Social The Gates of Hell: Bayonetta Social Thread

[pikazz]

I respect her nerfs. the nerf on Witch Time doesnt appear that much unless you spamming it.
the Heel slide extra frames doesnt hurt either, its just making it more of a punishment tool than a approach tool.
the smashes kills little later with 2-5% but not huge.

the only thing that did ****ed me was DAir FAF ;-; but I still respect it

 

[deepseadiva]

I'm not fully understanding the nerfs. Witch Time has shorter slow down time and is more punishable?

And Heel Slide has more lag...? Is that gonna affect combos

 

[Ya Boy Evee]

I'm not fully understanding the nerfs. Witch Time has shorter slow down time and is more punishable?

And Heel Slide has more lag...? Is that gonna affect combos

From what I understand, heel slide is not punishable on sheild before if u space it correctly. With more endling lag, it is a lot easier to punish on sheild now. You have to use Witch Time wisely due to the shorter slow time and yes the end lag of witch time is longer so if it whiffs, the opponent has more time to punish. Dair has also increased ending lag, so you'll have to short hop on stage before

Tbh, the change doesn't affect bayo in general, you just have to use ur tools more wisely instead of spamming/mashing in hopes of it'll work.

 

[Skyfox2000]

So, how long does it take for Witch Time to fully refresh now?

 

[C3CC]

Hello Bayonetta mains! So I bought Bayonetta yesterday and I have to say: I LOVE HER! She's just so freaking fun to use, and she has so much potential! I'm thinking of adding her to my already big group of mains (which you can see in my signature).

You'll see me here often now because I'll come to ask some things, as I still don't fully understand her. Her recovery, for instance, is one thing I'm still trying to figure out.

See you! Take care, everyone!

 

[Skyfox2000]

Hello Bayonetta mains! So I bought Bayonetta yesterday and I have to say: I LOVE HER! She's just so freaking fun to use, and she has so much potential! I'm thinking of adding her to my already big group of mains (which you can see in my signature).

You'll see me here often now because I'll come to ask some things, as I still don't fully understand her. Her recovery, for instance, is one thing I'm still trying to figure out.

See you! Take care, everyone!

When recovering use Witch Twist > Double Jump > Witch Twist again. Also Throw in a few Afterburner Kicks into the mix. Bayonetta has one of the best recovery's in the game.

 

[Lorde]

If possible, make sure to use Bayo's wall cling to your advantage, too. The jump you get from it is basically a second double jump.

Speaking of which, there's a technique that if you do witch twist>double jump and then immediately witch twist, you don't actually use your double jump and you can use it again. It's invaluable for recovering if you can get it consistently. I'm sure there's also a way for it to be worked into combos.

 

[BJN39]

Anyone here wanna help me out and provide me a new cover image for the Bayonetta data thread? The one I have atm is meh.

Spoiler: About this size...

Also with this amount of character magnification tbh. Think something awesome and Bayonetta-like ^_^

and preferably of Bayo 1 bayonetta because I'm biased <333

 

[Lorde]

Anyone here wanna help me out and provide me a new cover image for the Bayonetta data thread? The one I have atm is meh.

Spoiler: About this size...

Also with this amount of character magnification tbh. Think something awesome and Bayonetta-like ^_^

and preferably of Bayo 1 bayonetta because I'm biased <333

@D3RK

 

[Skyfox2000]

So, me and my friend played Smash Brothers yesterday. He plays a pretty good , and sometimes I play and . Yesterday I beat him in a match it was Wii Fit Trainer vs Bayonetta. I play a pretty good Bayonetta I know all her combos and stuff. I got an amazing Witch Time punish and killed him off the top. When I best him he started to get so salty saying OP Bayo and she was Broken and she was the best character in the game. He then started to say that he thought that he thought she was a pretty easy character to pick up. Which I disagree because I think not anyone can pick her up it takes some pratice. He doesn't play Top Tiers. I just thought I would share this because I thought it's funny how everyone will get so salty against Bayonetta. He doesn't know how to DI the combos she does lol.

 

[Funbot28]

So, me and my friend played Smash Brothers yesterday. He plays a pretty good , and sometimes I play and . Yesterday I beat him in a match it was Wii Fit Trainer vs Bayonetta. I play a pretty good Bayonetta I know all her combos and stuff. I got an amazing Witch Time punish and killed him off the top. When I best him he started to get so salty saying OP Bayo and she was Broken and she was the best character in the game. He then started to say that he thought that he thought she was a pretty easy character to pick up. Which I disagree because I think not anyone can pick her up it takes some pratice. He doesn't play Top Tiers. I just thought I would share this because I thought it's funny how everyone will get so salty against Bayonetta. He doesn't know how to DI the combos she does lol.

It's always like that... People need to learn the MUs that's all.

 

[Lorde]

But Bayonetta is possibly the best character in the game now that Sheik got nerfed. It's between her, Rosalinda, and Cloud.

 

[Funbot28]

But Bayonetta is possibly the best character in the game now that Sheik got nerfed. It's between her, Rosalinda, and Cloud.

Tbh it's her. Rosa is amazing and has strong potential to be #1, but lack of proper representation besides Dabuz and hard learning curve limits players picking her up and actually doing stuff with her. Cloud is also amazing, but has slightly worse MUs compared to Bayo and Rosa.

 

[pikazz]

cloud between those 3 are sadly the easiest one to play which sucks

 

[Lorde]

All of them have pretty low skill floors.

Cloud is literally one of the easiest characters to pick up, it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to combo with Bayo, and Rosalina is just uthrow>uair and jab stuff.

However, Bayo and Rosalina both have higher ceilings (Rosalina moreso imo).

 

[Ghidorah14]

People are saying bayo is the best character in the game now, and to be perfectly honest, I dont see why that is such a huge deal. I think it's high time we had a new #1 anyway.

At least it'd be a character people actually love and adore, as opposed to one people just pretend they do (like seriously, who the hell actually likes sheik? lmao).

 

[ぱみゅ]

The best characters are rarely used out of sheer love for them.

 

[BJN39]

When someone becomes the best like Sheik no one likes them.

I think around release people really liked Sheik. Her new moves and changes were cool and powerful. iirc Sheik left Brawl not unpopular, just underused because she wasn't as good.

Of course only moments later people realized basically all of those changes were crazy as heck and she got nerf b**** slapped. Then we got 1.0.4-1.1.4 Sheik whose optimal gameplay evolved into lamer play to win because they neutered all her kill moves.

Then she got b**** slapped again and they actually managed to nerf her out of 1st place in many minds.

Bayonetta is cool and fun, and a fresh breath for top tier, but that freshness is gonna run out and people are gonna hate to fight ha. They pretty much already do since we're a knee-jerk community lmao. I expect if patches really are still around that she'll receive another wrist slap.

 

[Ingoro]

Hi guys, after seeing Bayo's potential at a tournament last weekend I'm interested in picking her up as a secondary or at least learn how to some extend. Can you guys point me in the right direction where I should start off?

 

[pikazz]

Hi guys, after seeing Bayo's potential at a tournament last weekend I'm interested in picking her up as a secondary or at least learn how to some extend. Can you guys point me in the right direction where I should start off?

first learn how her neutral work, later learn how to recover and baiting and last but the biggest is learn to combo with her

 

[Sonicninja115]

Can someone send me an invite for the Discord?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Has anyone ever wondered what it would be like to see Bayonetta equipped with the Glider and Sprinter bonus effects? She'd feel almost like another Zero Suit Samus.

Air speed: 0.97 * 1.25 -> 1.2125
Run speed: 1.6 * 1.3 -> 2.08

Of course, Bayonetta would only run as fast as Greninja while equipped with the Sprinter bonus effect, but she will be a bit faster in the air than Wario with the Glider bonus effect. Walk speed would still be below average though.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Give her Smooth Lander and she'd be good to go; and she wouldn't do bad with negative Attack values and being all for Speed.

 

[ElMoro995]

This is one of the videos of me playing in a recent tournament (there is a playlist on YT), I got 1st but I need some advice: what to do when the opponent is at kill%? I start spamming bairs, in order to shield pressure the opponent and trying to shieldstab, but even if it's safe, it's a too predictable strategy...

 

[Otterz]

If we Bat Within from an Air Dodge and land on the ground, do we suffer the lag from Air Dodging to the ground? I can't test right now, but this is a small detail I've been wondering about.

 

[Spirst]

If we Bat Within from an Air Dodge and land on the ground, do we suffer the lag from Air Dodging to the ground? I can't test right now, but this is a small detail I've been wondering about.

Yes. If you land on the ground from Bat Within air dodge, you'll suffer landing lag frames.

 

[LegendOfZeldaNut]

Something that made me crack up. Earlier in this thread you were joking about Bayonetta having a tier that no one else could hope to attain, well with all this Bayo drama, and all the Sheik and ZSS nerfs. I think that may actually happen. Now don't get me wrong, she is no Brawl Meta Knight, but I do see it maybe happening. If it does I vote to call it Platinum Tier, seeing as how that is the hardest rank to attain in the Bayonetta games. Also, I think that banning Bayo would be the dumbest move the competitive sm4sh scene has ever made. Is she powerful, yes, does she need a nerf, yes. But I think that as more people learn the MU, she won't be quite as nuts. Also, it's only March, give the competitive scene some time to adapt before you start with the banning.

 

[PK Gaming]

Thought i'd share this with you all

(hahaha, oh man)

Source

 

[Amiracle]

So with my current controller set up it's near impossible for me to do short hop fastfalling up airs. Does anything think I'll be ok, or does bayonetta rely on that a lot?

 

[WondrousMoose]

Wow, the Sheik board was never filled with this much hate. I kinda feel bad for you guys. Sure, I hate Bayonetta as a fighter, but this is rough.

 

[LegendOfZeldaNut]

I think the hate is a combination of 2 things. First off, she was DLC, so anyone who didn't want Bayo feels cheated that their character didn't make it. Please keep in mind that not everyone did this (I wanted Banjo and Kazooie but I was happy for the Bayo fans) If you were mature, thank you. Then, when she turned out be just a little OP, everyone who didn't want her started complaining. I am willing to bet that if she had been in from the start she would not have as much hate.

 

[PK Gaming]

Wow, the Sheik board was never filled with this much hate. I kinda feel bad for you guys. Sure, I hate Bayonetta as a fighter, but this is rough.

It's no big deal.

The sexiest, take no-nonsense, badass queen ***** of gaming is in Smash Bros. I can deal with people getting mad because Bayonetta is in Smash.

 

[Silvera]

Huh. Four months ever since and they're all still not over it? That's surprisingly sad.

 

[HoSmash4]

Whats the use of bayonetta dthrow?

 

[Lorde]

you can get people to kill themselves if they optimally di for fthrow but you use dthrow instead

 

[ElMoro995]

Whats the use of bayonetta dthrow?

With no/bad DI dthrow combos with upair against Yoshi and Samus and idk if it works against other characters too. If the DI is bad, uair connects even at kill%

 

[Buddhahobo]

It's no big deal.

The sexiest, take no-nonsense, badass queen ***** of gaming is in Smash Bros. I can deal with people getting mad because Bayonetta is in Smash.

Definitely another reason she's hated, though; she won the Smash Ballot. Anyone who still can't acknowledge that their own choice was not actually being as popular as they thought it was just seems to translate into Bayo-hate.

And Tetra >>>>> Sheik

 

[BJN39]

Give her Smooth Lander and she'd be good to go; and she wouldn't do bad with negative Attack values and being all for Speed.

If you gave Bayonetta smooth lander her NAir would have 5F landing lag and BAir would have 6F.

Then if you rebalanced her damage stats, they'd literally be like, +1/3 on block OOS.

helP.

 

[Brickbuild101]

Ever since I got Bayonetta, she's been almost all I use and immediately became my go-to character over the ones I've been playing since day one. That's not wrong, is it?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Definitely another reason she's hated, though; she won the Smash Ballot. Anyone who still can't acknowledge that their own choice was not actually being as popular as they thought it was just seems to translate into Bayo-hate.

And Tetra >>>>> Sheik

Sometimes you have to ask if the Smash Ballot was rigged and a waste of time; in other words, Bayonetta was going to be in the game, regardless of the amount of valid votes for the other valid choices.