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A grab very rarely leads into death even if you are smart imo. A kill of a grab at 0, barring a gimp, requires 4-5 reads unless your opponent likes to miss techs. I will say that kirby can combo decently off a grabs and does have some pretty good mixups. From the videos I have seen, it seems like a lot of people don't know how good uthrow/fthrow ->horizontal cutter is.
Why read when you have dash attack
not after a dthrow. pretty safe.
On fast fallers I dthrow then wavedash back. If they don't tech, I can sometimes get a jab, but I usually just wait. If they neutral tech (or neutral getup, or getup attack) I can get a grab. If they tech through me it's a free grab. If they tech away I can get a dash attack on most characters (not optimal). Of course I can just dthrow them near a ledge. They start to catch on that tech away is the best option, but then I just read it and wreck em. Anyway that's for characters with short techs.
Also my initials. Flocka.
Kirby. Kirby has a true chaingrab in the mirror that works from zero until death percents.
Yeah it depends on fall speed. The really floaty characters (Puff, Peach, Samus, Zelda, Popo, Kirby, Luigi) is guaranteed at 0% but i have no idea when it no longer becomes guaranteed. And it keeps going down the line by fall speed, R.O.B at certain %s is guaranteed for a while, and like DK at certain (very high) %s is guaranteed. Its best if someone made some kind of chart.
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Yeah it might be tight timing i just tested it 2 times and just assumed it didnt work. But yeah when i say get out I mean tech before you can grab.
pretty sure puff can DI behind you and you might have to read it?
I actually have barely any info on this matchup but reading the Zard boards I found he was very weak to combos and juggles. So if you get a hit in, try to get him above you and start comboing and juggling him. He's a big target with low aerial mobility so its seems easy. Dair and Nair dont come out below him until frames 18-20. So below him is where you want to be. Hes a big target, so fthrow is probably more useful since I know its more useful the bigger the opponent is. Other than that, just bait his nairs or whatever. Run in and sheild/wd oos seems like it would be really good. Some also said that Peach, ROB, Pit, and MK are all bad matchups for Charizard so Im sure Kirby fits in there as well. idk, idk anything about Charizard.
Also, aerial hammer can intercept recoveries if you predict a jump or if he comes straight at you with the glide. All that you need here is spacing, and an aggressively recovering charizard.
Ik, its one of if not our worst matchup. What exactly was destroying you? Just the uair juggling? Dont know what you were doing, but do not try to mash an attack out, youll just keep getting hit. Just focus on escaping the uairs and DI them horizontally. I know the main part about this matchup is who can tech chase better. Focus on grabbing but avoid getting grabbed. This matchup is heavily focused on mindgames I would say. Since he is a semi fast faller, you can pull some cheese with utilt and rock. If they dont DI the u-tilt it truly combos and kills into grounded hammer at like 65-70%. His transendent sword means approaching wiht DA/CD is on the verge of useless. Run up sheild is pretty good, just dont get predictable with it so you dont get grabbed. Even tho he's MK, his vertical recovery isnt that good. If you can get him below the stage, kill him.
Below the stage is safe if you own the ledge or are far enough away that the meta knight can't just shuttle loop and get back on stage safely. Otherwise, shuttle loop will stage spike you or clear the way for meta knight to recover. If he's nearby and below stage, you will have to hit him before he can react. Otherwise, it isn't safe and the situation might turn away from your favor.
they're easy compared to Kirby's other matchups and how other characters do against those characters. they're still hard, but not as hard.
I would like for you to explain why you think that for every character you mentioned.
Wario is evenish. Spacies are easy in the sense that they are as easy as spacies can be. Also you can kill them for free. It's like the Puff/Spacie matchup but you don't have rest (but all of your moves are good unlike Puff who only has bair so it doesn't matter). ZSS is just that I have played that matchup a number of times against a number of players and I find it to not be a hard matchup.
I know it sounds really scrubby to say this, but this is actually a matchup where you want to steal fireballs. There are a couple matchups where it actually does make a big difference, and this is one of them. You can kinda bounce in the air with double jumps and shoot fireballs, and they'll fall down to him and he won't be able to reach you with his own fireballs. Any approach he makes is relatively telegraphed.
The spacie MU with Kirby is actually quite different from the spacie MU with Jigglypuff. Unlike Jigglypuff, Kirby has very low air mobility (37/41 compared to Jigglypuff’s 2/41). On the other side, Kirby has a much faster run speed (27/41) than Jigglypuff (41/41). Kirby also has much better ground options overall in comparison.
Hella copy abilities are good if you know how to use them, even the bad ones, most people just look at the move in a vacuum and make judgements based on that. But yeah like SSS said, Mario's fireballs are one of the best. Learn to cover his options with them. You can wave land out of a short hopped fireball for extra mobility. Fireball his downb recovery, use them to block his attempt to upb wall jump. Just test stuff out, most people don't know the matchup of kirby with their copy ability, and once they find out that what you are doing with it is viable and not just some scrubby mistake they get mind gamed and get flustered not knowing what to do.
-- bad (possibly one of Kirby's worst)-- evenish (maybe slightly in DK's favor)-- 70/60 Kirby's favor-- bad for Kirby (ughu)-- evenish (maybe slightly in Kirby's favor)-- bad for Kirby -- good for Kirby -- evenish (probably slightly in Kirby's favor) -- even (I've played this match-up a lot against various players and I think it's dead even) -- lol wait wut -- a little bad for Kirby (but Kirby can still do some stuff) -- slightly in Kirby's favor -- good for Kirby (some Snake players say it's his worst matchup, I don't know if I agree) -- evenish (feels pretty even, might be a bit in Squirtle? could go either way) -- slightly in Kirby's favor -- slightly in Wario's favor -- good for Kirby (guys the chaingrab in this match-up is just ridiculous; i need to test more but I did it today in tournament and the guy was DI'ing as hard as he could; ban Dreamland against Zelda because by the time fsmash will kill her dthrow to fsmash will stop working)
