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The Frostbite 2017 Discussion Thread

|RK|

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It's literally our worst MU. It's Mario's too, despite superior mobility. In either case, MikeKirby is a little better vs Sonic. It's easier if you never ever approach.

Some friendlies with 6WX taught me that directly lol.
 

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Tsu just outplayed Tweek there lol
 

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doubles WFs is Kameme/Aba vs. Ryuga/Salem

huh
 

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Top 48 Round 1 Predictions

ZeRo > Ned
KEN > Dabuz
Nairo > WaDi
Mr. E > Captain Zack
MKLeo > Kameme
Tsu- > VoiD
Shuton > Seagull Joe
Komorikiri > Salem

Abadango > Rayquaza07
Blacktwins > ZD
Rich Brown > LOE1
Smasher1001 > Komota
Deathorse > SuperGirlKels (She's struggled with Mewtwo before)
Zinoto > Mistake
DarkAura > Taranito
Kirihara > DarkShad
Chrim Foish > Black Yoshi
Ranai > Ally (T would've beat Ranai ;~; )
MVD > Ozone
Nom > NAKAT
Ryuga > Xane
Fatality > BreaD
Some > Zephyr
 
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Predictions!
ZeRo :4diddy: > :4cloud2: Ned
Dabuz :rosalina: < :4sonic: KEN
Nairo :4zss: > :4mewtwo: WaDi
Mr. E :4marth: <:4bayonetta: Captain Zack
MKLeo :4marth::4cloud2: > :4megaman: Kameme
VoiD :4sheik: <:4lucario: tsu
Seagull Joe :4sonic: < :4olimar: Shuton
komorikiri :4cloud2::4sonic: < :4bayonetta: Salem

Losers:
Rayquaza07 :rosalina: < :4mewtwo::4metaknight: Abadango
Blacktwins :4cloud2: < :4fox: ZD
Rich Brown :4mewtwo: >:4luigi: LOE1
Komota :4kirby: < :4mario::4megaman:smasher1001
Tweek :4cloud2: > :4olimar: Myran
SuperGirlKels :4sonic: > :4mewtwo: Deathorse
Zinoto :4diddy: > :4zss: Mistake
tatanito :4ness: < :4greninja: DarkAura
Kirihara :rosalina: > :4ryu: DarkShad
Black Yoshi :4bayonetta: >:4diddy: Chrim Foish
Ranai :4villager: > :4mario: Ally
MVD :4diddy: > :4duckhunt: Ozone
NAKAT :4fox: > :4sheik: Nom
Ryuga :4corrinf: > :4metaknight: xane
Fatality :4falcon: > :4zss: BreaD
Some :4greninja: > :4cloud2: Zephyr
 

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Top 48 Round 1 Predictions

ZeRo > Ned
KEN > Dabuz
Nairo > WaDi
Mr. E > Captain Zack
MKLeo > Kameme
Tsu- > VoiD
Shuton > Seagull Joe
Komorikiri > Salem

Abadango > Rayquaza07
Blacktwins > ZD
Rich Brown > LOE1
Smasher1001 > Komota
Deathorse > SuperGirlKels (She's struggled with Mewtwo before)
Zinoto > Mistake
DarkAura > Taranito
Kirihara > DarkShad
Chrim Foish > Black Yoshi
Ranai > Ally (T would've beat Ranai ;~; )
MVD > Ozone
Nom > NAKAT
Ryuga > Xane
Fatality > BreaD
Some > Zephyr

You really want to see Bayo lose hard here don't you?
 
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Is this sarcasm or a clever joke or you just don't see which way the arrows point lol
???
I see TDK thinking that Salem, Captain Zack, and Black Yoshi will lose.
Unless you think TDK thinks Ned's beating Zero?
 
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OOOOOOOHHHHHHH that's TDK's

Looked like ShadowGuy's lmao my b
 

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To Clarify:
I can't see BY beating Chrim. Chrim's a solid Diddy and I don't think there are any Diddies on that level in MD/VA. The other two could go either way though.
 

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My top 48 predictions:

ZeRo :4diddy: > :4cloud2: Ned
Dabuz :rosalina: > :4sonic: KEN
Nairo :4zss: > :4mewtwo: WaDi
Mr. E :4marth: < :4bayonetta: Captain Zack
MKLeo :4marth::4cloud2: < :4megaman: Kameme
VoiD :4sheik: <:4lucario: tsu
Seagull Joe :4sonic: < :4olimar: Shuton
komorikiri :4cloud2::4sonic: > :4bayonetta: Salem

Losers:
Rayquaza07 :rosalina: < :4mewtwo::4metaknight: Abadango
Blacktwins :4cloud2: > :4fox: ZD
Rich Brown :4mewtwo: >:4luigi: LOE1
Komota :4kirby: < :4mario::4megaman:smasher1001
Tweek :4cloud2: > :4olimar: Myran
SuperGirlKels :4sonic: > :4mewtwo: Deathorse
Zinoto :4diddy: > :4zss: Mistake
Taranito :4ness: > :4greninja: DarkAura
Kirihara :rosalina: > :4ryu: DarkShad
Black Yoshi :4bayonetta: <:4diddy: Chrim Foish
Ranai :4villager: > :4mario: Ally
MVD :4diddy: < :4duckhunt: Ozone
NAKAT :4fox: > :4sheik: Nom
Ryuga :4corrinf: > :4metaknight: xane
Fatality :4falcon: > :4zss: BreaD
Some :4greninja: > :4cloud2: Zephyr

I think Some vs Fatality is pretty much guaranteed to be a 3-2 set. That set's gonna make me tense as hell. I think Taranito vs Darkaura, MVD vs Ozone (I know MVD plays Duck Hunt himself, but I still think Ozone can surprise him a bit), and NAKAT vs Nom are gonna be really close.

If Some somehow gets to top 16 and Ryuga beats him there, I'm gonna be so mad lol.
 

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my predictions:
ZeRo > Ned
KEN > Dabuz
Nairo > WaDi
Captain Zack > Mr.E
MKLeo > Kameme
Tsu- > VoiD
Shuton > Seagull Joe
Salem > Komorikiri

Abadango > Rayquaza07
Blacktwins > ZD
Rich Brown > LOE1
Smasher1001 > Komota
SuperGirlKels > Deathorse
Zinoto > Mistake
taranito > DarkAura
Kirihara > DarkShad
Chrim Foish > Black Yoshi
Ranai > Ally
MVD > Ozone
NAKAT > Nom
Ryuga > Xane
Fatality > BreaD
Some > Zephyr
 

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Crews starting.

tsu vs. Tweek up first.

Team Japan:
komorikiri :4cloud2:
Ranai :4villager:
KEN :4sonic:
Kameme :4megaman:
Abadango :4mewtwo:
Kirihara :rosalina:
Shuton :4olimar:
T :4link:
tsu :4lucario:
Some :4greninja:

Team USA:
ZeRo :4diddy:
Nairo :4zss:
Ally :4mario:
Dabuz :rosalina:
Tweek :4dk:
VoiD :4sheik:
Zinoto :4diddy:
Salem :4bayonetta:
Mr. E :4marth:
WaDi :4mewtwo:
 
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He probably though his Cloud would suffice

But honestly Tweek's DK is far and away the best I've seen. No shade to HIKARU/DKWill but jesus
 

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God this is ****ing awful lmao
 

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Japan needs Kie to win this

Kie's clutch factor saved them the last time
 
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Damn, y'all really expecting Komota to lose to Smasher1001? Mega Man isn't a bad MU for Kirby, you know. It's even... though Kameme thinks Mega Man loses.
 

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Ranai saved the day. 1 stock difference now

but Salem is out so lol gg
 

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How Japan won this I will never know.

But I'll take it though
 
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Nairo could have won if he went Zero Suit Samus.

I truly believe that.
 

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Didn't Komo beat Nairo last time they played?
I think so, but wasn't it closer than this?

Also...

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Johns?
 

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Didn't Komo beat Nairo last time they played?
well, in terms of set record Nairo still has the lead by...1-2 sets I think. Nairo has beaten Komo a bunch of times with ZSS in the past. I think Nairo just needs to 100% dedicate time to the character.
 

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I wasn't watching so what happened?
Team USA got a lead early on, but team Japan slowly brought it back over the second half. It ended up at 3 stocks left with Komo against Nairo, who went Bowser for whatever reason. Komo then destroyed Nairo.
Also, Tweek went Donkey Kong.
 
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Winners Round 1
ZeRo :4diddy: > :4cloud2: Ned
Dabuz :rosalina: < :4sonic: KEN
Nairo :4zss: > :4mewtwo: WaDi
Mr. E :4marth: < :4bayonetta: Captain Zack
MKLeo :4marth::4cloud2: < :4megaman: Kameme
VoiD :4sheik: <:4lucario: tsu
Seagull Joe :4sonic: < :4olimar: Shuton
komorikiri :4cloud2::4sonic: > :4bayonetta: Salem


Winners Quarters
ZeRo :4diddy: > :4sonic: KEN (It's going to be really close though, honestly can go either way imo)
Nairo :4zss: > :4bayonetta: Captain Zack
Kameme :4megaman: > :4lucario: tsu
Shuton :4olimar: < :4cloud2: komorikiri


Losers Round 1 (33rd)
Rayquaza07 :rosalina: < :4mewtwo::4metaknight: Abadango
Blacktwins :4cloud2: > :4fox: ZD
Rich Brown :4mewtwo: >:4luigi: LOE1
Komota :4kirby: > :4mario::4megaman:smasher1001
Tweek :4cloud2: > :4olimar: Myran
SuperGirlKels :4sonic: > :4mewtwo: Deathorse
Zinoto :4diddy: > :4zss: Mistake
Taranito :4ness: < :4greninja: DarkAura
Kirihara :rosalina: > :4ryu: DarkShad
Black Yoshi :4bayonetta: >:4diddy: Chrim Foish
Ranai :4villager: > :4mario: Ally
MVD :4diddy: < :4duckhunt: Ozone
NAKAT :4fox: > :4sheik: Nom
Ryuga :4corrinf: > :4metaknight: xane
Fatality :4falcon: > :4zss: BreaD
Some :4greninja: > :4cloud2: Zephyr


Losers Round 2 (25th)
Abadango :4mewtwo: > :4cloud: Blacktwins
Rich Brown :4mewtwo: > :4kirby: Komota
Tweek :4cloud: > :4sonic: SuperGirlKels
Zinoto :4diddy: > :4greninja: DarkAura
Kirihara :rosalina: > :4bayonetta: Black Yoshi
Ranai :4villager: > :4duckhunt: Ozone
NAKAT :4fox: < :4corrinf: Ryuga
Fatality :4falcon: > :4greninja: Some


Losers Round 3 (17th)
MKLeo :4marth::4cloud: > :4mewtwo: Abadango (Tough to call, but I can see Aba taking it)
VoiD :4sheik: > :4mewtwo: Rich Brown
Seagull Joe :4sonic: < :4cloud: Tweek
Salem :4bayonetta: > :4diddy: Zinoto
Ned :4cloud: < :rosalina: Kirihara
Dabuz :rosalina:> :4villager: Ranai
WaDi :4mewtwo: > :4corrinf: Ryuga
Mr.E :4marth: > :4falcon: Fatality


Losers Round 4 (13th)
MKLeo :4marth: > :4sheik: VoiD
Tweek :4cloud:< :4bayonetta: Salem
Kirihara :rosalina: > :4olimar: Dabuz
WaDi :4mewtwo: > :4marth: Mr.E

Losers Round 5 (9th)
KEN :4sonic: > :4cloud: MKLeo
CaptainZack :4bayonetta: > :4bayonetta: Salem
tsu :4lucario: > :rosalina: Kirihara
Shuton :4olimar: > :4mewtwo: WaDi

Top 8

Winners
ZeRo :4diddy: vs :4zss::4cloud::4bowser: Nairo
Kameme :4megaman: vs :4cloud::4sonic: komorikiri

Losers
KEN :4sonic: vs :4bayonetta: CaptainZack
tsu :4lucario: vs :4olimar: Shuton
 

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I'm doing my predictions round-by-round

ZeRo :4diddy: 3-0 :4cloud2: Ned - ZeRo vs. Cloud gg lol
Dabuz :rosalina: 3-2 :4sonic: KEN - It'll be their 4th set and Dabuz is decently close whenever he goes Olimar. Has to happen at some point, I'll call it here - 4 sets is how long it took Mr. R to adjust to Kameme, and that was very narrow.
Nairo :4zss: 3-1 :4mewtwo: WaDi - Nairo's just a better player but WaDi will probably tag him
Captain Zack :4bayonetta: 3-2 :4marth: Mr. E - Top 48s unusually have an unexpectedly close set. This seems like a pretty even set.
MKLeo :4marth: 3-2 :4megaman: Kameme - Neither player has serious match-up experience here. Could go either way, but MKLeo is the better player.
tsu :4lucario: 3-2 :4sheik: VoiD - VoiD looked awfully shaky in Pools/Crews. He needs an adjustment and while he's decent at killing I think Lucario's aura and tsu's proficiency at setups will win him a set.
Shuton :4olimar: 3-2 :4sonic: Seagull Joe - Seagull has Logic experience. People are going to say that the Olis are on different levels (they are) but wifi training vs. Scizor clearly helped him with T. I think Shuton will win but this'll probably be close.
Salem :4bayonetta: 3-0 :4cloud2: komorikiri - We only saw one stock in crews and I think Salem will break his "day 2 curse" thing and just roll everybody in his path.
 

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yeah but there's a difference between adapting to some close games and adapting to getting completely washed...also ken has shuton exp. i would not anticipate dabuz beating ken here.
 

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losers bracket predictions

Abadango :4metaknight: 3-0 :rosalina: Rayquaza07 (33rd) - lmao
Blacktwins :4cloud2::4mario: > :4fox: ZD (33rd)
Rich Brown :4mewtwo: > :4luigi: LOE1 (33rd)
Komota :4kirby: > :4megaman::4mario: Smasher1001 (33rd)
Tweek :4cloud2: 3-1 :4olimar: Myran (33rd) - Myran is insanely good so I think he'll nab a game.
SuperGirlKels :4sonic: > :4mewtwo: Deathorse (33rd)
Zinoto :4diddy: > :4zss: Mistake (33rd)
Taranito :4ness: 3-1 :4greninja: DarkAura (33rd) - Sucks that this'll be offstream tbh.
Kirihara :rosalina: 3-0 :4ryu: DarkShad (33rd)
Black Yoshi :4bayonetta: > Chrim Foish :4diddy:(33rd) idk lol
Ranai :4villager: 3-1 :4mario: Ally (33rd) - Ranai in losers isn't too great but I think he'll probably roll Ally. This will be sad either way :/
MVD :4diddy: 3-0 :4duckhunt: Ozone (33rd) - Pretty sure MVD has solidly beaten Ozone before.
Nom :4sheik: > :4fox: NAKAT (33rd) - Calling this. It'd be a pretty big upset and Nom is actually really good. Could happen.
Ryuga :4corrinf: > :4metaknight: Xane (33rd) - Could go either way, Xane will probably be the best USA MK by the end of the year. Put tsu through the wringer, nearly sent him to losers- amazing at conversions and pressure.
Fatality :4falcon: 3-0 :4zss: BreaD (33rd) - Fatality vs. mid-level players is usually free for him. He has a good shot of making top 16 since i think he can feasibly beat Mr. E/Zack.
Some :4greninja: > :4cloud2: Zephyr (33rd) - MD/VA is hard countering Japan so far and MD/VA dooooes have Techei but I'd be legit surprised if Zephyr won. He's not bad but Some is probably used to fighting Clouds at that level.
 

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Zinoto 3-0 Mistake
Abadango 3-1 Rayquaza07
Kirihara 3-0 DarkShad
Rich Brown 3-1 LOE1
 

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I don't wanna trash on Ally or anything. But I kinda hate him so much when he spams Up Smash so much. It's like that move is carrying him
 

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Deathorse 3-0 SGK
DarkAura 3-1 taranito
smasher1001 3-1 komota
Blacktwins 3-1 ZD
Black Yoshi 3-0 Chrim Foish
 
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