Kat and Ana weren't either.
But think about it, what do Kat and Ana do when summoned? They fly around the screen at high speeds, and Ashley? She just stands there with her magic cloud. I would have been easy to get a shot of them together but they didn't. It seems a little suspect, then again I am a conspiracy theorist when it comes to Smash! Maybe i'm looking too deep into this.

I don't really think the screenshots really mean anything. They could have just as easily gotten tingle to stand next to young link, but they didn't. I figure they only wanted to show the assist trophies that were at E3. I'd like to think this improves her chances though too lol.

 

[perfectchaos83]

On the topic of Assist Trophies, I mentioned how she wasn't present in Wario's trailer before, until I was reminded Kat and Ana weren't either.
But think about it, what do Kat and Ana do when summoned? They fly around the screen at high speeds, and Ashley? She just stands there with her magic cloud. I would have been easy to get a shot of them together but they didn't. It seems a little suspect, then again I am a conspiracy theorist when it comes to Smash! Maybe i'm looking too deep into this.

I'm pretty sure that Kat&Ana were in a pic of the day with Wario at some point. So it's possible that they didn't want overlap.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

I don't really think the screenshots really mean anything. They could have just as easily gotten tingle to stand next to young link, but they didn't. I figure they only wanted to show the assist trophies that were at E3. I'd like to think this improves her chances though too lol.

Termina Bay is returning as a stage and Tingle appears as a stage hazard. I don't know if they'll bring Tingle back as an AT for that reason but his AT was based on WW so it's probably fine having both.

 

[Noipoi]

I don't really think the screenshots really mean anything. They could have just as easily gotten tingle to stand next to young link, but they didn't. I figure they only wanted to show the assist trophies that were at E3. I'd like to think this improves her chances though too lol.

I agree it probably doesn't mean anything, but i'm talking about the individual character overview videos.
In Fox's they showed him next to Krystal (A popular request) in Sonic's they showed him next to Knuckles (Not as popular but still).
Ashley (A very popular request) was nowhere to be seen. Like you said, it probably doesn't mean anything. I just thought it was interesting.

 

[Samcrumpit]

I'm pretty sure that Kat&Ana were in a pic of the day with Wario at some point. So it's possible that they didn't want overlap.

Damn, that pic is precious. Wario looks like a proud uncle. Do you know what the caption for it was?