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Depending on which pokemon is picked, the Zacian/Zamazenta & starters could be reused. And if not then i can see them using Corviknight & Morpecko given their popularity from gen 8.
They revealed a single game called Pokemon Unite.
I don't see why it's so hated. The game itself dosen't look half bad.
Indeed, the game itself looks quite fun. I just hope we have a more unique roster than, Gen 1 army, Lucario, and Talonflame.
Thing is, it probably was meant for last week's event, but something caused a delay. Notice how the intro and outro sections were filmed in a much less staged environment, as if they didn't anticipate having to do that?
And pokemon fans have overhyped themselves yet again. When will they learn not to get excited over nothing only to then lash out against Pokemon when they never promised anything?
Welcome. Glad to have your support.
A trailer like that would be nice, but I have a feeling it'll end up being a straightforward, "This is who the newcomer is," reveal.
If they don't go for Eternatus, they could do Dharkon again like with Hero's trailer.
I just discovered why: Tencent actually is a horrible company.
That doesn't fully explain it either. We've known this was coming for a long time, and we knew Tencent was making the game. Quite a few people were actually intrested in this project.
More specifically TiMi Studios, a subsidiary: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2...as_an_unprecedented_opportunity_and_challenge
-I did see plenty of people didn't know about the collab between Pokemon and Tencent, which immediatly turned them off after seeing Tencent's "problematic" background.
Last gen pokemon like Lycanroc were definitely being overlooked by most outside of it's support thread. They think starters have become easy shoe-ins, even though it's only been true for the last 2 games. I'd say pokemon trainer is a special case.
Mythicals and Ultra Beasts are in a corner crying.
Every damn time, I swear. Every time a new round of newcomer speculation kicks off, most of the community picks a small handful of characters to focus on and hardly diverges from them at all. Only seems to change if either a new game is announced to shake things up or a rumor (even an easily disproven one) grows popular enough to get people talking about a character mentioned in it. I've spent years trying to figure out how to break through that, but all I've ever been able to reach are niche crowds.
Alas. Nothing like having a character wind up in literally the same position in the anime that Greninja had in Gen 6, while offering not only a unique build for a fighter but also elemental powers that are to this day completely untapped by the current roster...and get almost completely dismissed by speculators because they'd decided you had to be a starter to have a real shot. Even though we had multiple non-starters in Smash already. Even though they made an exception to their own rule with Mimikyu because it also got popular outside its home fandom.
I wouldn't dwell on it too much. Based on the conversations I've seen so far, it's clear that a large number of the people predicting Cinderace, Urshifu, and/or Rillaboom aren't putting much effort into their research, and it doesn't seem like they have any desire to try.
If you have any ideas you'd like to try, go ahead by all means. Even if it doesn't result in Zacian and Zamazenta being taken more seriously, at least we'd potentiality have more supporters. We wouldn't feel as isolated.
along with pseudo legendarys and regional variants
Hold up, I don’t mean to butt in but there’s more to it than just that. We believe that Cinderace is the Gen 8 starter that TPC wants to spotlight the most for the following additional reasons:
Wasn't necessarily referring to Cinderace supporters. A lot of people have done nothing but ask, "Which starter is getting pushed the hardest?" That's all the information they need to lock in their prediction and ignore other options, which is probably why the Smash fanbase is consistently wrong about Pokemon newcomers.
Oh in that case, yeah I agree that many people in the Smash Community should try to put more thought into their predictions and be more considerate of other possible options. But what can you do? They all have their own theories and opinions on how the DLC will play out and even if you are able to make a solid case for your most wanted many will just dismiss your ideas unless by some miracle Sakurai adds a character that is able to challenge people's preconceived notions.
It doesn't help that many of those people are from outside the pokemon fanbase who don't keep up with the recent generation, so the starter is a easy pick for them.
yeah i want to go for someone unconventional too
well it certainly looks that way with pokemon, i would say cinderace is suited to fighting after all the whole thing hes based on gets incredibly violent
Is Archer not in that category or am i overthinking it?
Not necessarily completely related to this, but this sort of opened my eyes to GF's Pokémon design philosophy nowadays, especially regarding the starters. Starting from, like, Gen 6 onwards, I feel like they design them character-first instead of "species"-first. What I mean by this is that I feel like when thinking of the starters from Gens 1-5, people go like "oh, it's a big lizard/dragon/alligator/snake" etc, while Gen 6-8 is more like "oh, it's a ninja/archer/wrestler/soccer player/drummer/spy", you know the deal. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just interesting to see a clear shift in design practices. Maybe that's why a lot of the newer gen starters lend themselves well for stuff like Smash, as they already have an archetype built into them.
Yes, and Sakurai did say he considered Decidueye, so consider that to be more proof that this theory is true.
A lot of that has to do with them running out of real-life creatures to base the Pokemon off of, so they have to reuse animals and make them stand out from the older Pokemon by adding some type of theme or shtick.
First of all, Lycanroc did not get dismissed because of starter bias, but because of a leak that started to gain popularity at the same time as Lycanroc did. Post-Decidueye (who was a phase before the games released and Lycanroc didn’t get his importance), I distinctly remembering Lycanroc gaining popularity and going toe-to-toe with the then waning Decidueye. Thing is, Vergeben came along and correctly picked out Incineroar before anime Lycanroc really gained steam. I still stand by my opinion that Lycanroc would’ve been a frontrunner if it weren’t for leaks.
I'd argue it sort of started with gen 5, as it's stated that the starters are based on different empires of the past amoung other things:
If we had a gen 5 rep, would he have picked Samurott the Samurai as the character if said mentality existed from back then?
as i understood it emboar was based on a character from journey to the west
To he honest, I'm not really sure. None of the starter final evos got a lot of attention in the anime or movies. Oshawott and Snivy never evolved, and Tepig never made it past Pignite. Zoroark was probably the most likely to he chosen, but despite having a movie, it only appeared once in the BW anime. Lucario had made several appearances in the DP anime.
Well...I'm don't think we have enough information to make that call. For all we know, it could've been other factors that gave Min Min a leg up (like being able to use her signature kicks to fill in gaps in her moveset). There's also Piranha Plant, a non-main character who was chosen because of how completely different it'd be and how it was capable of things no other character was, not because it fit a pre-existing theme. Even Lucario was designed first as "this character fights using aura and we can do interesting things with that"; the martial arts angle was just a natural extension of that and being a Fighting type. Are you sure you aren't extrapolating too far from what Sakurai said about Gen 7?
Hard to say. Zoroark would probably have been the frontrunner, though, especially since the whole illusionist angle would've itself been unique.
Sakurai's making a fighting game, so I do think it's understandable for him to be drawn to characters who would naturally fit in. They're easy to create, and stuff outside of the specials are pretty straightforward. As much as I hate to admit, Greninja and Incineroar were probably the easiest Pokemon from their Gen to make a moveset for.
