The Founding of D Gamesia - Game over? Who scum wins reigned supreme in DGames?

[#HBC | Dancer]

Asdioh, you should really read the game, because just having someone tell you what to point out will get us nowhere without knowing the context behind stuff.

So then, I guess now we have to decide between what we need to do. Assuming that Raz will get modkilled (I don't see anyone joining this game anytime soon), then we have two options. Either one, let him be modkilled before shooting anyone, or two, shoot someone else before Friday, letting him be modkilled over the Night.

Advantages of the first option:

-If he's scum then we get an extra shot toDay
-even if he's town then we still get one more misshot after toDay

Disadvantages:

-No matter what alignment, just having him killed toDay will result in what is essentially another inactive shot. Especially bad if he's town

Advantages of the second option:

-more information for toMorrow, no matter what alignment he is or the shoot is
-if we shoot scum, and he's scum, then **** yeah. Then we get three shots to find the last scum.

disadvantages:

-If we shoot town, and he's town, then we'll be in MYLO toMorrow (which is really the same as LYLO, I think, because I don't think you can not shoot). Also, if scum gets the gun in this sceniro then it's all over.

So basically we need to figure out what want. First options will ensure us shoots no matter what, while the second option can be big risk/big gain, with guaranteed extra info.

Personally, I really want that extra info, and tbh I'm not too scared of the possibility that scum gets the gun toMorrow. Also, I'm tempted to say that in a stagnating game like this, an extra Day may not actually help us.

However, that's simply probably not the truth. More Days are also a benefit, so in the end, I'm going to have to go with the conservative safe option.

Feel free to prove me a ******* if you think I'm wrong about this though.

In any case, we should look at options toDay.

Here's who everyone wants dead (for connivance):

Nabe wants Vocal > Raz > Duder dead in that order.
Vocal wants me dead, kind of. Maybe Nabe.
Duder wants F0 jailed, tortured, and burned to death on a stake while being shot at with laser beams. Wants Raz dead to.
Zen's wanted J dead and vice versa. Zen wants duder less dead as well.
Asdioh his replacement is being dumb and hasn't picked anyone to die.
Last time I checked, F0 wanted Soup dead. He's also implying dislike of me, but nothing's set in stone for him.
Soup hasn't decided yet. Needs to.
Raz is gay. Hasn't picked a single soul to die. Gay.
Last time I checked Beat wanted Raz and Soup dead.
Purple wants Soup dead, I think. Also Nabe(?) as well.
I'm a lazy mofo who hasn't made up his mind. F0 and Beat as arbitrary place holders for me. Don't mind too much that Raz is being modkilled.

So, for connivance (again), a "stance count":

Nabe - Purple (I think)
vocal - Nabe
Duder - Nabe (a little bit), Zen (somewhat)
Zen/Asdioh - Marl
Marl - Zen
F0 - Duder, me
Soup - F0 (I think), Purple (I think), Beat (I think)
Raz - Duder, Nabe, probably everyone (me included) don't mind him dieing but would probably prefer someone else in his place
Beat - Me
Purple - no one, I think
me - vocal, F0 (I think)

@Everyone who I put "(I think)" next to: please clarify your reads to us so we know for sure if that's what you're still thinking.

So anyways actual content now :

Nabe: Purple don't shoot this guy, I think he's town. Since he's not in any particularly strong danger of being shot I won't go into any detail as to why I think he's town, but if you'll serious about his shot then I will.

Vocal: Also see this guy as town. Nabe, I will say that your case gives me pause about the dumb town read I had on Vocal, but I simply can not shake that read on him. Considering other things he's done has also given me town vibes. Duder's 732 helps to stabilize that read, no matter what his alignment. I trust his reads as town more so than others and if he's scum then he's probably name dropping a townie for points. So yeah.

@Vocal: What alignment was Nabe in those games?

@Duder: what do you think of Vocal in light of Nabe's case on him?

Duder: I'm starting to doubt my town read on him a little. Like, I really like his earlier Day one play, just how generally attentive he was. However, I'm not terribly impressed by the fact that he has went inactive as of late Day one (lots of people have been inactive toDay, but he was already kinda going inactive before then about the time I made the Chibo shot). It's nice that in his latest post (732) he gave stances, but they still fell lazy. No real reasons for them, and I have no idea what compelled him to give out those reads in particular. Bit of a nasty habit of buddying the king, but that's a bit nitpicky. Really wish he'll get in here and say something.

@Duder: Why is Raz scum to you when he's been so inactive? Also, why did you give reads on those random assortment of players in your 732?

F0: Scummy. Don't like that push on Soup for a couple of reasons. A lot of it feels really mechanical. Pointing out Soup scum due to how his reads line up with activity is meh. Same for the OMGUS he pointed out against Soup. Beat town read also feels off. One man meta is very hard to trust, plus calling Beat "the most consistent townie" (which he did in his "big" post) is kinda dumb, because it's not considering the fact that it's very easy to stay consistent when you have a very low amount of activity. Probably not scum with Beat.

I can't say F0 is total scum though, and here's why:

1. I haven't found anyone that could potentially be his scum buddy yet (granted that I haven't really looked, but the fact that you haven't looked at something 100% is all the more reason to not call someone definite scum).
2. Does have a point about Soup generally being wishy-washy with his reads. It's making me reconsider.
3. Took a seemingly appropriate position on Chibo.

@Duder: What are your thoughts about what's holding me back from a total scum F0 read?

Marl: Null. Initial push on Zen was done in a weird manner but I see where it was coming from a lot actually relooking. However, 560 is worrisome because Moth is being way too overly antagonistic over Duder getting a town read on MS. Something I learned awhile back from an old school player is that one of the things scum often can get frustrated over is when a pro-town player recognizes another pro-town player. Also, it's simply over the top in general. Want more stances from them besides just Zen. They need to not be like everyone else and actually post something soon.

@Marl: What's your read on me?

Zen/Asdioh: Will get to them after I get an answer out of Marl. However . . .

@Asdioh: This will pretty much require you to reread the game but, what do you make of F0?

Soup: Still townish looking to me. Reconsidering somethings though due to F0's case. Really need to relook over him vs. F0 some other time.

@Soup: What do you think of Zen's playerslot?

@Purple: Hold me to actually relooking over F0 vs. Soup, will you? Tbh I can't trust myself to do it with my own terrible work ethnic.

Purple: Were did you go bro? Also, just because you're king doesn't mean you exempt from discussion.

Um, that's all for you.

Beat: Nonexistent. When you do post it's never impressive. Only scum reads you have are one that you hooked onto from Roxy and another for Raz for weakish reasoning. Would be totally cool with you going.

If you're scum then F0's will look better.

Raz: Again, nonexistent. Modkill sucks but I won't loss sleep over it, like already said.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh, and before I forget, I haven't really made up my mind yet as to who I want shot yet and in what order yet. I need some of my questions answered first before I can do that.

 

[th3duder]

I welcome this modkill because Raziek is scum.

However an F0 shot would also make my day.

 

[th3duder]

@Duder: what do you think of Vocal in light of Nabe's case on him?

He's town.

@Duder: Why is Raz scum to you when he's been so inactive? Also, why did you give reads on those random assortment of players in your 732?

Because he was scummy before he went inactive.

@Duder: What are your thoughts about what's holding me back from a total scum F0 read?

Don't care. He's still scum.

 

[th3duder]

Roxy I feel your pain of the public bathroom thing.

I love you. Yes homo.

Shoot F0 please.

Kthx

 

[th3duder]

1. I haven't found anyone that could potentially be his scum buddy yet (granted that I haven't really looked, but the fact that you haven't looked at something 100% is all the more reason to not call someone definite scum).
2. Does have a point about Soup generally being wishy-washy with his reads. It's making me reconsider.
3. Took a seemingly appropriate position on Chibo.

1. No. Are you really trying to judge whether he is scum based off not have a scummate? That's a pretty sophomoric reason to find someone town. You know just as well as I do how that worked to my advantage in Ducktales.

2. How does him stating something obvious about Soup's play this game make him town. He has made lots of accusations this game, most of them off base and misconstrued, so why does his assessment of Soup change your view on him? Soup is town anyway so he's not even right in that directional push.

3. That whole interaction is gross. Like unbelievably out of my mind faked gross. If I didn't know any better I would say that looks awfully like SvS, the scum being F0 and yourself. However I definetly want F0 dead for a bajillion other more important reasons.

Also when F0 flips scum, Beat is town. Just saying.

 

[th3duder]

Actually **** the Raziek modkill.

Roxy shoot F0.

 

[th3duder]

Town:

Purple
Beat
Soup
Vocal
Marl

Scum:

F0
Raz
One of Asdioh/Nabe

Everyone else:

Everyone else.

Those are the reads I remember having before this game died and I'm sure they'll remain the same as time goes on. I need to re-read to figure out the rest.

 

[th3duder]

Oh wait there is just sworddancer left in that pile LOL

Town:

Purple
Beat
Soup
Vocal
Marl

Null:

Sword
Nabe

Scum:

F0
Raz
Asdioh

Make it happen people.

 

[th3duder]

And I can probably tell you why Sizzle died last Night. It wasn't to frame me nor was it because people thought Sizzle was obvtown. It was because they talked and got discussion going all the time.

With them being dead scum knew the thread would stagnate, like it's doing right now. This is a prime environment for scum to play in and you can be sure they're taking advantage of it. Remember OS' post in the Touhou mafia QT? He pretty much outlines for his scummate the players who would talk when prompted. He wasn't worried about their scumdars, he was worried about them being proactive.

I'm one to blame as well as I also should have been more on top of this thread recently, but I got bored and didn't feel like playing. I re-read during the Night phase and am about 99.99% sure F0 is scum and feel free to quote me on that.

Not to mention his buddying of Beat is textbook OS scum trying to establish a hard link in the game. Not to mention his points against Marl were so bad that I was balking out loud at them.

 

[th3duder]

F0's mates could be within the 5 people in the null/scum category. Just make that a giant scum category, I'd need to evaluate that after a re-read.

But I swear to god if this day ends with ANYTHING ELSE besides an F0 shot I will RAGE. I've never had such a strong feeling in my entire life.

 

[th3duder]

Oh hey look, inactivity!

Here are our hydra logs

Spoiler

Kuz: Hi Tom!
Tom: Hi Kuz!
Kuz: Tom, are we town?
Tom: We are 100% inexplicably indubitably amazingly town. Without a doubt.
Kuz: Great answer! What are your scum picks?
Tom: F0 is the scummiest scummy of any scum I've every seen be scum and should be shot by our bro ROXY
Kuz: I'm glad we agree!
Tom: I'm glad we had this talk, but now I have to go wrestle Andalusian sharks off the coast of Mexico. I'll be back in 3 years months weeks.
Kuz: Okay, Tom. Have fun!

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

1. No. Are you really trying to judge whether he is scum based off not have a scummate? That's a pretty sophomoric reason to find someone town. You know just as well as I do how that worked to my advantage in Ducktales.

2. How does him stating something obvious about Soup's play this game make him town. He has made lots of accusations this game, most of them off base and misconstrued, so why does his assessment of Soup change your view on him? Soup is town anyway so he's not even right in that directional push.

3. That whole interaction is gross. Like unbelievably out of my mind faked gross. If I didn't know any better I would say that looks awfully like SvS, the scum being F0 and yourself. However I definetly want F0 dead for a bajillion other more important reasons.

Also when F0 flips scum, Beat is town. Just saying.

1. I didn't say town, I just said not total scum. If you haven't found someone to be scum with him, then I do think that should raise some concern about a read you have. Connections, especially in an open set up like this, are probably some of the more legit "tells" there are.

2. Can you point out other examples of his off base accusations and misconstructions, other then ones I have pointed out?

Basically, with this one, if I feel that he may be right about something, then I have to consider it. If he is right, then of course my read on him needs to be reconsidered.

3. Why does it look fake to you?

Kuz please go into more detail as to why you yourself find F0 to be scummy. I see that you
re making some base accusations at him, but more detail into them would be nice.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I have a funny feeling Duder's hydra logs in his 772 is made up.

Roxy I feel your pain of the public bathroom thing.

Actually I didn't mention it in the skype call but this one totally gets me to. I've held in craps for like 20 minutes before just waiting for public bathrooms to clear up.

Also Duder, Raz is probably going to get modkilled anyways. We're just basically deciding rather we want him dead over the Night or toDay.

Kuz how confident are you on Raz scum?

 

[th3duder]

1. I didn't say town, I just said not total scum. If you haven't found someone to be scum with him, then I do think that should raise some concern about a read you have. Connections, especially in an open set up like this, are probably some of the more legit "tells" there are.

2. Can you point out other examples of his off base accusations and misconstructions, other then ones I have pointed out?

Basically, with this one, if I feel that he may be right about something, then I have to consider it. If he is right, then of course my read on him needs to be reconsidered.

3. Why does it look fake to you?

Kuz please go into more detail as to why you yourself find F0 to be scummy. I see that you
re making some base accusations at him, but more detail into them would be nice.

1. No. No no no no no. Determining whether or not to lynch someone based on assumed connections before we have any flips confirming that though process is a terrible terrible indicator. Connections are indeed useful, after we have a hard flip to deal with. Saying you are having second thoughts on his lynch because you don't think he has scumbuddies is a terrible thought process to maintain and is something that will cloud your judgement to no end.

Besides that, I don't even see what you're saying wrt him having no scummates. He hasn't burned his bridges with everyone if that what you're saying and, even if he did, he could just talk it out with his actual scummates in the qt to forge the interaction.

2. Are you kidding? I can't believe someone of your level would actually make this type of argument. Because he's right on something that makes him town? Scum can say anything they want at any time. It's not like they inherently have to knee jerk everything that comes out of their mouth. Even newbie level scum can make correct inferences if they try to, and with the amount of caliber scumOS has, being right about something is just a normal day at the office.

That aside again, are you forgetting that scum know who scum are and know who town are? I'm not going to push cookie cutter tells on OS because he's better than that, but scum have the main thing town doesn't have: information. All OS being right shows is that he has enough intellect to read the thread and retain information. Anyone looking at this thread can see how Soup is playing right now.

But he's town so idc.

3. His post against you is so reaching and terribad I don't even. Your reaction looks faked and blows his post way out of proportion. The cursing spout you had doesn't look natural and his reaction to it screams "just as planned." Not to mention you pretty much made up things he said against you in your response just so you could overhype the interaction into an explosion of dumb.

OS is scum because he's goddamn scum. I've outlined various things in his play that reek and I'm not going to drone on and on with a case on him. ScumOS lives for that **** because his persuasion skills are top notch. I won't give him ground to twist wordplay on me.

He needs a bullet to the brain.

 

[th3duder]

I have a funny feeling Duder's hydra logs in his 772 is made up.



Actually I didn't mention it in the skype call but this one totally gets me to. I've held in craps for like 20 minutes before just waiting for public bathrooms to clear up.

Also Duder, Raz is probably going to get modkilled anyways. We're just basically deciding rather we want him dead over the Night or toDay.

Kuz how confident are you on Raz scum?

Nowhere NEAR as confident as F0 scum.

Not. Even. Close.

Roxy please bby I need you.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Stating this because I've been getting a few questions about it. Note: Regardless of what phase of the game we're in, Raziek will be modkilled on Friday if a replacement is not found. K? K.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Cool.

Roxy shoot F0 before its too late.

 

[Purple]

I really wanna kill beat though :/

 

[Purple]

Been nine days, why isn't that ***** dead yet.

Kuz why is he town? thnx.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

1. I like having a plan, and I haven't really looked at where I'm going with things.

You're right about F0 having not really burned down all bridges so I'll give you that.

2. If someone points out something scummy, even if that person is scummy, then I feel that it's worth checking out. I'm not saying "Oh look F0 is right soup is scum shoot soup instead," I'm just saying "Hey, F0 brings up a legit point against Soup, I now need to weigh this against everything else I think about Soup to see how that affects my read."

3. His post against you is so reaching and terribad I don't even. Your reaction looks faked and blows his post way out of proportion. The cursing spout you had doesn't look natural and his reaction to it screams "just as planned." Not to mention you pretty much made up things he said against you in your response just so you could overhype the interaction into an explosion of dumb.

You don't know me that well, but that's okay, not many people do, especially not online. Anyways, the things F0 touched on were things I take very personally. Add that with a bad day I was having, and you have yourself a cursing spout.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Been nine days, why isn't that ***** dead yet.

Kuz why is he town? thnx.

Because he is mang.

I don't need to make a case on why he's town, you need to tell me why he's scum. The only reason I can see thus far is that he's really inactive and therefore should die. As sword said toMorrow is mylo/lylo if we mishoot today. We aren't hunting down deadweight at this crucial time, we're hunting down scum.

Beat already told us in the beginning of the Day that he was going somewhere and wouldn't be around this day phase. His absence was already noted and I'm going to nag Gorf about finding other replacements if he doesn't show soon.

F0 is scum though and he needs to die or else town is literally doomed. Please please please trust me on this Roxy.

 

[th3kuzinator]

"Hey, F0 brings up a legit point against Soup, I now need to weigh this against everything else I think about Soup to see how that affects my read."

Hey F0 brings up a legit point. If that has merit I will further look into Soup but hold a completely unchanged read on F0 until I see the degree to which F0 pushes Soup and if Soup flips scum.

Is what I would say.

Making a good point that same Day phase doesn't mean jack anything until we see a hard flip. Then opinions change accordingly.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

good words to live by kuz

 

[th3kuzinator]

You don't know me that well, but that's okay, not many people do, especially not online. Anyways, the things F0 touched on were things I take very personally. Add that with a bad day I was having, and you have yourself a cursing spout.

But you made up stuff that OS said against you just to give you more fire for your argument.

For instance I remember you saying something like "Wasting town's time? Are you kidding me? I've been looking for connections ... etc etc" when in reality OS didn't even say anything to you about wasting time. He just said that you came into the phase with the preconceived notion of killing Chibo and that you were taking the easy shot. Nothing about wasting time and some other things that you got angry about.

That's why it looks really fake.

 

[th3kuzinator]

good words to live by kuz

Are you scum?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Hey F0 brings up a legit point. If that has merit I will further look into Soup but hold a completely unchanged read on F0 until I see the degree to which F0 pushes Soup and if Soup flips scum.

Is what I would say.

Making a good point that same Day phase doesn't mean jack anything until we see a hard flip. Then opinions change accordingly.

Not to mention that there is multiple types of content. While smart inferencing and proactiveness may be considered a town tell, just stating whats plainly in front of you (IIoA; Exactly what OS is doing ffs) should always be a null tell. If IIoA becomes a slot's only source of content, it may be considered a scum tell.

I'm not trying to knee jerk this and its pretty obvious IIoA is not the only thing OS is doing, but your point on why him stating Soup has been wishy washy gives you good vibes is wrong.

 

[Purple]

Gunna kill beat, kthnx

 

[Purple]

got until tonight to make a case

 

[th3kuzinator]

Roxy. Don't you dare even try that.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Where the **** did the beat kill come from. Last I remember you wanted Nabe dead.

Stop acting scummy as **** about lynching dumb inactives. Shoot F0.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Guys, I'm in a bit of a dilemma here...

See, I'm going to Berlin tomorrow for 5-6 days. Normally this wouldn't be that big of a problem, but as I guess all of you already know, I've already been grossly inactive for a week (personal issues, not going into detail. Really sorry for being so inactive though). I really do want to keep playing, but if you want me to replace out, then I can't really blame you, nor can I go V/LA for another 6 days with good conscience.

If you do let me stay, I guarantee that there won't be any more inactivity once my V/LA ends.

And since I possibly won't be around to see any responses:
@Mod: If a decent number of players wants me to, I will request a replacement.

He's telling us he's going to be gone and then hasn't posted since.

Why do you want him dead? Talk to me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Not to mention we have until friday before Raziek is modkilled. Shooting tonight literally benefits no one but scum.

You don't want to get on my bad side Roxy.

 

[th3kuzinator]

If Roxy quickshoots I swear to go I'm scared that there will be no townie left alive good enough to win this game after I'm dead.

@Anyone who is town: Please, for the love of god, kill F0 if I end up dead.

@Kingmaker: Please make sure you pick a responsible person.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Are you scum?

No kuz, i'm as curious as you are on this subject.

it doesn't matter what f0 has said about me, it's what he has done, which is background noise.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i agree on beat shot if roxy does so, f0's read on beat is meta fodder and it seems like cover-up, scum flip from beat will damn f0 harder, a town flip won't change my opinion; beat has selectivley ignored f0.

 

[th3kuzinator]

i agree on beat shot if roxy does so, f0's read on beat is meta fodder and it seems like cover-up, scum flip from beat will damn f0 harder, a town flip won't change my opinion; beat has selectivley ignored f0.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

Do you not hear the words that I am saying from my mouth. Why would we lynch beat off of selectively ignoring F0, which is assuming F0 is scum, when we can just lynch F0 himself right now?!

Beat is the modifier but F0 is the goddam scum. We need him dead because he has been hella scummy, not just background noise.

A scumBeat flip would NOT damn F0 in the slightest. F0 has been buddying him this entire game with a bull**** town read just so he can have a hard link in here. F0 knows beat is town and therefore wants that credit. Shooting beat and him flipping town is exactly what F0 wants because it makes him look better. Beat isn't flipping scum my god how many times do I have to say this?!

Soup. Tell me you remember what OS did to Rockin in Touhou. ITS THE EXACT GODDAMN SAME THING. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PLAY IS TEXTBOOK MANIPULATION.

Jesus why can't anyone have a normal discussion with me about this besides Sword. Just by play alone he's been the towniest this entire phase and he isn't on my town list.

****ing step it up people, get some balls, and lynch F0. Don't go trying to figure out his scummates and lynch them first to use as evidence from him. Scum will hide in that and use it to garner mislynches and then USE THOSE MISLYNCHES TO CALL F0 TOWN BECAUSE THEY BUILT THEM UP TO BE SCUMBUDDIES.

Like seriously, stop *****footing around the subject and lynch the scum himself.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

also kuzi, don't worry, i'm on your wavelength of reads again, and i can see the asdioh slot being scum because zen's push doesn't hold much anymore but i might need some marl convincing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

if you want to take that route, that's fine, i'm already sold but i just need the recipt.

 

[th3kuzinator]

also kuzi, don't worry, i'm on your wavelength of reads again, and i can see the asdioh slot being scum because zen's push doesn't hold much anymore but i might need some marl convincing.

Marl vs Zen looks TvS honestly. I need to read the interaction again but I remember having a town read on Marl which is why I think Zendioh is scum.

Again, him and Raz are much weaker reads and can be figure out with a re-read. I am dead sure on this F0 read and once he flips, everything will be able to fall into place with someone half intelligent reading through the thread looking at F0's posts.

I'll be gone by that point but that won't matter because the colossus scum that no one has the stuff to lynch but me will also be dead and hopefully you guys can clean that up for me.

If I end up dead while F0 is alive, he will survive and he will win.