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I don't know why anyone would be against Grinch Leak unless they wanted a character that has yet to be deconfirmed. It's full of characters people have wanted since at least Brawl.
To play devil's advocate, someone might have their reservations because they aren't convinced it's 100% real and don't want to get their hopes up.

I, personally, am cautious, but not ruling it out, like I've said before. But if it comes true, then Sakurai has taken an already outstanding roster and doubled its awesomeness. Even Ken, who I consider the weakest link, is an understandable inclusion, and an Echo of a character I like to play as, so no objections here, haha.
 

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I don't know why anyone would be against Grinch Leak unless they wanted a character that has yet to be deconfirmed. It's full of characters people have wanted since at least Brawl.
Yeah, I'm also miffed that people have convinced themselves that no leaker could frame their leak like this.

Even if I'm wrong, I still get to play with more characters so it's sort of a win win.
 
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I dont know how it would. Would be weird to give an item like that two stages. Unless its changed and it sprouts into a bulb. Even then that sounds like an unnecessary change.
Like I said, I don't think it is the Healing Field, just something that could be tangently related (ie another healing item). Both have sprout imagery, so I don't think it's a stretch to think that this new sprout can also heal.

I don't know why anyone would be against Grinch Leak unless they wanted a character that has yet to be deconfirmed. It's full of characters people have wanted since at least Brawl.
I'm not so much against it as much as I don't believe it. It also helps that I really don't give a single **** about any of the characters it adds.
 

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I'm not so much against it as much as I don't believe it. It also helps that I really don't give a single **** about any of the characters it adds.
If nothing else, the Grinch Leak would at least knock off a lot more potential DLC/future game competition in Banjo, Geno, and Isaac than the Kencineroar/Box Theory timelines.

As for its legitimacy, I probably lean "no" but honestly vary by the hour. I'm glad I can say that, since it will keep me off of the "Look at all these wrong people" compilations once it's all over.
 

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Like I said, I don't think it is the Healing Field, just something that could be tangently related (ie another healing item). Both have sprout imagery, so I don't think it's a stretch to think that this new sprout can also heal.



I'm not so much against it as much as I don't believe it. It also helps that I really don't give a single **** about any of the characters it adds.
I dont think it's real at this point because of the blatant background mistakes. And I think it's a pretty healthy outcome for the community. A lot of fallacies are going around right now that I'm not comfortable with.
 
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I believe the leak is real. Sakurai pretty much went down the list of the Smash Ballot and skipped the Bandana Dee, added the Mach Rider who was probably the Retro who received the most votes, and threw in the Chorus Kids who were planned and cut from Smash 4.

This will eliminate a lot of characters in Ashley's way. Ashley will make it in we just have to wait until the next game or DLC if we're lucky.
 
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I believe the leak is real. Sakurai pretty much went down the list of the Smash Ballot and skipped the Bandana Dee, added the Mach Rider who was probably the Retro who received the most votes, and threw in the Chorus Kids who were planned and cut from Smash 4.

This will eliminate a lot of characters in Ashley's way. Ashley will make it in we just have to wait until the next game or DLC if we're lucky.
If the leak is true, that's the thing I'm most thankful for. I've always said I believed her to be an eventuality. That still hasn't changed.
 

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I believe the leak is real. Sakurai pretty much went down the list of the Smash Ballot and skipped the Bandana Dee, added the Mach Rider who was probably the Retro who received the most votes, and threw in the Chorus Kids who were planned and cut from Smash 4.

This will eliminate a lot of characters in Ashley's way. Ashley will make it in we just have to wait until the next game or DLC if we're lucky.
I don't think Mach Rider got the most votes, but Mach Rider was considered for Melee, so perhaps Sakurai felt like adding a retro he had previously considered back in the franchises earlier days.
 
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I don't think Mach Rider got the most votes, but Mach Rider was considered for Melee, so perhaps Sakurai felt like adding a retro he had previously considered back in the franchises earlier days.
I doubt the Mach Rider placed within the top ten or possibly even the top twenty overall. Any of the Retro characters from the NES era (Mach Rider, Takamaru, Ayumi Tachibana, Balloon Fighter, Excite Biker, Etc.) probably didn't even come close to the top ten, however, in order to stay with tradition Sakurai probably wanted to place a Retro character in the roster anyway.

Looking back at the mock polls during the Smash Ballot days, the character among the Retro category with the most votes was either the Excite Biker or the Mach Rider. The two characters are similar, however, the Mach Rider is more combat oriented so Sakurai decided to go with the Mach Rider thinking the Excite Biker people would be pleased with the Mach Rider as well.

For this reason, I'm thinking the Excite Biker will never be playable in Smash. The closest he will ever be is a skin swap for the Mach Rider.
 
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Why are so many people so quick to believe a leak? I’ll laugh when that leak is burned as only 3 unique newcomers are in the final direct.
The Smash Bros fanbase want to believe it due to it having almost all of the longtime fan favorites. While possible you have to wander why they would not space out the newcomer trailers by not having 1 for July, October and another one in the September Direct?
 
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The Smash Bros fanbase want to believe it due to it having almost all of the longtime fan favorites. While possible you have to wander why they would not space out the newcomer trailers by not having 1 for July, October and another one in the September Direct?
Exactly what puts in th fake spotlight. Too good to be true (except to me, in which I haven’t played a single one of those characters games, aside from Ken, and I’d still prefer chun-li over him), even the retro is the top requested in that regard. Especially Isaac, who was shafted from 4 completely. Another discrepancy which should tell you not to believe the leak, is because it’s saying there are more unique newcomers left to be revealed than ones we already have, when it’s impossible for us to get anymore than two more directs (and that’s pushing it) before launch.
 
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Looks like stars are aligning for a Halloween Direct. Too Bad Ashley's out of the running :(

The Smash Bros fanbase want to believe it due to it having almost all of the longtime fan favorites. While possible you have to wander why they would not space out the newcomer trailers by not having 1 for July, October and another one in the September Direct?
This has always been my issue with this leak. There'd easily have been enough characters for one a month and we wouldn't have felt so starved for information. It's weird...
 

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Happy Halloween from Ashley y'all~

I don't know why anyone would be against Grinch Leak unless they wanted a character that has yet to be deconfirmed. It's full of characters people have wanted since at least Brawl.
So true! I have high hopes the grinch leak will be revealed as at least partially true tomorrow~

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Onwards to the direct!!
 
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How appropriate that the finale of Smash Ultimate is turning into a massive ****storm.

The Grinch vs Insiders Vs Sakurai

Only one will win. Will the Grinch Steal Smashmas? Will the insiders finally be right? Or Will Sakurai have the Last laugh? Only Thursday can bring us the answer

Sakurai: *laughs*
 
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Happy Halloween from Ashley y'all~


So true! I have high hopes the grinch leak will be revealed as at least partially true tomorrow~

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Onwards to the direct!!
Nice artwork.
How appropriate that the finale of Smash Ultimate is turning into a massive ****storm.

The Grinch vs Insiders Vs Sakurai

Only one will win. Will the Grinch Steal Smashmas? Will the insiders finally be right? Or Will Sakurai have the Last laugh? Only Thursday can bring us the answer

Sakurai: *laughs*
NOA said final Direct before release. So we will soon have to deal with all of those DLC leaks.
 
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How appropriate that the finale of Smash Ultimate is turning into a massive ****storm.

The Grinch vs Insiders Vs Sakurai

Only one will win. Will the Grinch Steal Smashmas? Will the insiders finally be right? Or Will Sakurai have the Last laugh? Only Thursday can bring us the answer

Sakurai: *laughs*
Despite how it hurt losing Ashley, it was worth staying observant of the community for this moment.
 

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How appropriate that the finale of Smash Ultimate is turning into a massive ****storm.

The Grinch vs Insiders Vs Sakurai

Only one will win. Will the Grinch Steal Smashmas? Will the insiders finally be right? Or Will Sakurai have the Last laugh? Only Thursday can bring us the answer

Sakurai: *laughs*
Well it depends on where you go lul
Some places always argue, and got me disenchanted with speculation for a while. I'm glad it will all be over soon!

I'm hoping on the winner to be a tie between the Grinch and Sakurai. I hope some of the characters in the banner are true but I also hope some others were faked in it too so Sakurai can surprise us with what's really in those spots~

(Lip, Adeleine, Skull Kid, or Dixie Kong PLZ)

Yes! I knew when I found it, I just had to share it here ^^
It's a far cry from all that Ashley hate "art" that was circling a while back with K. Rool in it. I just love how cute they are together here! ^^
 
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Grinch leak was fake, Vergeben bats 1.000, and I was right about there being a new novelty character. Also, the Smash directs have gradually increased in quality. We started with "is this a new game or just a deluxe port?" and ended with an adventure mode being announced. Which means they'll top this one by announcing Ashley as DLC.
 

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Grinch leak was fake, Vergeben bats 1.000, and I was right about there being a new novelty character. Also, the Smash directs have gradually increased in quality. We started with "is this a new game or just a deluxe port?" and ended with an adventure mode being announced. Which means they'll top this one by announcing Ashley as DLC.
Verge still mentioned that Square Enix character as DLC content. (And Ashley too OFC! :D) So I still have hope for Geno, it doesn't look like he's been deconfirmed as a spirit or assist trophy yet!

What I wanna know though is how that Grinch Leak was faked because no one could disprove it completely! It had to take a while to make all that... why go through all the trouble for one week of fame though? that guy lost his job and everything...
maybe what he posted was planned DlC content? or somethings that were planned but then cut?
 

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Verge still mentioned that Square Enix character as DLC content. (And Ashley too OFC! :D) So I still have hope for Geno, it doesn't look like he's been deconfirmed as a spirit or assist trophy yet!

What I wanna know though is how that Grinch Leak was faked because no one could disprove it completely! It had to take a while to make all that... why go through all the trouble for one week of fame though? that guy lost his job and everything...
maybe what he posted was planned DlC content? or somethings that were planned but then cut?
Geno’s a spirit. He’s been spotted.
 

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Geno’s a spirit. He’s been spotted.
What? Where? I'm headed to the Geno boards!
I was kind of hoping Ashley's Mii outfit would return. Maybe it's there we just didn't see it because it's not new?
Ashley's costume is back the Ashley discord server says. They have a picture fighting against Ashley's spirit pits you against a Mii fighter.
prolly the same with Geno above too.. but I don't think a Spirit or a costume is a heavy deconfirm, an AT might be a heavy deconfirm, but I still have hope for my favorites cuz if a plant can make it in anyone should be able too!
 
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All I can say is ... The Ashley fans were way luckier than Isaac supporters............. Months of hype wasted..... He should've been shown as an AT back when Ashley was...or even before that..... CRAZY.... Another Pokemon and another Mario character.... Piranha Plant made me ROFL though!!! xD
No, we weren't lucky. We were mocked relentlessly and since people assumed their favorite would get over Ashley they just picked on us as an easy target of ridicule.
 
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No, we weren't lucky. We were mocked relentlessly and since people assumed their favorite would get over Ashley they just picked on us as an easy target of ridicule.
Your time of being mocked is over. Begun the Isaac mocking has..... (Imperial March music). In comparison, I still think any character deconfirmed "sooner" was let off much easier. This close to release all this bad news could've been spread much better.
 
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Still better than Skull Kid who was never even formally shown.
Wait... does that mean skull kid was 100% cut? Guess we know one of the dlc characters already.. it’s inevitable that I’m cursed never to get a single character I want. FML.
 
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