The Guaranteed Gentlemen

[xDARKLINKx]

Alright i found one that works 100% of the time if done right, it has a shield which isnt really a problem, it is my favorite and probably the most reliable way to do it, its the one that SS uses. It requires no rythm and you can do it at any speed although the slower you do it the easier the timing of the Z button is.

To do it at full speed you press A A A as fast as you can and then hold Z immediately after the last A, about like 1/3 of a second, its not A+Z because of the gay way the Z button is it takes a little longer for the game to register it. A good way to time it is to do A A A and then press and hold Z right when he lifts his foot off the ground or right when the knee hits, just play with it to get it right, its more feeling it than seeing it.


I still have no idea how isai does it though, no sheild no crouching and its full speed.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Sorry but this is well-known. You can press the Z-button during the lag of any attack (or anything, really) and it will go to the light-shield as soon as the ending frames finish.

This *is* a problem though, because it prevents you from comboing from the gentleman.

Are you sure SS uses this method? From the videos I've seen it looks like he just uses AAA but has good timing.

As for the timing, the only thing that matters is the timing between the second and third hits of A (or Z, if you don't keep holding Z), so you can vary the rhythm considerably.

 

[froz3ntear]

SS uses AAZ and holds Z. To do the gentlemen at full speed with no shield is simply AAA... no special secrets or tricks or anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zag5CW99b6A

I do 4-5 in this vid and don't miss a single one... at full speed.

 

[Silent Wolf]

i do A A Z and dont hold anything and its preeetty fast

 

[g-regulate]

i can only do gentlemens like barely 50% of the time, and i beat azen

 

[xDARKLINKx]

lol g reg that is such a good point, its not needed to be good but its still a good move.

 

[Rage.]

I still have no idea how isai does it though, no sheild no crouching and its full speed.

Isai I just way to good

 

[froz3ntear]

lol g reg that is such a good point, its not needed to be good but its still a good move.

It may not be needed... but you can say that about anything... the simple truth is that the more moves you're capable of doing, the more options you have against your enemies and the stronger your character is.

In my opinion... I think the gentlemen is really useful... its allowed a lot more options for me... the ability to followup a gentlemen after an nair or stomp and run right after to a knee or grab or gentlemen than pivot fsmash or run through and turn around and grab.

I don't know what I'd do without it especially against space animals.

Of course, it all depends on what kind of style you play... some can depend on the gentlemen, some people don't need it... I think its the coolest move cf has... my favorite combination is 1 jump double uair too gentlemen... tap...tap... TAP TAP TAP. It's music to my ears.

 

[xDARKLINKx]

wow man relax, your getting a little too wet over yourself.



but no you cannot say that about anything, are grabs not needed, are aerials not needed, are knees not kneeded??


gentlemen is very useful yes, and it feels good using it, but someone could easily win a match or a set without using it once.

 

[froz3ntear]

but no you cannot say that about anything, are grabs not needed, are aerials not needed, are knees not kneeded??

I'm just saying, the more options you have available to you, the better.

edit: haha i didn't realize you were romeo in socal. We should cf ditto if you're ever in norcal... any chance you'll be here for the may 5th biweekly? I saw you're matches with hugs... quite scary.

 

[Vall3y]

its a matter of style i guess. one falcon uses lots of gentlemen while another doesnt feel he needs it. its never bad knowing how to do it though.
I used to think its all superstition but it does seem the method you stated is the most successful.

 

[TheManaLord]

gentlemen is not an essential part of any falcons moveset. EVER. wheras a majority of his other moves are. There's no point in trying to defend it, it's situational, wishy washy, and not very useful.

 

[Rage.]

I dont think gentalman is ussful for offensive attack but
I think its good for defensive

If you are getting owned on and just pull out a gentalman it will totaly stop
your opponets combo and knockthem for enough away to take a breath

other than that theres no use for it in my opinion

 

[g-regulate]

the gentlemen is definitely useful. case closed.

 

[Sinz]

G-reg beat me to it. WHY OH WHY!

G-reg, we need to do a cf ditto 25$ some time.

 

[Smooth_One]

gentlemen is not an essential part of any falcons moveset. EVER. wheras a majority of his other moves are. There's no point in trying to defend it, it's situational, wishy washy, and not very useful.

People said that about the WD too.

O_o It's an offensive alternative to dashing after you land a SHFFL. How is that not useful?

 

[TheManaLord]

because the gentlemen is limited to one character with a plethora of options



and I clearly said ESSENTIAL

 

[Smooth_One]

Well if nothing else, the Gentleman just gives you more options instead of just grabbing or dashing after a SHFFL.
One could say that if he has a plethora of options, NOTHING would be essential. But one would be wrong I suppose.

lol I saw that you said essential; I never said you didn't. However, just like the WD, the Gentleman can be very USEFUL if you get it down.

Wait I just noticed this...

Alright i found one that works 100% of the time if done right

Well yep, that would makes sense. =P

 

[Burr]

do you need to connect the first 2 hits with this one? or can i hit nothing with the first 2 hits and then still get the gentleman. cuz i believe with the a a a+z you need to connect the first 2 hits.

 

[Smooth_One]

You only have to connect with one of the first two hits I think, with any type of Gentleman.

 

[froz3ntear]

gentlemen is not an essential part of any falcons moveset. EVER. wheras a majority of his other moves are. There's no point in trying to defend it, it's situational, wishy washy, and not very useful.

but it seems like when you say "gentlemen" you think of it as one of the basic movesets... you can't compare the gentlemen to a grab, knee, or uair... the gentlemen is more like a combo... like uair to knee, or stomp to knee, or throw to knee...

I do it everychance i get... there are times when i can't find a move to kill a space animal... because bair and knees are slow to come out and they don't give me a situation to uair... so I nair, jab jab knee (gentelmen) and that usually hits them far off the stage to finish them off.

Also like doing it to peaches/floaties then running right after to a knee.

and with my way of thinking... any move helps... so like smooth_one said... if nothing else, it still provides another option.

in the match i posted... the 2nd and 4th stock depended on the gentlemen and the match would've been extended without it... though of course its not "essential" since there are many other ways to kill an opponent... but every option helps.

You only have to connect with one of the first two hits I think, with any type of Gentleman.

I think you only need to land the first punch, and you don't have to even LAND the punch... It seems like it works even if the person side dodges, as long as the first punch WOULDVE hit... kind of weird...

 

[TheManaLord]

k I know of all those things and I gentlemen all the time. I'm not opposed to it I'm just saying it's not that amazing xD

 

[froz3ntear]

haha yeah. I wasn't implying that you didn't know these things, just pointing them out.. I like this topic... everyone so far seems like reasonable logical smashers with slightly different viewpoints... Thats why we all chose cf right? cause hes the best.


.... right? haha.

 

[thechunkylover]

I can do it, no pauses. It's A A A. First 2 got to hit. On last one do foward smash but backwards ( facing left go right vice versa ) hold till gentleman is done. That only works sometimes.

The otherone I found out was the same thing but during gentleman, shield. The shield doesn't need to be timed, almost always works.

 

[technomancer]

G-reg, I'll give you $25 if you play me ok?

lol

Anyway, I do the gentleman alot, and people are always like wow how did you do that nice gentleman! I'm always confused because it's SO EASY YOU PRESS A 3 TIMES. I've never practiced it or anything, and I don't use it as a strategy, and I often do it because I accidently jabbed twice instead of jab->grab.

 

[Dice]

A way I've found to work after messing around is A, A, Z, A. The Z and last A are done quite quickly, almost like fox's wavedash speed, or a jump cancelled grab. No lightshield comes up and you can do it at full speed.

 

[Tom]

A way I've found to work after messing around is A, A, Z, A. The Z and last A are done quite quickly, almost like fox's wavedash speed, or a jump cancelled grab. No lightshield comes up and you can do it at full speed.

Okay, after trying many different ways of finding my gentlemen, I read this and decided to try it, and its working 100% for me. Dice described the timing perfectly as like a jc'ed grab. YAY!

 

[Shai Hulud]

A way I've found to work after messing around is A, A, Z, A. The Z and last A are done quite quickly, almost like fox's wavedash speed, or a jump cancelled grab. No lightshield comes up and you can do it at full speed.

Doesn't work. There is no guaranteed gentleman without light-shield.

 

[Dice]

Doesn't work. There is no guaranteed gentleman without light-shield.

Then you must be doing it wrong.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Then you must be doing it wrong.

I don't see how. I tried it many times as described, varied the timing for the Z to A. It only works if the AA Z is done with a certain timing, like any gentleman.

 

[thechunkylover]

Doesn't work. There is no guaranteed gentleman without light-shield.

I can do it, no pauses. It's A A A. First 2 got to hit. On last one do foward smash but backwards ( facing left, smash right and vice versa ) hold till gentleman is done.

The otherone I found out was the same thing but during gentleman, shield. The shield doesn't need to be timed, almost always works.

Anyone going to try this? It works if you do it right. I've never missed a gentleman with this technique.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Doesn't work.

 

[TheManaLord]

Anyone going to try this? It works if you do it right. I've never missed a gentleman with this technique.

Doesn't work, I use A + A + (A+Z) and I've never missed a gent either, but does that mean it works 100% of the time for everyone? No. It doesn't.

 

[TheManaLord]

Actually, what Dice is likely describing is A + A + (A+Z), a lot of people are just ignorant of the lag time for Z button input in relation to A button input.

 

[Dice]

Doesn't work.

I'm beginning to think you are just bad at doing gentlemens no matter what the method >_>

The timing for A A Z A, doesn't matter what the timing is for the first two A's, but the Z+A is quick, even if the first two A's are slower. It's pretty much the same speed as you would do a jump cancelled grab.

 

[Tyson651]

I can do it, no pauses. It's A A A. First 2 got to hit. On last one do foward smash but backwards ( facing left go right vice versa ) hold till gentleman is done. That only works sometimes.

The otherone I found out was the same thing but during gentleman, shield. The shield doesn't need to be timed, almost always works.

this technique seems to work the best for me, nice one.

i still dont get dice's technique, it doesnt seem to work.. i havent even got it down once yet in a few minutes of continuously trying.

edit: about thechunkylover's technique, u dont have to press backwards, u can press forwards, downwards, upwards, its all the same. thanks again chunkylover!

 

[Dice]

Make sure you let go of the z button quickly, and all three parts need to hit for it to work properly. It's hard to describe by just using words >_<

 

[Tyson651]

OH, NOW IT WORKS LOL

but, its so hard to let go of the z button so quickly lol, i use the inside middle of my pointer finger to press it, rather than the tip of my finger.

hmm.. if i want to get it most of the time, i have to hold it differently :/

i like the technique where i dont have to press a direction.. but i cant let go of z very quickly with my pointer finger overlapping the whole z button..

but using the direction is SO EASY, like ridiculously easy, no need for good timing for it.

but anyways, everyone has their own preferences, and as long as someone is happy with a certain technique, and can do it well, then all the joy to that person.

if no techniques work, or u just cant do them, either u gotta practice, or just dont do the gentlemen lol.

 

[Shai Hulud]

I'm beginning to think you are just bad at doing gentlemens no matter what the method >_>

The timing for A A Z A, doesn't matter what the timing is for the first two A's, but the Z+A is quick, even if the first two A's are slower. It's pretty much the same speed as you would do a jump cancelled grab.

Actually I'm good at doing gentlemens. But I have to time it right. These "guaranteed" methods are bogus. Make a video of your method working with arbitrary timings and I'll believe you.

 

[Dice]

I could make a video, but I don't have the time for it and don't want to put the effort forth. It works perfectly fine for me and from what I've read, a few other people in this thread. I don't really need to prove anything to you, because you're just bad.