The hero of Dragon Quest III, Erdrick, joins the battle!

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I don't play Dragon Quest but coming up with other characters as Spirits is sure fun
Erik::ultsonic:(Green)
Veronica::ultisabelle:(Red)
Serena::ultzelda:(Green)
Sylvando::ultsimon:(Black)
Jade::ultzss:(Blue Shorts)
Rab::ultmario:(Yellow)
Hendrik::ultike:(Black)
 

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I don't play Dragon Quest but coming up with other characters as Spirits is sure fun
Erik::ultsonic:(Green)
Veronica::ultisabelle:(Red)
Serena::ultzelda:(Green)
Sylvando::ultsimon:(Black)
Jade::ultzss:(Blue Shorts)
Rab::ultmario:(Yellow)
Hendrik::ultike:(Black)
I think Erik will be Joker.
But probably they will too bring spirits from III, IV, VIII, and probably the other heroes and some monsters.
 

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I was thinking Sonic because like everyone else pointed out, is the hair
Make sense, but I thought that Joker been a thief, having a knife, a coat and practically the same size have more in common with Erik.



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Also again I'm no Dragon Quest fan but while I appreciate the Hero's inclusion in the game, however if I were to choose a palette swap I would've chosen the female Erdrick and Sofia (DQ4 Heroine) instead of Erdrick's "Abel" (DQ5) palette swap and Solo's "Alef" (DQ1) palette swap.
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Also again I'm no Dragon Quest fan but while I appreciate the Hero's inclusion in the game, however if I were to choose a palette swap I would've chosen the female Erdrick and Sofia (DQ4 Heroine) instead of Erdrick's "Abel" (DQ5) palette swap and Solo's "Alef" (DQ1) palette swap. View attachment 229558 View attachment 229559
Not having the female versions of DQ3 and DQ4's protagonists is a huge bummer, yeah. I'm holding out for Sakurai or the Smash team maybe addressing their absence when they go over how The Hero works at a later date.

Until then I'm patiently waiting with Super Mario Maker 2 and Dragon Quest VIII 3DS to keep me busy.
 

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Not having the female versions of DQ3 and DQ4's protagonists is a huge bummer, yeah. I'm holding out for Sakurai or the Smash team maybe addressing their absence when they go over how The Hero works at a later date.

Until then I'm patiently waiting with Super Mario Maker 2 and Dragon Quest VIII 3DS to keep me busy.
Or perhaps even go far by saying, assuming Nintendo will make consoles in the near-future, let's just hope for the female variants to be added in say a hypothetical future port of Smash Ultimate.
 

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Yes, it would. If that happened, you KNOW that people would respond with "if Goku can get in as an assist trophy, why can't (insert non-video game character here)?" or "if Goku can get in as an assist trophy, then why can't he be playable in a future game?"

It seems like there wouldn't be any advantage to it.
Now would having Goku as an assist trophy in Smash 6 affect the chances although he's deconfirmed. A good trade off would be to promote Waluigi to a playable character in return.

How would fans react to having Goku as an assist trophy?
 
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Now would having Goku as an assist trophy in Smash 6 affect the chances although he's deconfirmed. A good trade off would be to promote Waluigi to a playable character in return.

How would fans react to having Goku as an assist trophy?

Negatively. At least that's my belief. As I stated last page:

Look, I love Dragon Ball to death but the moment Smash lets anyone without a game origin join is the moment everything collapses and an amazing 20 year franchise goes straight down the sewer. Sales would plummet, especially after the masterpiece that is Ultimate. Would some people still buy it?, sure but the series would forever be nothing more than a wispy shadow of what it once was.

In the "gimme gimme" world we seem to exist in now, it's very easy to forget there's such a thing as getting too much.
 
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Negatively. At least that's my belief. As I stated last page:
You're partially correct, those who support Goku, would be unsettle that he's not playable, detractors might feel a little concerned. But some detractors may be glad he's not a playable character, but he's still included in the game. Also, I've aforementioned that Goku's videogame history would also justify his reason for being an assist trophy.
 

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You're partially correct, those who support Goku, would be unsettle that he's not playable, detractors might feel a little concerned. But some detractors may be glad he's not a playable character, but he's still included in the game. Also, I've aforementioned that Goku's videogame history would also justify his reason for being an assist trophy.
Goku originated from a manga, so his history with video games, no matter how expansive, doesn’t matter. He’s an icon of manga and anime, not video games. If you want to see Goku fight Mario you can just boot up MUGEN. In my eyes there’s not much reason for him to be in other than to be a brief novelty for a moment.
 

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Goku originated from a manga, so his history with video games, no matter how expansive, doesn’t matter. He’s an icon of manga and anime, not video games. If you want to see Goku fight Mario you can just boot up MUGEN. In my eyes there’s not much reason for him to be in other than to be a brief novelty for a moment.
Kai thinks Goku can still be an AT if Sakurai doesn't want to make him a fighter. This is despite how the potential hassle for licensing him that Sakurai doesn't want to deal with will extend to any sort of appearance Goku has in the game, not just a fighter.
 

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Kai thinks Goku can still be an AT if Sakurai doesn't want to make him a fighter. This is despite how the potential hassle for licensing him that Sakurai doesn't want to deal with will extend to any sort of appearance Goku has in the game, not just a fighter.
You are right, even if Goku was just a spirit, and not an assist trophy nor playable, I would still be happy.

Goku originated from a manga, so his history with video games, no matter how expansive, doesn’t matter. He’s an icon of manga and anime, not video games. If you want to see Goku fight Mario you can just boot up MUGEN. In my eyes there’s not much reason for him to be in other than to be a brief novelty for a moment.
But assist trophies aren't playable, and they don't join the battle. Imagine how amazing it would be to see Goku appear as an assist trophy in duel between Mario and Sonic. Since assist trophies don't join the battle, it justifies why Goku can only be an assist trophy or only a spirit, but never playable. Even if fans continued to support Goku, in Smash 7, after Smash 6, Sakurai would most likely remove or retain him as an assist trophy.

Also, would having Goku as an assist trophy in Smash 6 lead to having more anime/manga assist trophies?

In fact, Goku and Mario actually had a minor crossover in a SNES commercial prior to the release of Smash 64.

 
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Let's get back on topic. I keep hearing people say that we may get Hero sometime this week because of some French video and another update or something? How do we know a Smash update is on the way?
 

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In the tweet they hinted at something about hero. I think we're at least getting a trailer this week and joker and plant both came out on Wednesday. So a trailer tomorrow and Wednesday release is possible.
 

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You are right, even if Goku was just a spirit, and not an assist trophy nor playable, I would still be happy.


But assist trophies aren't playable, and they don't join the battle. Imagine how amazing it would be to see Goku appear as an assist trophy in duel between Mario and Sonic. Since assist trophies don't join the battle, it justifies why Goku can only be an assist trophy or only a spirit, but never playable. Even if fans continued to support Goku, in Smash 7, after Smash 6, Sakurai would most likely remove or retain him as an assist trophy.

Also, would having Goku as an assist trophy in Smash 6 lead to having more anime/manga assist trophies?

In fact, Goku and Mario actually had a minor crossover in a SNES commercial prior to the release of Smash 64.

Say it with me now:
Goku. Is. Not. A. Video. Game. Character.

It doesn't matter whether or not assist trophies are playable when, like the playable cast, they are all FROM VIDEO GAMES. Smash is a celebration of gaming. Not. Manga. That's the end of the story.
 

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But assist trophies aren't playable, and they don't join the battle. Imagine how amazing it would be to see Goku appear as an assist trophy in duel between Mario and Sonic. Since assist trophies don't join the battle, it justifies why Goku can only be an assist trophy or only a spirit, but never playable. Even if fans continued to support Goku, in Smash 7, after Smash 6, Sakurai would most likely remove or retain him as an assist trophy.

Also, would having Goku as an assist trophy in Smash 6 lead to having more anime/manga assist trophies?

In fact, Goku and Mario actually had a minor crossover in a SNES commercial prior to the release of Smash 64.
I don’t have to imagine it because I already know what all his moves would potentially be and they’re all already in smash between different characters. This is mainly because Dragon Ball barely has any original moves. The pose for the Kamehameha wasn’t even original either. Hero himself does the same pose in the trailer:
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Again, if you want to see Goku fight Mario, boot up MUGEN:
 

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I don’t have to imagine it because I already know what all his moves would potentially be and they’re all already in smash between different characters. This is mainly because Dragon Ball barely has any original moves. The pose for the Kamehameha wasn’t even original either. Hero himself does the same pose in the trailer:
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Again, if you want to see Goku fight Mario, boot up MUGEN:
For curiosity's sake, where was Kamehameha pose seen before DB?
 
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I don’t have to imagine it because I already know what all his moves would potentially be and they’re all already in smash between different characters. This is mainly because Dragon Ball barely has any original moves. The pose for the Kamehameha wasn’t even original either. Hero himself does the same pose in the trailer:
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Again, if you want to see Goku fight Mario, boot up MUGEN:
Holy ****! That's amazing! That move already looked DBZ-ish enough (specifically like Frieza's planet killer, but even more so in the DQ games) but doing the Kamehameha pose is icing on the cake!
 

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For curiosity's sake, where was Kamehameha pose seen before DB?
Several martial arts techniques actually have poses akin to the Kamehameha. A couple examples would be Tae Kwon Doe’s “Taesan-milgi” and Okinawan karate’s “Sanchin”.
 

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Several martial arts techniques actually have poses akin to the Kamehameha. A couple examples would be Tae Kwon Doe’s “Taesan-milgi” and Okinawan karate’s “Sanchin”.

I wouldn't say those are the same pose. They have a few similarities, but many differences. I think you're being super broad.
 
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I think Chinese Shaolin Kung-Fu has a Dragon style which uses a lot of “kamehameha” palm strikes.

I’m not 100% sure as my martial arts knowledge might be rusty.
 
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Say it with me now:
Goku. Is. Not. A. Video. Game. Character.

It doesn't matter whether or not assist trophies are playable when, like the playable cast, they are all FROM VIDEO GAMES. Smash is a celebration of gaming. Not. Manga. That's the end of the story.
I've always known that Goku isn't a video game character, which is why he would still be included in the game as an assist trophy, but never as a playable character. Thus including Goku as an assist trophy could be better than nothing. I've known that Smash is a celebration of gaming. But I don't think having Goku as an assist trophy would affect the chances of him being playable. He would still be deconfirmed all long.
 
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I've always known that Goku isn't a video game character, which is why he would still be included in the game as an assist trophy, but never as a playable character. I've known that Smash is a celebration of gaming. But I don't think having Goku as an assist trophy would affect the chances of him being playable. He would still be deconfirmed all long.
Why are you acting like Assist Trophies aren't video game exclusive?

Everything in Smash originates from video games and related mediums, not just playable characters. Goku can't get in Smash as a Mii costume, Spirit, trophy or item because he's created as a manga character. It shouldn't be that hard to understand this.
 

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I've always known that Goku isn't a video game character, which is why he would still be included in the game as an assist trophy, but never as a playable character. Thus including Goku as an assist trophy could be better than nothing. I've known that Smash is a celebration of gaming. But I don't think having Goku as an assist trophy would affect the chances of him being playable. He would still be deconfirmed all long.
Why are you acting like Assist Trophies aren't video game exclusive?

Everything in Smash originates from video games and related mediums, not just playable characters. Goku can't get in Smash as a Mii costume, Spirit, trophy or item because he's created as a manga character. It shouldn't be that hard to understand this.
I..... think what we're trying to say is, although there's probably more than a few people who might not mind *insert non game originating character here* as an assist trophy, the vast majority of Smash players would be against it. So while I know you mean no harm and your opinion is fair to have, it's not gonna gain much ground on these boards and will tend to anger people before it convinces them to agree.

Anyway, who knows? Anything can happen so dream if you want, just be ready for those who might push back if you bring it up :)
 
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The only non-videogame stuff that we ever got in Smash were those Goldeneye items in Melee which got censored in Japan as Perfect Dark ones anyway.

But yeah, Goku won’t ever be an assist trophy.

That sillyness beside, I wonder if Erdrick and the other heroes will release this week.
 

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I'm just saying if you obssessively propose Mario to be a support character in a Jump game, people are going to react negatively because it doesn't fit to what the game is about. Same thing here, adding manga content to a video game crossover makes no sense just because it's not as a playable role.

Sorry for going off-topic, by the way.
 

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The only non-videogame stuff that we ever got in Smash were those Goldeneye items in Melee which got censored in Japan as Perfect Dark ones anyway.

But yeah, Goku won’t ever be an assist trophy.

That sillyness beside, I wonder if Erdrick and the other heroes will release this week.
Were they even really GoldenEye items in the first place? They were always classified moreso as Smash series items and their designs in later games reflects this. Taking inspiration from the Goldeneye games for item ideas may have happened, but they've always just been smash items to me.
 
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We're they even really GoldenEye items in the first place? They were always classified moreso as Smash series items and their designs in later games reflects this. Taking inspiration from the Goldeneye games for item ideas may have happened, but they've always just been smash items to me.
Exactly.

And that's why I think they don't really count too, besides the fact they got changed to Perfect Dark ones in Japan.
 

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Why are you acting like Assist Trophies aren't video game exclusive?
It's because the Goldeneye motion sensor bomb, originated from a non-video game franchise (with significant videogame history). And Goldeneye has been left without any playable characters So thus, I believe that Goku can still be an assist trophy and leave Dragon Ball without any playable characters. Same goes with Hatsune Miku.
 
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It's because the Goldeneye motion sensor bomb, originated from a non-video game franchise (with significant videogame history). And Goldeneye has been left without any playable characters So thus, I believe that Goku can still be an assist trophy and leave Dragon Ball without any playable characters. Same goes with Hatsune Miku.
The plans to Goldeneye elements inclusion was in a time were Smash wasn't that defined as a "game about games" and it was more like a place were Sakurai put the things he finds fun that Nintendo had the rights for. Also the Proximity Mines was made by Rare and are present in Perfect Dark too, so the original Motion Sensor Bomb could count more as a Perfect Dark item in the current Smash context, but since Brawl MSB was reworked as a Smash Original.
No character without a origin in some kind of game media will be part of Smash even if they are important to gaming history. It's a Smash thing. I doubt that even other media exclusive characters like those from Kirby's anime would ever make as Spirits, even they appearing in a Kirby's spin-off. Ash-Greninja is a special case, as it is just a form of a already existing game-original character and was fully implemented in the main series games already.
In Miku's, Vocaloid's case the thing is more gray, a bit just like Digimon. Vocaloid originated as a music synthesizer program, that can arguably be a virtual toy, like Digimon that originated from a Tamagochi-like toy. Considering that Game&Watch is categorized as a Virtual Toy too, I think those could be counted as Videogames too.
Now days both are prominently featured in solid game franchises as Digimon World/Stories and Project Diva, leaving both as more firm game characters, and owned by the respective game companies Bandai and Sega. So, that's a slim and debatble, but palpable chance for Miku, but more likely a Mii Costume. Same thing I would say to ,as an example, Agumon, but something make me think that some form of Digimon content is more plausible as it is more similar to the type of toy that G&W was.

To not only be negative on you, I think that maybe a character originated from a game of a already existing franchise could have a chance, although in my honest opinion I think it's really low as it would be almost without any content from it's home series, to be in Smash in some form. So I would say that it's more healthy to you expect Shallot or 21 in Smash then Goku. But as I said, keep it low.
 
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It's because the Goldeneye motion sensor bomb, originated from a non-video game franchise (with significant videogame history). And Goldeneye has been left without any playable characters So thus, I believe that Goku can still be an assist trophy and leave Dragon Ball without any playable characters. Same goes with Hatsune Miku.
They re-designed those items and now also re-classified them as items from Smash and not Goldeneye. Plus, the items aren’t exactly Goldeneye originals, as in the concept of invisibility cloaks and land mines isn’t exactly a trademark of Goldeneye. Unlike Goku who is, uh, Goku. It’s not really the same.
 
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