The Fourth Triannual [Symphony of Scales] - A Robin-Only Tournament

[Blakexd9]

I couldn't make it to the last one, might as well do it this time.

Name: Blakexd9
NNID: Blakexd9
Color Robin: Default Female

 

[Zareidriel]

@ Matsushi You are right on time!

Yeah, it came in yesterday.

.....could you explain the whole stage selection thing for this to me though? Never been to a tournament before so I'm not really familiar with that.

Sure thing. Once you find your opponent in the Chatroom, compare your "Seed number". These are semi-arbitrary numbers that will appear next to your name on the Challonge bracket. The player with the lower number (A.K.A, the "higher seed") will strike the first neutral stage. Meaning that stage will not be played on in the first match.

The player with the HIGHER number (A.K.A, the "lower seed") will then strike the second and third neutral stage. Those stages will also not be played on in the first match.

Finally, the original player (the "higher seed") will choose the stage to be played on.

For example, Player 21 and Player 17 fight in the first round. Player 17 is the higher seed, and strikes first. He chooses to strike Battlefield. Player 21 then strikes Town + City and Delfino Plaza. Player 17 then chooses between Final Destination and Dreamland. He chooses Final Destination. (Miiverse and Omegas may only be chosen via counterpick)

Once that game is over, you enter the Counterpicking stage. The winner of the first game will choose to ban 4 stages of the available 14. The loser than chooses one of the remaining 10 stages to fight on for Game 2.

For example, let's say Player 17 wins the first game. He bans Wuhu Island, Kongo Jungle, Luigi's Mansion, and Windy Hill Zone (arguably the four jankiest stages). Player 21 then chooses Final Destination. Because this is a Counterpick, he may choose Omega Colesium, or any other Omega, instead of the actual Final Destination.

Once game two is over, if the same player did not win both games, the Counterpicking stage is repeated for Game 3.

Did that make sense? Do you have any questions?

EDIT: Chatroom and Bracket links will be made available tomorrow, the former about 1 hour before the tournament, and the latter about 1/2 hour before.

 

[SkarmNightmare (Brett)]

Name: [Brett]

NNID: evenet2013

Colour: Female

 

[Mr. Johan]

Nope, can't get my charger to work. Gotta get my laptop repaired.

Maybe next time. =/

NO WAIT FALSE ALARM. I'M GOOD.

 

[Zareidriel]

Once again the chatroom will be:

http://www.e-chat.co/room/76279

And hey they have our old chat from last time still there! Who woulda thunk?

 

[eyejayy]

name: eyejayy
NNID: reflet.eyejayy
color: default M-Robin//blonde F-Robin

side note: personally don't like Robin dittos but its a community event. why not?

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

Chat link currently doesn't connect for me. I suppose it may work later towards tourney start time.

 

[Zareidriel]

Hmmm...it /should/ work. Me and Raziek have been in it all morning. What kind of error is it?

30 minutes to go, sign up or get out!

 

[Mr. Johan]

Can confirm that the chat room does not work for some people. Including myself.

 

[Centicerise]

I'm having issues with the chat as well. Is the URL correct? www.e-chat.co

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

Oh no, I haven't had time to prepare for this tourney. Even throughout the week. It starts much more sooner than I had written down. 0.0

I'm debating whether or not to withdraw my entry, because I'll probably be reprimanded if I did. -,-

 

[RandomGuySheep]

Yea, I can't connect to the chat room either. :/

 

[Zareidriel]

The URL is correct. I'll find a different chatroom to use if people are having problems.

Withdraw if you want, or stay if you want, this **** is casual yo XD

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

On second thought, you wouldn't have gave us this advanced deadline if it was for people who are at in inconvenience. Sorry, but I'm not prepared to go in this time.

My motivation for this game has been on the backburner lately. A few rounds in the Robin Skype group and I realize I need to rethink how I approach my main. Yeah, can't be recorded when I'm off my game.

In any case, if there's ever a SoS III, I might be better to join in.

 

[Zareidriel]

https://us21.chatzy.com/53713743166648

 

[Zareidriel]

Sorry to see you go! With any luck, there will indeed be a SoS 3 (and 4, and 5, and 6...)

 

[Nah]

The first chatroom link worked for me when I tried it....

But this new one works too

 

[Zareidriel]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND TIME! Signups are closed, good luck to all our participants!

 

[Moydow]

Can't join the chat room

No more free spots

There are 10 spots for non-Premium Users in this free room. These free spots are currently taken by other visitors.

Please try again later. Or get immediate access by signing up* with Chatzy. It only takes a minute.

 

[Zareidriel]

Fun fact! Everyone has to sign up to the site "Chatzy" in order to proceed past the 10 users limit.

Sorry for the inconvenience. I'll host my own damn chat server next time.

 

[Matsushi]

Can't join the chat room

I'm getting the same message unfortunately.
EDIT: Nevermind!

 

[Moydow]

I'm getting the same message unfortunately.

Apparently you have to register for it. Just use a 10 minute email or something.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

I signed up and the Chatzy still says it's full
cri

 

[Zareidriel]

Sorry wolfie, I made a second chatroom, try to join this one:

https://us20.chatzy.com/19840994300203

 

[Blakexd9]

I overslept after getting the amiibo 3 pack so I just dropped out.

 

[The_Cardinal]

Since @ Zareidriel is busy for the rest of today, I will go ahead and post the challonge bracket for him and for those interested.

http://challonge.com/SymphonyofScalestheSecond

Basically top 4 were:

1. Raziek
2. Sonic Storm
3 Ignis
4. Matsushi

 

[Moydow]

Well done everyone! Now, the next big question... did anyone remember to save the replays?

 

[Janno]

omg im so sorry I totaly forgot this tournement
time zones + smashcon hype was too much for my little brain

 

[Célja]

I know this is extremely soon, but any estimate on when the next one would be? I want to make sure I can make it and knowing me I'll forget all about it until a week or two before.


Props to everyone though who entered and did well/had fun.

 

[Raziek]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxxV1LL77LufEBR34_NaeZ2yF4lHvNA1

Here's all of my matches.

 

[Zareidriel]

Well done and congratulations to all our participants! Especially to our victor @ Raziek as well as @ Mr. Johan who reset the bracket and nearly took the victory for himself!

A couple of final notes:

Send your replays to @ Moydow if you want them to be recorded in high-quality and uploaded.

Since no customs were used except some Speed Thunder (which was quite effective), I doubt we'll ever again be using custom moves for Symphony of Scales. That will also better allow us to test our strength and usage of vanilla Robin, as if it was a real tournament.

Beethoven's Third Symphony will be held, tentatively, on

SATURDAY, DECEMBER 19th @ 2:00 PM EST

In order to hopefully fit nicely between the start of winter vacation and Christmas weekend.

Train up, get strong as hell, and bring glory to the faith! See you all in 4 months!

 

[Raziek]

I strongly disagree with removing customs, especially for such a poor reason as that.

It was already known Robin really only has 1-2 useful customs, and Fire Wall isn't useful in the ditto, so why would you take the obvious one away?

 

[The_Cardinal]

I'm not sure if lack of popular use really warrants removing the option.

 

[Zareidriel]

I don't like the idea of removing choices and options, but my logic here is threefold:

1. The use of Speed Thunder is a specialized skill. It requires a seperate skill when compared to using normal Thunder, and must be trained seperately. Those more skilled with using Speed Thunder will have an advantage over those who do not. Even then, only in matches with customs allowed. The use of Speed Thunder specifically against ROBIN is also a seperate and more specialized skill, though not to the same degree as using Speed Thunder in general, the ability to know when to use it against Robin specifcally is an additional skill that must be practiced in order to compete at the highest levels of a customs-allowed, Robin-only environment.

2. It represents an additional barrier to entry, to a tournament where I can tell players are already uncomfortable with participating if they do not feel they are strong enough. I believe we could agree that a Robin using Speed Thunder in a Robin ditto has an advantage over one that does not. I'm not saying that it is a better move, but in this situation, the advantages it grants (interrupting the opponent's Thunder Tome charging, for example, with your own sped-up "Thunder") make it basically a REQUIREMENT when fighting in a customs-allowed, Robin-only environment. When facing a casual Robin player, rather than a more fanatical Robin user/main who has practiced using her customs, the casual Robin player is at a disadvantage. I believe we should allow those with strong fundamentals, even if they're not a Robin specialist, to have a shot at competing in the Symphony of Scales. Of course, the Robin specialist will obviously have other advantages, but I do not believe they need to be accentuated any further than they already are.

3. Legitimacy. Sure we sometimes use some funky stages, but the tournament is otherwise legitimate. 3 stock, 8 minutes, no items. The strategies, combos, and techniques you have learned (with the new Arcthunder, for example) should work the same way they would work in a real tournament. Someone who has fought other Robins in tournaments, even if they main another character, should expect to be able to use the same defensive skills they learned fighting Robin in a legitimate scenario. They shouldn't be expected to adapt and learn new defensive skills and timings on-the-fly. And someone who has practiced their Arcthunder combos extensively shouldn't be expected to throw that training away because the work they have done is now somewhat overruled by the quickness of a custom move they never before had to or were interested in using.

4. Speed Thunder was the only custom move used. At least by anyone that made it in the top 8. (Not that all players in the top 8 used it, but I believe most of the top placers used it, including the #1 tournament champion) Me allowing the move would be more like "SPEED THUNDER ON" instead of "CUSTOMS ON". The original intention of the custom moves were to add some variety. Not to force anyone's hand.

Sorry if the points got a little blended together, but they do all relate to one another.

If Custom Moves become popular at large in the Smash 4 professional tournament scene I would consider revising the ruling.

 

[Nah]

Idk, couldn't we just like, alternate between customs on and customs off? Make the next SoS be customs off and then the one after that be customs on again?

 

[Zareidriel]

That is certainly possible, and was the original plan. Especially if that'a what the people want. Maybe I'll run a poll before SoS 4. Regardless, it will definitely be off for SoS 3, as per the original plan.

 

[Raziek]

Your reasons are literally all garbage but I don't see you changing your mind.

 

[Matsushi]

I don't believe Speed Thunder gives people the upper hand against others who don't use it. There are ways around it, but simply requires a lot more patience rather than regular thunder.

In addition, it is a Robin tournament, therefore people should initially practice the ditto with Speed Thunder if they were expecting a large amount of players to be using said custom.

That said, I certainly don't mind the idea of alternating between customs being on and off each tournament. I'm pretty much cool for anything.

 

[Zareidriel]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Raziek. I believe my reasons are true and legitimate but you entitled to your slightly offensive opinion =P It will come down to the opinion of the masses rather than just yours or mine however.

Good points Matsu. I'd prefer to alternate if peple are cool with that. And if I get enough objections to having SoS 3 without customs we'll put em back on. Maybe a poll before each one is in order?

 

[Mr. Johan]

Quick note: I ran Thunder+ for a few choice stage counterpicks. I did not use only Speed Thunder.