The Graveyard: Disconfirmed Character Thread (SAKURAAAAAAAAAI!)

[Aurora Jenny]

Yes, yes, ****ing yes. Dinosaurs was a great show.

Anyone who though Tortimer had a chance should be dragged out into the street and shot - he's retired for a reason. He's ANCIENT, He's UGLY, I don't know which is worse! I might just split a seem now if i don't die laughin' first!

Heihachi Mishima from Tekken is the only old dude who still fights.

Nice one with the Oogie Boogie song line. Honetsly, I wouldn't pcik him either.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

With the exception of Nintendog, all the characters with graves in that picture hould get a star to signify the notability of their disconfirmation. I mean, the likes of Waluigi, Toad and Ashley being disconfirmed is a different scenario from the likes of Torimer and Lubba, considering that the likes of the former three were characters that either had notable support, chance or both.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Can we add Fat Little Mac?

 

[Deleted member]

Can we add Fat Little Mac?

Don't you mean BIG Mac?

In any case, it's not worth it. No one was pulling for Big Mac and it's not like anything was disconfirmed. If anything, it just helped characters like Takamaru, Lip, and Captain Rainbow. Maybe an honorable mention?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Don't you mean BIG Mac?

In any case, it's not worth it. No one was pulling for Big Mac and it's not like anything was disconfirmed. If anything, it just helped characters like Takamaru, Lip, and Captain Rainbow. Maybe an honorable mention?

Look at the OP.

No more honorable mentions.

 

[Spire]

Heihachi Mishima from Tekken is the only old dude who still fights.

Ganondorf is hundreds of years old ca. TP and WW.

 

[Deleted member]

Look at the OP.

No more honorable mentions.

Oh… whoops. My bad.

Still though, I don't think it's worth it. I guess he could be added in the graveyard, but it's still Little Mac. I mean it's not as bad as let's say Dr. Mario, a veteran, getting disconfirmed. I guess that will be up to APC.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Oh… whoops. My bad.

Still though, I don't think it's worth it. I guess he could be added in the graveyard, but it's still Little Mac. I mean it's not as bad as let's say Dr. Mario, a veteran, getting disconfirmed. I guess that will be up to APC.

We have Conductor Link up there. Why not Fat Little Mac?

 

[Curious Villager]

Eh I guess so. Besides if Paper Mario or Doctor Mario get disconfirmed we would probably put them in the graveyard too...

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Fat Mac deconfirmed...

 

[soviet prince]

Fat Mac deconfirmed...

blame wii fit trainer

 

[Sahfarry]

Was Toon Link ever in the graveyard? Like when people thought he was deconfirmed because of his appearance in the spirit tracks stage.

blame wii fit trainer

aaaaaannddd this is my favorite post of the day...

 

[Curious Villager]

Was Toon Link ever in the graveyard? Like when people thought he was deconfirmed because of his appearance in the spirit tracks stage.

Nah this thread was made sometime after this whole Spirit Train stage debacle happened and he was confirmed to stay so (Wind Waker) Toon Link was never here.

 

[FalKoopa]

Eh, I find adding Big Mac a bit pointless. Whatever.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Also, from what I understand, calling him Big Mac is considered to be copyright infringement, as that's the name of a signature burger from a fast food place.

 

[APC99]

Can we add Fat Little Mac?

Eh, I find adding Big Mac a bit pointless. Whatever.

A split fanbase. HMMMM...

Also, from what I understand, calling him Big Mac is considered to be copyright infringement, as that's the name of a signature burger from a fast food place.

I was just using it as a nickname/joke, but if needed I'll change it to Not-So-Little Mac.

Or I'm-big-boned Mac.

 

[Sahfarry]

if needed I'll change it to Not-So-Little Mac.
Or I'm-big-boned Mac.

This is genius XD haha this only on the border of copyright infringement lol

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

What about Clemont?

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

I wouldn't say we can count Clemont out until we know for sure how Luminose City functions as a stage and what parts of the city or prism Tower will appear. It would be pretty cool for a Gym Leader to make a background cameo though.

 

[APC99]

I wouldn't say we can count Clemont out until we know for sure how Luminose City functions as a stage and what parts of the city or prism Tower will appear. It would be pretty cool for a Gym Leader to make a background cameo though.

I'm confused, Clemont appears in the Luminose City stage?

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

Naw. It's just that the gym for Luminose City is located in the Prism Tower, which means we may see Clemont appear.

 

[APC99]

Naw. It's just that the gym for Luminose City is located in the Prism Tower, which may mean we may see Clemont appear.

Sorry, I haven't played X/Y yet, so I really had no idea.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Saria still doesn't have a description....

 

[APC99]

Saria still doesn't have a description....

Yeah, I'm still working on it, 6-week grades are due now, plus my musical practices, so I haven't got around to finishing descriptions for some characters, or adding Leila. It's being worked on right now.

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

Sorry, I haven't played X/Y yet, so I really had no idea.

As have I. Just looked at Bulbapedia for reference.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Sorry, I haven't played X/Y yet, so I really had no idea.

To save you some trouble, Clemont is the gym leader for Lumiose City. He specializes in Electric-type Pokemon, with his signature partner being a Heliolisk.

 

[andimidna]

That's a lot of deleted comments on the Miiverse. I really feel sorry for Sakurai for having to deal with a lot of obnoxious trolls and idiots, while having injured hands to top it off. I really hope he'll be okay.

On what post are there deleted comments?

Also... is Saria really deconfirmed?

She'll never be playable no matter what, but still, is she?

 

[Opossum]

On what post are there deleted comments?

Also... is Saria really deconfirmed?

She'll never be playable no matter what, but still, is she?

Yep. She was first shown as a Trophy on the 3DS version.

 

[andimidna]

Yep. She was first shown as a Trophy on the 3DS version.

But don't playable characters have trophies too?

 

[Opossum]

But don't playable characters have trophies too?

She was revealed as a trophy first. Sakurai explicitly stated that if the character didn't get a page on the website when shown, they're not playable. Therefore, due to her first appearing as a random trophy, it can be concluded that she's deconfirmed.

 

[andimidna]

She was revealed as a trophy first. Sakurai explicitly stated that if the character didn't get a page on the website when shown, they're not playable. Therefore, due to her first appearing as a random trophy, it can be concluded that she's deconfirmed.

Ok, thanks.


EDIT: from the OP
"with good examples being the highly-requested Mega Man, Villager and Little Mac, and the opposite side being Skull Kid, Ashley and Waluigi. No matter the outcome, it's now fact that it will never be "Waluigi Time" in Smash Bros. for the Wii U/3DS."

I'm pretty sure Rosalina was more requested than Villager, Ashley, and Waluigi.

 

[APC99]

Ok, thanks.


EDIT: from the OP
"with good examples being the highly-requested Mega Man, Villager and Little Mac, and the opposite side being Skull Kid, Ashley and Waluigi. No matter the outcome, it's now fact that it will never be "Waluigi Time" in Smash Bros. for the Wii U/3DS."

I'm pretty sure Rosalina was more requested than Villager, Ashley, and Waluigi.

Villager was highly requested in Japan, if I have my facts right. Ashley and Waluigi's fanbases have been around much longer than Rosalina's, and have seniority. They're just examples, though.

 

[Sahfarry]

Villager was highly requested in Japan, if I have my facts right. Ashley and Waluigi's fanbases have been around much longer than Rosalina's, and have seniority. They're just examples, though.

Villager was a pretty popular desired character in the US, too. I remember people would refer to him as "Animal Crosser". I still do on accident. Sometimes I think that popularity has less to do with consideration for Smash rather than relevancy in the character's respective games (or movies, which I believe is why Pichu was in Melee). Joke characters and retro revivals excluded.

 

[andimidna]

Villager was a pretty popular desired character in the US, too. I remember people would refer to him as "Animal Crosser". I still do on accident. Sometimes I think that popularity has less to do with consideration for Smash rather than relevancy in the character's respective games (or movies, which I believe is why Pichu was in Melee). Joke characters and retro revivals excluded.

Yup. I remember when I put Animal Crosser on my hand-drawn rosters...
Rosalina, Little Mac, and Megaman were on ALL of my rosters.
I even once had Rosalina's slot called "Rosalina and Lumas"
I was only one 's' away, so close

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

And now I'm about to see why we don't have anymore "honorable mentions". I still suggest that only for characters that had a notable support to this game may qualify to the "graveyard" if disconfirmed or relocated to non-playable role.

Speaking of Big Mac BTW, I dunno where to put these but:

Spoiler

• アシストさんそのに | どろ [pixiv]

• 参戦！ | どろ [pixiv]

So cool. I had to yet ever see someone draw Saki in Ruffian-form in anything ever.

 

[andalsoandy]

Yoshi Disconfirmed.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

More like Snake confirmed not to return:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/14/kojima-open-to-snake-returning-in-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u

Some may dispute, but consider the following:

1. Kojima personally is involved with all things Metal Gear. He is privy to all licensing agreements involving Snake.
2. If an agreement had already been made for Snake being in smash 4, Kojima's statements here would be not just misleading but outright lying. He wouldn't outright lie when he could just give "no comment".
3. The game is late in development, and it's way too late to add a character. If Snake isn't already in, he isn't going to be added in at this point. I'm not entirely sure Kojima understands this point (he also apparently tried to get Snake into Melee at the 11th hour), but I think we can all agree on this point regardless.

Put together, I'd say it's thoroughly conclusive that Snake isn't coming back. Someone who definitely would know directly confirmed it. Snake should be added to the list in this topic.

Snake's return was a long shot in the first place looking back, but he was a very well liked character either way so it's a shame to see him go. This also marks the first formerly playable character confirmed not to return, hopefully the start of a very short list.

 

[Deleted member]

I say that we wait until something happens before jumping the gun and say that Snake is cut.
I don't think that we can outright say that Snake is done just yet. I remember a ton of people say that Ness was cut after the "there was once a boy named Ness" quote on Lucas's Specials posts during Brawl.

I'm not saying that I think Snake will return (I rather have him not), but he still has a chance, albeit a small one.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I say that we wait until something happens before jumping the gun and say that Snake is cut.
I don't think that we can outright say that Snake is done just yet. I remember a ton of people say that Ness was cut after the "there was once a boy named Ness" quote on Lucas's Specials posts during Brawl.

I'm not saying that I think Snake will return (I rather have him not), but he still has a chance, albeit a small one.

I mean, those people were being silly since that post actually implied Ness's return and people just couldn't read.

This is different though. Kojima isn't implying that Snake isn't back. He outright explicitly confirmed Snake is, as of today, not in smash 4. There's no ambiguous language here; he was very clear on this point. Unless you believe a character might still be added now before the game comes out, which I think is quite a radical thing, it's a confirmation Snake isn't back assuming we can trust Kojima to know about Snake which is also just a given.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, those people were being silly since that post actually implied Ness's return and people just couldn't read.

This is different though. Kojima isn't implying that Snake isn't back. He outright explicitly confirmed Snake is, as of today, not in smash 4. There's no ambiguous language here; he was very clear on this point. Unless you believe a character might still be added now before the game comes out, which I think is quite a radical thing, it's a confirmation Snake isn't back assuming we can trust Kojima to know about Snake which is also just a given.

One could say that Kojima is covering up his act so that people can have hope that Snake will return, thus making his return more triumphant. If we were to assume that Kojima is staying true to his word and Snake isn't in the game, then the payoff isn't worth it in my eyes; you got one popular veteran back, but at the possible cost of other popular veterans getting cut and other newcomers not making it in the final product.
Hype can be a rather dangerous game in this field… I guess we will have to wait and see either in April or at E3.