#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
You're a strange one.
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The Founding of D Gamesia - Game over? Who scum wins reigned supreme in DGames?
- Thread starter #HBC | Gorf
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Purple
Hi guys!
Nabe re-read my previous post
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
This? What about it?
Purple
Hi guys!
Yes, now look at sword's post. Do explain the posts you said were scummy/town
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Like I said in 720, I'll get to those later today.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
So I just prodded, like, a buncha people. Just count 48 hours back from this point and see who hasn't posted. I prodded all of them... K, cool.
Purple
Hi guys!
*looks at watch*
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
So, Sir Swords the Ex-King-ness, what thinkest thou about your beheading?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Sorry again, I was out all yesturday with friends. Same with toDay, and I'm about to go out again. =/
However, I have been rereading the game, and I will go on and just post my notes out of laziness.
Note I haven't really gotten so far, only about up to the point just before the whole big Duder vs. MS. Anyways, here they are:
Basically the biggest things I've noticed is a newly found dislike of of Zen and a bit more of a like of Marl. Still nothing conclusive yet.
@Vocal: This isn't final, but as of why now I would go with either F0 (reasons listed above), Beat (assuming Raz gets a replacement), and not listed above, one of Marl/Zen player slot. Still haven't found anyone person to latch onto yet.
However, I have been rereading the game, and I will go on and just post my notes out of laziness.
Note I haven't really gotten so far, only about up to the point just before the whole big Duder vs. MS. Anyways, here they are:
kingmaker notes:
- .5 for Beat for his 101. I don't like the fact that he thinks excuting inactives is a "great
idea." Excuting scum is what we want, saying "lets excute inactives" seems
like an easy answer. Only minus .5 though cuz it's really only more anti-town than scummy.
-.5 from duder for his 106. Lots of words for a very simple message. Really
though I just plain don't like that "do it for the town" drop he does at the very
end of the post. Suffers from "too townie" syndrom.
-1 from duder for general BS opinion over Raz not answering the question.
-1 from Soup for the awkward transition out of his argument with Marl.
-.5 for on 162 for duder buddy of me (the king at the time)
+.5 for Soup for better raz read.
+.5 for Duder for a good callout on Soup in his 155 and his 156.
-.5 for his buddy of me.
-1 for Marl for his 188, really wierd post to make, especially considering all they had been
through
-1 for Zen for coming into this game with a game mechanics statement and question (who here thinks kingmaker should claim?) and only focusing on that for awhile.
+.5 for Marl for his. 228. Even though I think his reasoning was wrong, I just like the fact that he dared to challenge me, the kling at the time.
- .5 for Beat for his 101. I don't like the fact that he thinks excuting inactives is a "great
idea." Excuting scum is what we want, saying "lets excute inactives" seems
like an easy answer. Only minus .5 though cuz it's really only more anti-town than scummy.
-.5 from duder for his 106. Lots of words for a very simple message. Really
though I just plain don't like that "do it for the town" drop he does at the very
end of the post. Suffers from "too townie" syndrom.
-1 from duder for general BS opinion over Raz not answering the question.
-1 from Soup for the awkward transition out of his argument with Marl.
-.5 for on 162 for duder buddy of me (the king at the time)
+.5 for Soup for better raz read.
+.5 for Duder for a good callout on Soup in his 155 and his 156.
-.5 for his buddy of me.
-1 for Marl for his 188, really wierd post to make, especially considering all they had been
through
-1 for Zen for coming into this game with a game mechanics statement and question (who here thinks kingmaker should claim?) and only focusing on that for awhile.
+.5 for Marl for his. 228. Even though I think his reasoning was wrong, I just like the fact that he dared to challenge me, the kling at the time.
Basically the biggest things I've noticed is a newly found dislike of of Zen and a bit more of a like of Marl. Still nothing conclusive yet.
@Vocal: This isn't final, but as of why now I would go with either F0 (reasons listed above), Beat (assuming Raz gets a replacement), and not listed above, one of Marl/Zen player slot. Still haven't found anyone person to latch onto yet.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
101 -- Beat awkwardly steps into the game agreeing with removing inactives. Oh, I see that you asked him that question in 92. Why did you ask him that when his answer already existed in 88?
112 -- Reads like Jscum, odd early incrimination of Soup.
121 -- In 96, Duder talks about how scum could look good by pushing votecounts as vote trails. Regardless of the legitimacy of this, in 121 Roxy says "oh but I just realized that they're great for info" which is what Duder had just called a bad thing. In 121, Roxy acknowledges 96 with the phrase "while vote counts have no purpose in the kill" which suggests an implicit acceptance of that idea from 96, but doesn't acknowledge 96 in that it already opposes an idea he's currently suggesting.
134 -- The attitude of the post gives me a very gut scum feel, things like "Soup v J?" (question mark suggests he hadn't thought about SoupvJ until he was asked -- similar tell to scum saying "to be honest" off-hand because in their mind they're concerned with appearing honest). The line being separated from the rest of the post suggests the same, that it's a separate thought i.e. he took time to think about it. I could keep going but you get the gist, statement analysis.
"Zen town" -> 168 as well as the KM claim discussion which reads scumhunting, reckless town etc.
"Why Duder at the time?" -> I liked Sizzle's case on Duder -- not entirely, I disagree with some of the ideas inherently since I think Raz could be scum as well. I didn't like the rest of the exchange i.e. Duder not responding to Sizzle for a while and arguing, and I always found myself agreeing with MS' posts therein.
300 -- Self-explanatory imo (this is a really scummy post) but that's okay.
"Not firm forever, but firm enough for now." --> same as "I might change this read later." Not just non-commital, but intentionally non-commital; what townie would say this?
"I don't think the crusade on Duder will amount to much pressure" --> What? He's not a mind-reader. Scumbuddies assuring Vocal that the case won't amount to much and him parroting it so he can look good --> probably. A bit tinfoil but again, why would a townie ever say this? Let the case work itself out.
"but that's beside the point" --> overjustification, he keeps repeating himself with this read. Every sentence in this post harps on this read. This phrase in particular suggests to me that the intent of this post was to harp i.e. to sell himself as town.
"but I'm alright with him living today" --> The third 'not quite town, but he's cool' in this post. Again, repetition. This post is flexing for the camera.
328 -- More of "MS is on the wrong track" -- why does he think that? He calls MS/Duder "petty nonsense" which can't be a town comment; it's either scum playing it down for Duder's sake, or scum acknowledging that it's TvT and thus, useless.
363 -- Why do you think it's from the Kuz head? Pretty clearly Tom imo, note non-capitalization of sentences. Null because it harps on inactives and gives advice to Purple. Kuz doesn't do these posts and certainly not as town, but Tom might as either alignment.
376 -- The question has town insight (why didn't FF see the PM either?) and suggests that OS' post could've been an excuse.
523 -- It's a bad question from Beat because MS had a bout of inactivity, while Beat and other inactives were simply and consistently inactive. Reads like Beat wanting to be regarded in the same vein as MS, reads like Beat phoning in activity.
112 -- Reads like Jscum, odd early incrimination of Soup.
121 -- In 96, Duder talks about how scum could look good by pushing votecounts as vote trails. Regardless of the legitimacy of this, in 121 Roxy says "oh but I just realized that they're great for info" which is what Duder had just called a bad thing. In 121, Roxy acknowledges 96 with the phrase "while vote counts have no purpose in the kill" which suggests an implicit acceptance of that idea from 96, but doesn't acknowledge 96 in that it already opposes an idea he's currently suggesting.
134 -- The attitude of the post gives me a very gut scum feel, things like "Soup v J?" (question mark suggests he hadn't thought about SoupvJ until he was asked -- similar tell to scum saying "to be honest" off-hand because in their mind they're concerned with appearing honest). The line being separated from the rest of the post suggests the same, that it's a separate thought i.e. he took time to think about it. I could keep going but you get the gist, statement analysis.
"Zen town" -> 168 as well as the KM claim discussion which reads scumhunting, reckless town etc.
"Why Duder at the time?" -> I liked Sizzle's case on Duder -- not entirely, I disagree with some of the ideas inherently since I think Raz could be scum as well. I didn't like the rest of the exchange i.e. Duder not responding to Sizzle for a while and arguing, and I always found myself agreeing with MS' posts therein.
300 -- Self-explanatory imo (this is a really scummy post) but that's okay.
He talks about MS "being cool in his book" --> as scum, this is easier than saying "town" because internally you have anxieties that make saying "town" harder, even if "being cool" can be read to mean the same. It's unconscious, like the question mark from Raz.
"Not firm forever, but firm enough for now." --> same as "I might change this read later." Not just non-commital, but intentionally non-commital; what townie would say this?
"I don't think the crusade on Duder will amount to much pressure" --> What? He's not a mind-reader. Scumbuddies assuring Vocal that the case won't amount to much and him parroting it so he can look good --> probably. A bit tinfoil but again, why would a townie ever say this? Let the case work itself out.
"but that's beside the point" --> overjustification, he keeps repeating himself with this read. Every sentence in this post harps on this read. This phrase in particular suggests to me that the intent of this post was to harp i.e. to sell himself as town.
"but I'm alright with him living today" --> The third 'not quite town, but he's cool' in this post. Again, repetition. This post is flexing for the camera.
328 -- More of "MS is on the wrong track" -- why does he think that? He calls MS/Duder "petty nonsense" which can't be a town comment; it's either scum playing it down for Duder's sake, or scum acknowledging that it's TvT and thus, useless.
363 -- Why do you think it's from the Kuz head? Pretty clearly Tom imo, note non-capitalization of sentences. Null because it harps on inactives and gives advice to Purple. Kuz doesn't do these posts and certainly not as town, but Tom might as either alignment.
376 -- The question has town insight (why didn't FF see the PM either?) and suggests that OS' post could've been an excuse.
523 -- It's a bad question from Beat because MS had a bout of inactivity, while Beat and other inactives were simply and consistently inactive. Reads like Beat wanting to be regarded in the same vein as MS, reads like Beat phoning in activity.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Revising my shoot list.
Vocal > Raz > Duder
Vocal > Raz > Duder
th3duder
th3kuzinator|Tom
responding to prod
would shoot f0 > f0 > f0
and maybe even another f0 shot if i was feeling cocky.
if he flips scum naybor is town
vocal is dumbtown.
raz is scum.
soup is town.
one out of marl/zen is scum but I keep going back and forth inbetween the two of em. It was Zen last I checked.
roxy i love you more than santa loved his elves lets get er done
would shoot f0 > f0 > f0
and maybe even another f0 shot if i was feeling cocky.
if he flips scum naybor is town
vocal is dumbtown.
raz is scum.
soup is town.
one out of marl/zen is scum but I keep going back and forth inbetween the two of em. It was Zen last I checked.
roxy i love you more than santa loved his elves lets get er done
ForeverZero
Overswarm|Frozenflame751
I've been really busy, so I'll keep this brief.
Purple, why Nabe?
th3duder, what is your thoughts on Nabe?
Sworddancer, what are your "reasons listed above" for wanting to shoot me? You didn't have any reasons listed and I wasn't in your "Kingmaker notes" at all, so I found this confusing.
Duder, why would you want me shot? Why does my flip tell you something about "naybor"?
Why do you think Raziek is scum when... he hasn't really posted anything and is requesting a replacement? He's also been almost entirely absent from Time Travelers.
Still think Beat is town. I know beatstick town when I know beatstick town, and I don't think he's really a good avenue to go down when he's V/LA either.
And you know what? Not quite done with you yet, Sword.
Heavily dislike you coming into the game after MS dies saying "hey guys, that's so weeeeeeird isn't it?" following it up with "let's not thinking about it", by the way.
Purple, why Nabe?
th3duder, what is your thoughts on Nabe?
Sworddancer, what are your "reasons listed above" for wanting to shoot me? You didn't have any reasons listed and I wasn't in your "Kingmaker notes" at all, so I found this confusing.
Duder, why would you want me shot? Why does my flip tell you something about "naybor"?
Why do you think Raziek is scum when... he hasn't really posted anything and is requesting a replacement? He's also been almost entirely absent from Time Travelers.
Still think Beat is town. I know beatstick town when I know beatstick town, and I don't think he's really a good avenue to go down when he's V/LA either.
Says the king who shot an inactive Chibo.sworddancer said:
And you know what? Not quite done with you yet, Sword.
Why exactly did you shoot Chibo when MS was one of your scumpicks? You just chastised Beat for saying he wanted to kill off inactives on his first post of the game, but you as King decided to kill off an inactive instead of a legitimate scum read.sworddancer said:
Heavily dislike you coming into the game after MS dies saying "hey guys, that's so weeeeeeird isn't it?" following it up with "let's not thinking about it", by the way.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
This whole line of reasoning looks like it's built using a psychology textbook you wrote yourself.
As town, it's me saying "this person has not done anything to make me suspect him so I'm going to look at others for now." I had seen enough from him without getting a bad vibe so I was ok with him. That said, I hadn't seen anything strong enough that would make me believe he was town for an extended period of time. For example, today he would have been back into the pool of suspects.
I just said this, but I'll repeat it: I didn't firmly believe he was town. It was a slight town read that had a reasonable likelihood of changing.
Why would I say this? Why would I say this? What difference did my comment make, tell me? Did it help encourage town to leave the pointless argument behind us and move on to other topics that actually mattered? I hope so, that was the intention. I saw nothing of any use coming from that argument. Did you? For that matter, did you get anything useful from that argument?
That's how I talk. I don't know how you expect me to explain how I talk. It's just...how I talk. So...yea.
I'm not flexing for any camera, or at least I wouldn't put it that way. Unlike yourself, I'm relatively new to the world of forum mafia; I've been in a few games but I'm still trying to improve. Part of this is trying to take more stances on day 1. It's not easy, but when I find something I try to make sure it's well known so that I don't end up accidentally becoming a player who has contributed completely nothing.
Don't say this like these are the only two options when you know they aren't. I used this ability given to us humans called reasoning, looked at where the conversation started, where it moved to, and where it could possibly go, and my conclusion was: nowhere. Are you going to argue the opposite?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
W.r.t. me:
I was planning on getting to this latter in my reread, when I got to your really big post (can't remember what number it was and too lazy to look it up). It basically has to do with your reads, and how I disagree with them. I really don't like that town beat read, as you give Beat the benefit of the doubt a lot in that post while not letting others who you accuse off the hook for pretty much anything. I'm also bugged by the fact that I saw some accusations in that post which could of been applied to your Beat town read. I guess I'll just skip ahead a bit in my reread to get to it sooner.
Still think Beat is town. I know beatstick town when I know beatstick town, and I don't think he's really a good avenue to go down when he's V/LA either.
Three things:
1. This posts is only working under the pretense that I made a purely inactive shot, when I didn't/
2. Read the whole quote. At the end I say I only subtracted .5 due to the that it could of been simply anti-town and not just scummy. I didn't just flat out go gunhoo on him for this. Don't just nitpick the part out that works towards discrediting me.
3. Even though I shot an inacitve that doesn't mean I can't call someone else for calling out an inactive. The same way that just because someone AtE's, that doesn't mean that they can't call out an AtE when they see one.
You're not telling the whole story here. Chibo was mostly inactive, and yes, that was part of the reason I shoot him. However, I did have a legit scum read on him and I've made this pretty clear. MS was a scum read but he didn't reek of obv. scum like Chibo did to me.
Heavily dislike you coming into the game after MS dies saying "hey guys, that's so weeeeeeird isn't it?" following it up with "let's not thinking about it", by the way.[/QUOTE]
I (well, everyone) was asked about my thoughts on the flips. I didn't come into toDay with that unprovoked.
Why do you dislike this? I see no reason to dislike that.
F0, can you make a short summary of why you like Beat?
Purple, Marl or Zen player slot?
Vocal, still want my head on a silver platter?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Vocal, what do you think of Nabe?
Gonna have to check out these last two lines to see if they match up with his Day 1 views. Duder, have you always liked Purple?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
So while looking for that F0 posts I was referring to I just happen to notice F0's 480, which I actually like. Not terribly indicative of alignment, but it's still cool.
Also noticed and remembered that I called Duder vs. MS either TvT or TvS. Well, now we now we know that it was Tv something, just a question of which one. Needs more investigation.
Still getting to that post F0.
Also noticed and remembered that I called Duder vs. MS either TvT or TvS. Well, now we now we know that it was Tv something, just a question of which one. Needs more investigation.
Still getting to that post F0.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
@Asdioh and everyone: Leaving to go camping in about 30 minutes so I'm v/la. It's only one day, so I'll be back to posting tomorrow evening or Sunday
No idea why this is directed at me, but okay.
Sorry I haven't read yet, been busy and not in a mafia mood. I have a ton of time in the next few days, so I'll definitely be doing it soon.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Only piece worth responding to is here.
Meanwhile, I am going to argue the opposite. I posit that the conclusion was easy to come to because you were scum, knowing the exchange to be TvT, or TvS with private assurance from Duder that they could deal with the case.
You looked at an entire case by MS, and an entire rebuttal by Duder, a 60-post span of back-and-forth between the two with reactions from others, and concluded "This won't amount to anything" and "This is petty nonsense". BS. You say you used reasoning -- what was your reasoning? Walk me through it.
Meanwhile, I am going to argue the opposite. I posit that the conclusion was easy to come to because you were scum, knowing the exchange to be TvT, or TvS with private assurance from Duder that they could deal with the case.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Soup's scum because he's playing well. Makes sense.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
This is actually not the truth. I reread his big post and there are definitely some reads I can agree with. It's really only the Soup scum read and the town Beat read that get to me.Me said:
Btw making smaller posts right now, cause I don't have the motivation to make one big giant post right now.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
As it says right in what you've quoted, the posts he's made have been decent, but his activity left me thinking of RE4. KM was my first assumption, my second being scum.
Is there some reason you wanted to call attention to this just now? And, is that all you have to respond to from me?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
It's just something that caught my eye, as the accusation didn't really make sense to me. I don't have anything else to say to you atm.
You think soup is scummy because you think that he's coasting so to give him a better ability to play decently?
You think soup is scummy because you think that he's coasting so to give him a better ability to play decently?
#HBC | ѕoup
The world is not beautiful, therefore it is.
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That's quite possibly the dumbest statement i've ever heard, less activity doesn't mean better play, and neither does more activity it all depends on the content they give, and i'm not gonna say i'm playing well, or playing bad, or average, because i don't like to consider myself as a variable of how good/bad i'm playing, just if i'm playing to my win-con and am satisfied with the results i have brung with myself.
bunch of armchair in that little paragraph, i really need to re-read this game.
bunch of armchair in that little paragraph, i really need to re-read this game.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
You don't have anything to say about my big explanation post for you?
I thought he was KM until Roxy became king. Not sure what to think about him now but he's not really my concern atm.
ForeverZero
Overswarm|Frozenflame751
Purple, thoughts on Swords?
Thoughts on Nabe?
Thoughts on Nabe?
Heya just posting to say that I am still here but I am seriously in need of a re-read since I don't remember like anything about this game and I really can't be bothered to get on my hydra to say this atm but I'll get on it when I do post.
Re-read/notes will come by Monday at the latest. Terribly sorry for the delay. =/
Re-read/notes will come by Monday at the latest. Terribly sorry for the delay. =/
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
My mistake; I forgot who the mod of this game was
That was supposed to be towards Gordito.*sigh*
The conversation had gone on for long enough for it to be fairly obvious to me that they were either going to end up rehashing arguments they had already stated or devolving into flimsy accusations. Are you truly asking me to go through and quote their conversation so you can see my thought process about how soon it became a conversation not worth continuing? If I remember correctly I wasn't the only person saying that it wasn't heading anywhere so I'm not even sure why you're questioning me specifically about it.
But I digress. Would you like me to do a multi-quote post of that conversation with my own narration? A yes or no answer will suffice.
Anyways, I'm in need of a reread of this game as well. Just got back from camping though so all I'd really like to do right now is rest. I'll get to it over this weekend though.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Vocal, my two questions please.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Nabe, I see you viewing. I might ask you something about that latter. I just don't feel like going through it all right now tbh. I'll rather keep on rereading.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Wrt you, I still find your choice in lynch highly suspicious and I'm going to pay close attention to you during my reread.
Wrt Nabe, it's hard to say. I've only played with him twice and it's been the same thing each time: he replaces in for another player with guns blazing and a "sure" scum pick. Not sure what to make of it yet. I might have more perspective after rereading and then reading his comments again
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
The only other person to say that was Roxy (268) which is more of a null dismissal, Roxy would make that comment as either faction probably.
At 241 you were already being dismissive of MS. Then at 258, you tell Duder that he's your "sole suspicion" at the moment. Then, the case on Duder is 262 -- which you go on to call useless and petty without any other outward signs specifically acknowledging its content. You ignored a large case and rebuttal concerning your "sole suspicion" because it was "obvious where it was going to end up"? Again -- BS. It should only have been obvious to scum seeing TvT or TvS imo, and you should've had a vested interest in the proceedings.
You call the accusations "flimsy"; let's get some detail.
Refer to post numbers if you'd like to go down that route, quotes are too long.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
@The second paragraph: I didn't bother acknowledging the case because I didn't see anything useful coming from it. You're making me a broken record. And duder was my suspicion only because of a slight mis-step earlier in the day, something I admitted to not even being that convincing, just something to note. My suspicion of him was unrelated to their conversation.
Moving on, I didn't call the accusations flimsy (if you're talking about my second to last post). The accusations initially stated were valid. Then they received valid responses that I did not see leading to anything else of use. It was at that point I figured that not much else useful would come from the conversation. To clarify, I don't believe the conversation itself was pointless; there simply came a point at which no more useful information would be gleaned from it. (Don't rip on the wording of that sentence - it should be clear what it is that I'm trying to say here.)
I'll do the whole post numbers thing when I read through the game again.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
I really don't need post numbers -- my problem here is that what you're saying isn't substantiated in your posts at the time. In my opinion, what I'm suggesting is viable from an objective standpoint: do you agree or disagree?
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Possible? Yes. Viable? No. You're taking too many leaps in logic. Just because it's a possible explanation doesn't mean it's a correct one.
Reading thread. *glares at Gordito*
Fervidly agree with this.
...reading threads?
I'm replacing Zen's slot, right? In that case, I'll pull a Zen and mostly read from this page onward. If you think there is content that I should look at, please direct me toward it. If you have a question, to ask me, feel free, and I'll answer to the best of my ability.
If you have a problem, please talk to my secretary.
I'm replacing Zen's slot, right? In that case, I'll pull a Zen and mostly read from this page onward. If you think there is content that I should look at, please direct me toward it. If you have a question, to ask me, feel free, and I'll answer to the best of my ability.
If you have a problem, please talk to my secretary.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Yea, unless I can find somebody to replace Raziek, or somebody even posts in this thread or PMs me to show interest, I'll be modkilling em on Friday. Sorry :/...
