The Gentleman - A Guide To Cancel Those Nasty Rapid Punches

[jmic]

The Gentleman

Okay, so we've been getting many, many, many threads asking about how to cancel Falcon's neutral A rapid punches. My friends, this vital technique is called "The Gentleman." I'm not sure why it's called that, or who called it that, but that's what it is.




How It's Done

There are actually several ways that The Gentleman is performed. We currently don't have enough information as to how or why each way works the way they do. But for informational purposes, I shall list them here.



The Isai Gentleman

A A A

You must hold the last A while performing your next action. That is, as you see the third hit connect, do something (like run or jump) while holding A, in order to cancel the rapid punches. Also, the first two hits must connect.

Variations - Instead of holding the last A you can space out the time between button pushes. For example, A (pause) A A or A A (pause) A. This technique requires you to have good timing.

Superdoodleman's frame data for the "timings":
A, 20 frames, A, 21 frames, A

The SilentSpectre Gentleman

A A Z

You must hold Z until the light shield pops up. From here you can either jump out of the shield, or roll, or continue shielding. This also requires the first to hits to connect.



The Darkrain Gentleman

A A A+Z

This does not require you to hold buttons (confirmation?), but the first two hits still need to connect.




Uses

The main thing I tend to use this technique for is to prevent grabs. For example, you kneed someone who was shielding. Taking advantage of the shield stun (and assuming you SHFFLed correctly), you could perform The Gentleman to prevent a shield grab.

However, if you predict your opponent to shield all the hits, you're better off with the rapid punches.


Notes

There have been several occasions where I know the first punch didn't hit, but the second one did hit and I was still able to perform The Gentleman. I will take a look into this and update this thread as new information comes by.

Also, I think everyone should learn both techniques as they lead into different things. The Isai Gentleman, I feel, is much faster because you aren't limited to roll, shield, or jump. However, it is also a bit harder to perform consistently because if you let go of A too soon, you'll definitely get the rapid punches. The SilentSpectre Gentleman, on the other hand, will always let you know that you did it correctly because the light shield will pop up.

Oh, and I know that Isai and SilentSpectre may or may not have invented those techniques, but they definitely made those methods popular in their videos. Just check out my video thread!

All feedback is appreciated. I wrote this thread so people who don't know what to search for won't post new threads. There has been too much of this lately, .





Disclaimer:

There really are so many ways to do this, you just need to find the way that's most comfortable and effective for you. Furthermore, we don't have any frame data to help us decide which way is faster, more easily cancelled, etc. This guide is just to help people search for The Gentleman more easily, as they won't know to actually search for "The Gentleman" in the first place.

 

[RedYoshi92]

sounds accurate.This should be stickied.

 

[cyberdemon]

This must be stickied so people stop asking about the gentleman.

EDIT: I think the gentleman can be done without light shielding, or connecting the first 2 hits.

The method I use, you press A, A, wait a little bit, then A again.

That way you don't have to connect the first 2 hits.

 

[jmic]

The thing, though, with the waiting method is that it leaves you open and vulnerable. The Isai and SS ways are nearly, if not, at spammable speeds.

 

[irealyhatepozers]

i just tap A 3 times and don't hold anything. i can do it pretty consistantly and its at the "spammable speed" and i can do it without hitting someone but its harder for me. its also harder for me when i'm just trying to practice it. i just kinda did it one day and yea, never really practiced it.

 

[Vall3y]

i never heard about the isai gentleman. what does holding a for the next move means?
theres also the timing gentleman, which is jab jab, wait, knee.
i find the SS gentleman the most consistent

 

[TheManaLord]

A-A-(A+Z)

put it in NOW

 

[Rage.]

Isai's gentleman is way to pro

 

[DamaGe]

Nice little guide you have here.. lol

 

[metroid1117]

A-A-(A+Z)

put it in NOW

That's how Darkrain does it; I'm surprised that it wasn't on there.

 

[TheManaLord]

yes which is why the faq is wrong in saying there are "two ways" of doing it. a-a-(a+z) is one of the most beloved and guaranteed gentlemens around. ADD IT

 

[technomancer]

Superdoodleman's frame data for the "timings":
A, 20 frames, A, 21 frames, A

It's much slower than the other two, but I do it consistantly. It should be noted that CC wrecks the gentleman in all 3 forms.

 

[ZoSo]

AAZ can be done without light shield and is, in my opinion, the best way.

EDIT: While the Gentleman can prevent shield-grabbing (as can a normal jab) some players will wait for the full three hits then shield-grab you. In this case, you'd want the rapid punches. Just thought I should mention that. Just because you can do the Gentleman doesn't mean you should every chance you get.

 

[Lorcl678]

I think the Isai Gentleman (A+A+A no hold) is the fastest way to Gentleman.

 

[halfDemon]

I don't think we can quite make a guide for the Gentleman, or at least not yet.

There are simply so many methods to do it, and so many variations of each message, and too little knowledge of how and why and when they work or not to post a guide.

If you are going to make a guide, at least give ALL of the known information for EVERY known method. Give every variation, frame data, when and how, the works.

For example, A A A can be done by holding the last A, pausing before the last A, no pause or hold, pausing between all of the A's, etc. The first two hits usually have to connect, but not always. Maybe only the second hit, maybe none at all but it's just easier to time when hitting someone. Who knows?

The point is, I don't think we're quite ready to make a guide. And if yous still choose to do so, make sure you compile as much information as possible from all credible members who would know or want to help, instead of just making a quick "Here's the two ways to do this" scrap. I'm not trying to insult you or your work, but understand that we simply don't know enough.

Also, I'm pretty sure the manual calls this "The Gentleman".

 

[TheManaLord]

Thank you for the much needed post halfDemon.

 

[Drecker]

+1 for sticky to stop stupid threads.

 

[hova]

you don't have to connect with anything for the AAA

 

[CPTNfalcon]

Why is this move so hard for everyone to do? I do it with A-A-(A+Z) and never fail unless I miss 1 of the first 2 jabs. Btw the way SS does it is the crappy way, it makes it harder to combo out of it because of the few frames from the light-shield.

 

[Redd]

I use A-A-(A+R) >_>

 

[RapeFalcon]

I don't think we can quite make a guide for the Gentleman, or at least not yet.

There are simply so many methods to do it, and so many variations of each message, and too little knowledge of how and why and when they work or not to post a guide.

If you are going to make a guide, at least give ALL of the known information for EVERY known method. Give every variation, frame data, when and how, the works.

For example, A A A can be done by holding the last A, pausing before the last A, no pause or hold, pausing between all of the A's, etc. The first two hits usually have to connect, but not always. Maybe only the second hit, maybe none at all but it's just easier to time when hitting someone. Who knows?

The point is, I don't think we're quite ready to make a guide. And if yous still choose to do so, make sure you compile as much information as possible from all credible members who would know or want to help, instead of just making a quick "Here's the two ways to do this" scrap. I'm not trying to insult you or your work, but understand that we simply don't know enough.

Also, I'm pretty sure the manual calls this "The Gentleman".

Yea this shouldn't be stickied or a guide because we don't know why it happens and how many ways their are to pull off the gentleman.

Why is this move so hard for everyone to do? I do it with A-A-(A+Z) and never fail unless I miss 1 of the first 2 jabs. Btw the way SS does it is the crappy way, it makes it harder to combo out of it because of the few frames from the light-shield.

LOL I really don't know why so many falcons find this hard to do. Just press A-A-(A+Z) IMO the best and fastest way to do it without light-shield lag, but you have to hit with the 2 jabs. The only way I see SS's way good is because he can roll because of the light-shield.

Edit: @ Redd, never heard that one

 

[irealyhatepozers]

actually sometimes i push L, to sort of "L-cancel" it. haha its just out of habit though, dunno if it actually does anything.

 

[jmic]

Yeah, I wasn't looking for a sticky or anything, but like, I just want to make it easier for people to search for it; people completely new to Falcon won't know to search for "The Gentleman."

 

[Hax]

I use A-A-(A+R) >_>

action replay, cheater..

wow when will this be stickied, 1/5 of the falcon board topics concern the gentleman, this would clear up a LOT of confusion.

jmic definitely makes good posts. o.O

 

[jamminjohn]

eProps and Kudos to Jmic. This isn't a complete guide but is very useful.

It seems that SS Gent will be useful if you need to jump right after or if they block all of it and you need to roll right after. Isai gent is useful if you want to dash right after because it's a little awkward to jump while holding A.

 

[JonaDiaper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdQAiWsRqoA

this is the way!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rage.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdQAiWsRqoA

this is the way!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now do it so that it seems your button mashing fast

 

[jmic]

Bump for great measure. =]

 

[RaynEX]

ty for bumping it. I understand it now, and I'll try to implement it into my CF game.

 

[Balloon]

I just want to add that you can actually gentleman by pressing down after the first two hits that connect and then doing the third hit. I'm not exactly sure on the timing, but I've tested it before many times and it seems to work consistently.

Actually I think you're supposed to hit down right after the knee itself instead of after the second punch. XD

 

[ZoSo]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=113744

Just pay attention to the first couple posts and ignore all the dumb stuff afterward.

 

[Bullet Bill]

Or you could just buy the PAL version and press A three times

seriously though, I think you may as well mention that it's only a problem in NTSC in PAL it really is as simple as- press A three times for the gentleman. Press A four times for the rapid punches. There are people from other countries that come on the site

 

[Mars-]

Wait, can't you do the Isai way but instead of holding A you hold Z? Wouldn't that be a lot easier if you can do it that way?

 

[jmic]

Then it wouldn't be the Isai Gentleman, would it? =]