ggs to all, tbm my falco was looking good by the middle of the night but you ran so its all good.
as for the discussion, meh, i read all of it and ill respond to everything with how i feel, one person at a time.
I wish Cross would login on the site every once and a while. He hardly answers his phone.
I may be able to come friday. But the thing is, I have an exam on the same day.
Ive been longing to play smash with you guys. I hope we get FNFs back on.
All i see is MVC3 and street fighter every friday. Its getting annoying.
So yea il try and see if i can forward friday.
I told you i quit smash, i do log in once in a while and check this thread everytime I do. All you see is mvc3 and street fighter every friday and its annoying? well why dont you link up with the smash players and play smash then? Tbm and ausp didnt come out for a long time due to personal reasons so what do you expect? everyone to jump on smash even though marvel and street fighter is what the people who come play?
I dont know what you mean by NO you.
Im sorry if i said anything that would diss the two games.
I just had to let every thing out. Its just how i feel about MVC3 and Street Fighter.
I remember when we used to have two t.vs for smash. I was watching over the vids we had back in September and October and i can hear the laughter and the hype we had in the background.
I mean soon SSF4 wont be popular any more and you guys would just play the new street fighter that comes out. It's not like your going to a tournament to test your skills.
Sometimes I feel like you guys aren't passionate enough for smash.
I mean, ive been playing by myself for like 6 weeks now. I remember at red alart when I first met Taj and about 15 people were watching the t.v. for smash. It just doesn't feel like were improving our community.
Thats just how i feel. Please respect my opinion.
Thats how you feel about marvel and street fighter huh? well did you ever stop to think maybe thats how the marvel and street fighter players feel about smash too? oh you remember when we used to have two tvs for smash and would rather it go back to that than what it is now. you realize what your saying right? because YOU dont feel passionate about marvel or street fighter you would rather see smash instead, and because its not like that somethings wrong? what about the players who care about marvel or street fighter? it goes both ways. Super street fighter 4 will be popular for a long, long time, the "new" street fighter is just a rebalance for it, and the final one at that, meaning it will be around for a while. True you have been playing by yourself for 6 weeks but what you cant seem to get into your head is THAT IS NOBODIES FAULT. Do you really think its mine or anyones fault that youve been playing by yourself? The smash players didnt show up, i quit smash and im guesing tossy did too. No one else plays smash. how can you even be upset about something like that and post like we could have done something about it? Again it sounds like some selfish "everyone should just play my game, all others are lame because i dont play them". Grow up kid, sometimes things dont work out the way you want but thats just how it is. No one makes any effort around here to play smash really. Its either link up at my place or bust. Why didnt you call bryan or ausp and see if you could go and link up at their place since they couldnt come out? even after friday night fights ended bryan and ausp could have gone to your house, or vice versa to play smash if you guys really wanted to but nothing like that went on. **** like this is what i meant in the past, no one is really doing anything except showing up, and thats why its annoying as hell to hear people complain. The marvel and street fighter players all link up wherever is possible. You think if i tell them they cant link up at my house that night they dont play at all? No. We've gone to other link up spots and threw down. That is what being passionate about something really is. We arent passionate enough about smash huh? i speak for myself when i say your right. Im not passionate about smash anymore. I doubt tossy is either, but i wont speak for bryan and ausp. But you make that sound like its a bad thing. No it aint *****. Its just what it is. I dont feel passionate about smash and feel about sf instead, does that make me a bad guy? Marauder feels passionate about blaze blue, taj marvel, kyo mortal kombat, andrew tekken. Am i mad at them cuz they dont feel the same about street fighter like I do? No i respect them and i respect their games, i dont play tekken but ill watch when they play and give the game respect. You say it doesnt feel like we are improving our community and you are 100% right. YOU the smash players are not doing anything at all to improve the community. When I was around trying to make **** going it was 10x better, but no one even seems to have taken up that role. I said if Fridays start back we wont use one of the tvs provided for smash, what does that mean? its up to you guys.
I just need to single out this, wow at this comment
It's not like your going to a tournament to test your skills.
WOW you get the chance to go to a big tournament, so ****n what? that means sf and marvel should get put away to help you practice? again this is a selfish as hell comment. You think if we could go to evo to play marvel or street fighter we wouldnt? We dont have the chance, but that doesnt mean we should stop playing and trying to be as good as we can,and that doesnt give our games any less significance that yours. The fact of the matter is, the players you think you know about dont feel passionate about smash. You think jervis or taj really take smash serious anymore? Seriously stop being so selfish, people will play what they want, your going to a big tournament but that doesnt mean everything stops so you can play smash.
for the past few months while everyones been away, I learned a lot of things. I got the theory down. I know every match up at the top of my head except for Marth, IC's and Samus. All i have to do is apply it in my matches. Starting this summer, im gonna train hard.
This comment is funny to me, just because its bull****. I wasnt going to even comment on it but ok, ill bite. You really think you know the matchups "in theory"? You cant even use fox in theory. You have no vision of what your trying to do. I dont even play this game anymore and im keeping up with you easy as hell. Tossy and ausp give me a far harder time than you. You dont look at the game properly, you dont have the right mindset when you look at the game. Sorry if this sounds mean, but its how i feel, and how ive always felt(ive told you this before, but you dont ever take my advice. How long ago have i told you to stop playing the computers on level 9 cuz you get bad habits?). Ive never respected you as a player, and when you won the tournaments or w/e and started posting around on the forums that your the best player in jamaica i thought it was just laughable. I sound salty, in truth i kinda am cuz i let a rux like you beat me, but honestly if you cared so much about the title of "best in jamaica" you could have just been given that title. Saying your the best in jamaica is like saying your the best in zimbawe, even if its true who really gives a ****?
Work on your mindset first, cuz thats really whats lacking and its so obvious when you play and just do the same series of **** over and over again. You dont even like street fighter but you could never play it the way you are now. Its a big mind game, and when i play smash with you it doesnt feel like a mental battle, just a herp derp pile of ****. Ausp will be the best fox in jamaica soon, since that means so much to you.
lol take it easy bros, what happened to Jamaica no problem?
all this talk about "not enough passion" and whatever isnt the reason melee is "dead" right now. I think most of us were expecting too much from this "community", seriously there's maybe 5 or 6 of us who are even remotely interested in the game lol, there are others who play melee once in a while like Eraser or Taj but obviously their interest lies elsewhere.
Whats wrong with a couple of us getting together and playing smash, having fun and enjoying the game? people wanted more than that which is not possible here so naturally they started to lose whatever interest they had.
I might be wrong but i dont think any of the street fighter guys are aiming to be the best in the world or to go to tournaments like Sinji said but they are still playing, gettin better and enjoying their games every week which is much more than I can say for melee.
Honestly the biggest motivation I had to get better was not for any tournament but from getting ****ed up by Cross, Sinji and even you
Trolly Tossy.
You know, its attitudes like this that bruk vibes and really and truly i never ever liked that you had that mindset. SAYING "there is not enough passion" is not the reason smash is dead, smash really is dead because there just wasnt enough passion, sinji whas right about that. And people like you are what contribute to that, no offense of course. You see it as "well never ever amount to anything so lets just play till its not fun and then stop". This kind of mind set is what makes the game lame for me, and its such a waste since you are one of the strongest when it comes to the mental side of things. You could easily have been the best falco in jamaica, but even now i say with 100% confidence that im better than you. so is tossy, and you let sinji win even though you are 10x smarter than him in game sense. the reason? because your not hungry. you dont feel the way the rest of us feel. When you lose, your heart isnt set on fire because "oh well its not like im going to play in a tournament". Your "heart" is weak in that sense. I dont know if you even know what i mean, but this is how i feel.
You say you doubt none of the street fighter players are aiming to be the best, but your are oh so wrong. They are hungry. Really hungry. Players like them are the ones who push the game to its limits. Do you notice that even though eugene is considered the best, everyone save the newer players like me or tossy are a huge force to be reckoned with? Its because of the fiery passion they have for the game, the aim not to lose to anyone no matter who they are, and the goal of being as good as they can be, and when it comes to that goal the sky is the limit, but we in jamaica are under a ceiling so the sky seems to be impossible to get to. But you better believe that 80% of the players are right there touching the ceiling. They highest level of skill in jamaica belongs to them, and thats the difference with them and you. You arent hungry enough to even touch that ceiling, and everyone plays the games for there own reasons but dont think your way is the best just because its how you feel. I was starving when i just started playing smash and got better really fast. You think i care if if its your falco im playing or mango's? im trying to win no matter what. and the same can be said about all the street fighter players. If you actually were passionate enough to push yourself to your limit out here, you would know what having a little confidence can do for your game.
The only thing we gave up on was playing smash on friday nights. If that's what you meant then yes we did give up. There was really no great dream to give up on.
I half agree with this. I'm positive there are other people in Jamaica with interest in the game but its not that simple. Take me for instance, if I hadn't moved to Kingston for school I would have never met these guys, I might have read this thread but i still would never have played smash with them. For the average Jamaican its really not feasible/possible to travel across the country to play melee, much less travel overseas to do so. Secondly, this is a point i've heard Cross make several times which i think is very valid; If there was really someone with genuine interest in the game don't you think they would have somehow stumbled onto these forums and this thread? I did. I don't know what other advertising strategies we're supposed to try, T.V. commercials maybe??? (jk)
I mostly agree with the rest of your post, especially your last paragraph. Melee is such an old game now that the only thing keeping it alive is just the few that actually like the game. There is none of the "newness" hype that Brawl has and there is none of the bandwagon effect that happens when there are tons of people playing a game (eg MvC3 & MK9, not to say MvC3 or MK9 are bad games, I actually enjoy watching both and would love to play either). Since we all like the game (I assume we all do since we put so much time and effort into it over the past years) why isn't it enough to play amongst ourselves and make the most of what we have? At one of the FNF "just for fun" tournaments we had like 10-15 people? i don't remember exactly. I think its a miracle we even had that much, they might not all have been super good but it was still pretty hype and I for one enjoyed it.
Again, you are the only one who feels this way, to me there was a great dream so stop speaking for everyone when you talk.
I agree with what you said about people should be willing to do as much as they can do play the game if they are truly interested, you know i do cuz as you said ive said it many times in the past. No one forced any of us to reach to the level we reached, no one forced you to come on smashboards and pm me or any of that. I mean, typing "Smash bros jamaica" in google will link to our thread first. If players truly wanted to step up there games and play for real they would have. The area players are the best example. The are the self proclaimed best in smash, we challenged them and they lost and we never heard a word from any of them ever again. Maybe we could have put a commercial on tv or printed flyers and hung them everywhere, but in all honestly we did all that we should have done to attract new players, we are all we got and to be honest, im ok with that. If we are really the only people to do all of this its obvious no one else cares, and i doubt they would want to play for real if they arent making the effort themselves.
The newness factor means nothing out here, all of 4 people play blazblue competitively, we have even more players than them. But guess what? they are all on a much higher level in their game than we are on ours. Again it comes down to what i mentioned before. The passion. The hunger. The fire you feel in your heart when you lose. The feeling "Im not going to lose to that guy ever again". I dont feel people were passionate enough for smash, because if the blazeblue guys could get that good with only 4 players then we could be 10x better, and i know it too. The "Just for fun tournaments" were business to me, i wanted to kill everyone and not lose a single match.
We didn't stop playing smash because of lack of interest on a competitive level, quite the contrary. Believe me even though we are few we had more than enough of that to go around. There is no great competitive smash scene in Jamaica which is why i said there is no dream to give up on here. Our FNFs were probably the highest level of melee in Jamaica so its obvious to play at a higher level it would have to be overseas which is a whole nother story.
The point I'm trying to argue is that we can still play the game even if its not at the competitive level where were entering big tournaments, whether you're not playing at that level by choice (some who just play casually from time to time) or because of personal limitations (eg. myself) its still better to actually be playing at the highest level that is available to you.
What if a couple months from now something unexpected happens and we are all somehow able to go to Apex; lets see a couple months of playing against the computer once in a while(for those who even do that) versus several months of honing our skills vs each other every week, which do you think is better.
There is no way i would ever try to discourage anyone from taking melee to the next level, however, not everyone is able to. I don't think that is a reason to stop playing the game though, things can change in the future.
I give up trying to talk about the finding the new players thing. From what I can gather the situation here is very different than in the Bahamas and i don't think i can make you understand.
Agreed, there is no super good scene down here and we are the best the island has to offer. Despite that why do you seem to think no one cared about being the best? Just because its illogical to you? Same things I say in my response to your last post, so i wont even bother.
You say your not discouraging anyone from playing melee for real, but your whole mindset is discouraging. Not everyone is able to take the game to the next level? thats not true, anyone can, maybe not by themselves but we have more than enough players who played the game at a good level to be 100% better than we are now. Its the lack of passion that truly killed it for me, and you best believe that is why the scene is how it now. Saying stuff like "whats the point of doing so and so, not like youll ever beat mango anyways" is just dumb as hell. Who cares about that stuff? Your overall look on the game is not that of a competitive player and really and truly its annoying that you seem to think everyone is like that. We are aware of the situation but like i said 100x we could be 100x better.
I have to side with sinji on the notion that because you guys had a small number you gave up. There are alot of ppl interested in smash in jamaica..i know because you guys have AlOT more ppl living there, than what lives in the bahamas. You guys just have bad advertising strategies. I feel like i live in a hopeless place aswell, but if you really love the game you will make it work.
Sinji going to apex 2012 is probably gonna be bad for him. but he has passion. Look at you guys during olympics and other national events..jamaica carries the caribbean more than any other island and so i know with the right amount of good players you guys could be a force to be reckoned with at anything. Don't give up sinji. Like we say in the bahamas jamaica carrying on bad this lap kingman.
Another thing you guys need to realise about smash is that is an underground thing..atleast since MLG..smash survives by it's communities, which means the little ppl. It'll only be astrong as the ppl make it to be. Someone has to be the head. Everyone else can become the body and pull together to make it work. Sinji going off ain't just gonna represent himself, but all americans and other ppl at the tourney will see what "Jamaica" has to offer. I say help me out..i would if i could for sure.
You are 100% wrong that we had a small number so we gave up. Nobody gave up for that reason, and the people who did give up did it for their own reasons. You are "siding" with sinji but sinji didnt say anything like that, what he said was the truth. The scene is mangled because of the lack of passion. All there is to it. Oh you know more people are interested in smash here huh? How do you know this abcool? Im really curious. Oh i see we had bad advertising strategies. Making a thread, linking up every friday CONSISTENTLY(do you have any idea how hard i tried to make sure it was EVERY friday? do you even see the importance in this?) and putting vids on youtube, albeit a litte late, just wasnt enough was it? nah we shoulda jus done all kinds of other **** that makes no sense instead. Why do i say it makes no sense? because anyone who wanted to play for real would have been able to notice all what we did. WE noticed what we did(i met bryan and ausp through smashboards, merkuri played with us when he was down here etc etc). We dont have any obligation to do anything else, and even if we did the type of players that would have been attracted arent the hungry ones, they would be the ones we would have to beg to come out and play. This is the truth, if you think otherwise then your just flat out wrong. we dont want to babysit anyone, we want to play the damn game. You said it yourself you met people through youtube, youtubing SMASH JAMAICA will show you our vids, and you could easily get in touch with us there.
Sinji going to apex will probably be bad for him, i agree, but not because of the reasons you think. The reason it will be bad is because he has a bad rep. He posts in the fox thread like a ******(no offense sinji, but its the truth), asking all kinds of dumb questions that make no sense at all or could have easily been answered if he would open his eyes and try to play the game properly. He does have the passion, i agree, but there is more to it than that. You know how many comments ive seen in the fox thread like "Jamaica is ****ing wierd", "Jamaica is dumb" etc etc, all because of his ******* posts. Bringing this up in this context made no sense.
You really think no one knew this about jamaica? Maybe someone does have to be the head but why is no one doing it then? Lack of passion. Why doesnt sinji try to really get **** going if he really wants to play? I agree sinji will rep for all of jamaica when he goes to america, and ill support him no matter what. Thats all anybody can do.
That's the thing i am talking about. Believe it or not, ask anyone in the bahamas. Non of us started playing smash competitively or met eachother on smashboards and i have played over 30 different ppl thus far. I found most of them, believe it or not on youtube. Heck, i just met another smasher through a friend that didn't even know about smashboards, but he only found out because i told him (Check the thread if you think i am lying)
This is how i see it. Traveling is tough, but like i said, it's something you have to find a way to make it work. Catching the bus for day time events isn't much of an effort. I think what makes the situation difficult is that you guys do everything in the nighttime, which is ok, but harder to pull off and transportation is gonna be diffuclt. Remember sinji is playing this competitively, so yes, you have to go out of your way and do the upmost to play. You're essentially taking the game to the next level. If you compete at track and field and the staduim in kingston..would you say "It's only running on a track, i am not going" come on it's more to it than that, so this is how smash is to players that compete and sinji happens to be one of them. It's very disrespectful to disregards someone else's interest in something, because your veiws are different. I used to be the sameway with shounenkel and others that traveled off, but now i understand. Eachtime they went off it was to represent the bahamas, not just themselves..it might just be a game, but it's one someone is willing to travel for and that should IMO come before anything casual.
Yeah we know, we have told a few friends about smash boards too, but none of them even joined so whats the point? Why do you think we should go out and try to beg people to play smash with us? aint the case. You seem to think there are people who truly want to play on a good level out there and we just arent reaching out to them. I think thats bull**** because anyone who really wanted to play on a good level would be scouring every thing he can to find good players. Maybe it isnt like that in the Bahamas, but it is absolutely like that in jamaica.
What are you trying to say? You make it sound like someone is holding events elsewhere and we arent going because we think its too far, or that there are people out there that want to come but cant because its at night. That isnt the true at all. We are the only players who want to play smash like this in jamaica so far. You think if someone somehow said "Come to our link up" we wouldnt have gone? And then you talk about disregarding someones interests. That is bull****, because of the fact that your saying we should drop everything so sinji is as good as he can be. We should break our necks to find new players for sinji? why doesnt he?(I know youve tried sinji, im just saying it show abcool). Hell sinji's last posts have shown he doesnt care about anyone else's interests but i guess thats ok huh cuz he plays smash? It might be just a game? Fighting games are MUCH more than "just games" to all of us except maybe bryan. We support sinji anyway we can but if bryan and ausp couldnt come out due to personal issues and me and tossy dont care for smash anymore then what do you want us to do? you make it sound like we through him in the street and beat the **** out of him cuz he wants to be good in smash.
Sorry for the late reply smashboards had maintainence issues.
Believe you me!! You are more similiar than you think my friend. All everyone here listens to is culture and dancehall, love to club and *****...alot of violence and murder. No one for one second would think to put an interest in playing a video game to any sort of level outside of casual. Not to mention the amount of robberies going down.
America isn't the country it is because ppl think different..it's because some of those ppl had to say to themselves; look this game has potential and we have to make ppl see this. There was no if, buts and ants about it either. Why do you think a person running a business has to run it with an iron fist...If you truly love something ya gotta get up, get out there and make it happen. Regardless of how you think someone will precieve it.
None of what i said is your problem i am talking directly to sinji..i feel sorry for him..he reminds me of one of our smashers named Andrew aka likeness. Lived in Freeport bahamas and was the only smasher there..if his dad didn't live in nassau(where we are at) He would have probably stopped playing sometime ago. This whole debate has been all about pity for sinji.
Making it short, either you do the upmost or you don't. You guys have far better things to do and i respect that. Bryan500, thanks for the respond and nice input on your situation. I am not gonna drag it out. An i hope sinji took notes in all of this, because he is the main audience under the circumstance.
believe me when i tell you, your wrong. We have tried reaching out to people, but it never worked. America is good precisely because of why you said it wasnt. People think different there, you best believe that. And maybe if what you said is true and they didnt think different than us, they have much more people that think alike. They have much more people that think just like us. We got up and got out there for the thing we love, and the result is we found each other(no homo) and that is a result i could personally say im content with, because atleast I know we tried hard. I dont really care if you think we didnt because we really did. I cant be content with the lack of passion though. How can i be cool with the people im playing with not being anywhere near as good as they could be? If everyone touched the ceiling out here, i would still be playing smash.
You have no reason to feel sorry for sinji. He wanted to play smash and because of circumstances he couldnt play with real people for a while. I bet if he pressed and got out there like you said he would have seen different results. Why didnt he call ausp or tbm to see if he could go and play with them? why do you feel the responsibility for people getting better relies on one person, the person you call "the leader"? That is such bull**** its not even funny. Sinji could have tried to get in touch and play some smash but he didnt. even if he didnt get to play he would have tried, yet to you its "the leader" who failed. Everybody gets good for themselves, so save your pity because im sure he doesnt want it anyways.
I can speak for myself when i say I dont have "far better things to do". If something is important to me ill make time for it no matter what, because it means something to me. Thats how you should look at it. sometimes life gives you **** but thats not the reason smash "died" out here.
and with that i answered everyone with how i feel. that was seriously gay as hell...
