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Okay, I've been trying to wait for Raz as well as other inactive to catch up and give me their thoughts (especially wanted Raz's thoughts on Chibo) before I said this, but if I wait for that then I'm going to be waiting forever, and to be quite honest even I don't have the patience for that. I mean, looking at Raz, two days ago Raz said he was going to catch up, and despite his profile saying he's logged on yesterday, he still hasn't posted. Not only that, but his post before that was another post saying he was going to catch up, and yet he hasn't. I'm tired of waiting.
So with that said, I've decided that I'm either going to be shooting Chibo or Raz toDay, most likely Chibo.
Both are extremely inactive. However, from the posts that Chibo has made, I sense false contribution.
Here are all of Chibo's posts after the game had started:
Everything null for me. I think it wasn't just to call Raz out on fluff but it wasn't really bad though. On the other end I didn't see Raz do anything wrong.
Also you can set your text to automatically be a color in your user cp so you don't have to add the color tags.
It was my initial reaction when I say day start without someone dead since I thought there would be someone and was wondering if it would be me or not.
I don't see how that is flavor, saying thedud3r would be a good king then just later saying o lol i was just saying hi to kuz with flavor.
Say hi to him on aim or via vm <_<
Why are you so worried about it?
Really not a good mindset imo
^^^
Not liking Soupa too much because of this whole back and forth
@duder Can you give an example of a game where voting screwed over town, and it wasn't required?
I don't even know what OOC means... except for out of country
And you were so quick to be bent out of shape over the comment about flavor. And you're worried about Raziek instead? lol
This is like your first real comment on the game so far, and that's it? No discussion on Soup or Raz?
How is this beneficial?
Then why didn't you suggest it?
Who are you, you aren't in the OP list of players.
And if you're a hydra plz change your location
This is no different than voting on who to kill really. It still introduces the chance of the 3 scum steering us in the wrong direction.
But Zen is in the game?
But then you reference him wtf is up with everything
Such complication, this is one of the reasons I don't like hydras.
When do people even have regular conversations with themselves lol
Will be caught up tonight, Genesis occupied me far more than I imagined. About to go out to an interview, when I come back I gotta catch up on some things then I'll be all in here.
Reading the last 10 pages now to catch up, so I can be more caught up in ongoing conversation. I will read anything else that happened before then I might have missed later.
Seriously, can all hydras who haven't already please add what players you are to your location or subtitle like the others? I don't want to keep having to go back to the OP to remember.
Sizzle 331:
I think it's awkward for you to just say it isn't a scum tell, but think negatively of duder for doing so. Sure there are some by the book scum tells, but they are all essentially opinions at the end of the day. He's entitled to his opinion of it being a scumtell, and if you don't so, prove to him why it isn't instead of just stating it as such.
I feel the same about the argument
What are people's thought on tunnel vision in general in this game? I think the mechanic is a lot different with Kingmaker, and no where near as bad as in normal games. Generally, someone being stubborn and not budging can really hinder town in a game, since their vote could be needed to obtain a majority vote. In Kingmaker, that really isn't the case though. In Kingmaker, being keen on a single person could really just be a way to help push the idea to the king of who to kill. This could be seen as town or scum - but what matters in comparison is that it doesn't hurt town as much as normal - so it's not such an issue this time around for people bringing it up.
Why do you not think it could be SvS?
Can you reference people by their name? Though I know you mean Tom.
I haven't come to a strong enough conclusion to send anyone away based on posts yet, so I would choose Forever Zero for not posting in the game yet up to this point.
Can you point out what parts you feel are controlling, as you put it?
Help with reads, comparing to past games. Also everyones regular names are all in my head since i've played with all of ya before, so I can think of you as that. With hydras it's like I have to learn completely new people (by name I mean). I can get people mixed up, thinking hmmm was x in this hydra or that one. Also, if the mod is going to allow self conversation between them, which splits them up anyway in thought, and if players are going to refer to themselves and the other ones separately in the hydra (such as kuz calling tom is better half or someone in a hydra saying back from VLA) - it's all just an idea being pushed that hydras are comprised of separate people - and my reply to that is we should be owed the knowledge of knowing who the separate people are.
And finally, we know who is in each hydra, it's in the OP. It's just A LOT more convenient to have it be in every single post in the information so if we forget and want to look back at it, we don't have to go back to the OP.
Do you talk this mean to everyone you disagree with?
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I've gotta stop for a lil bit, some skype meetings I have to attend. This is a few pages done, will catch up the rest when done.
What do you think makes MS scummy from his early interaction with duder? I personally saw the back-and-forth as null, as did some others. This has nothing to do with the rest of your case, but since you brought this up, it makes me wonder what you saw in it.
I just got back to having time for this game. I'm going to read your entire post soon OS, but for now crtl-f'd my name in it to respond to anything you might have asked me sooner than later, and yet I'm surprised there really wasn't anything.
Though I'm surprised to still see that Chaco has posted only a couple times, since I haven't really checked after not reading for a few days.
All of his first posts before the game started. Here we have his anti-town questions about the Night. Nothing worthy to get shot over, but still needs to get pointed out.
Everything null for me. I think it wasn't just to call Raz out on fluff but it wasn't really bad though. On the other end I didn't see Raz do anything wrong.
Also you can set your text to automatically be a color in your user cp so you don't have to add the color tags.
It was my initial reaction when I say day start without someone dead since I thought there would be someone and was wondering if it would be me or not.
I don't see how that is flavor, saying thedud3r would be a good king then just later saying o lol i was just saying hi to kuz with flavor.
Say hi to him on aim or via vm <_<
Why are you so worried about it?
Really not a good mindset imo
^^^
Not liking Soupa too much because of this whole back and forth
@duder Can you give an example of a game where voting screwed over town, and it wasn't required?
I don't even know what OOC means... except for out of country
And you were so quick to be bent out of shape over the comment about flavor. And you're worried about Raziek instead? lol
This is like your first real comment on the game so far, and that's it? No discussion on Soup or Raz?
How is this beneficial?
Then why didn't you suggest it?
Who are you, you aren't in the OP list of players.
And if you're a hydra plz change your location
This is no different than voting on who to kill really. It still introduces the chance of the 3 scum steering us in the wrong direction.
But Zen is in the game?
But then you reference him wtf is up with everything
Such complication, this is one of the reasons I don't like hydras.
When do people even have regular conversations with themselves lol
This is Chibo's first "big" post, and pretty much the only post I kinda like from him, if only cause he gives a stance in it (a negative opinion of Soup).
However, pretty much all of his questioning (except for the questions he uses as pressure) feel shallow to me. All of his questions seem to simply be about clarification. I can not see how they can be advance any scum reads. You'll notice that this is actually a theme with Chibo.
Also note that he hasn't followed up on anything in this post since. That only helps to make him feel disingenuous in his scum hunting.
Reading the last 10 pages now to catch up, so I can be more caught up in ongoing conversation. I will read anything else that happened before then I might have missed later.
Seriously, can all hydras who haven't already please add what players you are to your location or subtitle like the others? I don't want to keep having to go back to the OP to remember.
Sizzle 331:
I think it's awkward for you to just say it isn't a scum tell, but think negatively of duder for doing so. Sure there are some by the book scum tells, but they are all essentially opinions at the end of the day. He's entitled to his opinion of it being a scumtell, and if you don't so, prove to him why it isn't instead of just stating it as such.
I feel the same about the argument
What are people's thought on tunnel vision in general in this game? I think the mechanic is a lot different with Kingmaker, and no where near as bad as in normal games. Generally, someone being stubborn and not budging can really hinder town in a game, since their vote could be needed to obtain a majority vote. In Kingmaker, that really isn't the case though. In Kingmaker, being keen on a single person could really just be a way to help push the idea to the king of who to kill. This could be seen as town or scum - but what matters in comparison is that it doesn't hurt town as much as normal - so it's not such an issue this time around for people bringing it up.
Why do you not think it could be SvS?
Can you reference people by their name? Though I know you mean Tom.
I haven't come to a strong enough conclusion to send anyone away based on posts yet, so I would choose Forever Zero for not posting in the game yet up to this point.
Can you point out what parts you feel are controlling, as you put it?
Help with reads, comparing to past games. Also everyones regular names are all in my head since i've played with all of ya before, so I can think of you as that. With hydras it's like I have to learn completely new people (by name I mean). I can get people mixed up, thinking hmmm was x in this hydra or that one. Also, if the mod is going to allow self conversation between them, which splits them up anyway in thought, and if players are going to refer to themselves and the other ones separately in the hydra (such as kuz calling tom is better half or someone in a hydra saying back from VLA) - it's all just an idea being pushed that hydras are comprised of separate people - and my reply to that is we should be owed the knowledge of knowing who the separate people are.
And finally, we know who is in each hydra, it's in the OP. It's just A LOT more convenient to have it be in every single post in the information so if we forget and want to look back at it, we don't have to go back to the OP.
Do you talk this mean to everyone you disagree with?
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I've gotta stop for a lil bit, some skype meetings I have to attend. This is a few pages done, will catch up the rest when done.
Really don't like this post. This is actually the reason I really where I started to have hardcore suspicion of Chibo.
The ONLY thing worth while that Chibo touches on in this post is MS's 331 and why it is bad. Everything else is literally more shallow questions ("Can you clarify that?") and mechanic related discussion.
What do you think makes MS scummy from his early interaction with duder? I personally saw the back-and-forth as null, as did some others. This has nothing to do with the rest of your case, but since you brought this up, it makes me wonder what you saw in it.
I just got back to having time for this game. I'm going to read your entire post soon OS, but for now crtl-f'd my name in it to respond to anything you might have asked me sooner than later, and yet I'm surprised there really wasn't anything.
Though I'm surprised to still see that Chaco has posted only a couple times, since I haven't really checked after not reading for a few days.
This wraps it up. Still more shallow questioning. No stances.
In short, Chibo reeks of false contribution. Even if he is town, at the very least getting rid of him would still be getting rid of an inactive.
Now, all this said, I can see why someone might want Raz shot over Chibo, just because of all of his delaying he's done to do literally ANYTHING at all. It's just that, when Chibo DOES post (which he has certainly done more than Raz), I can see scummy intent behind them and his play style this game in general.
I've been trying to delay this opinion because I didn't want to corrupt the opinions of inactives, but I've lost my patience, so here it is.
Cause Duder, no matter what his alignment he should of known that what he asked was an anti-town thing to ask. I like to give more credit to Chibo's intelligence.
I'll explain the second part to you later. Right now going into more detail might corrupt something I'm noticing about one of the players. Trust me on this.
Well, I just explained the "second part." Basically, what I noticed was Chibo's extreme amount of false contribution, and I did not want to potentially corrupt the opinions of others about him. Also, I wanted to give Chibo a little bit more rope to.
@Roxy - It's the weekend. It's okay for it to be slow. Ask me that two days from now.
@People Asking Why Chibo Should Live - Because he's doing things. He went V/LA, but his resume is better than Raziek and Chaco's easily. Maybe Soup too. Probably Roxy as well. These are the people I want shot if you're shooting someone worthless. None of them give you much at all though. I want F0 or Duder shot. Both are likely scum and both give us much more to work off of tomorrow. Swords should shoot F0 today and kingmaker should make a better decision and elect us with a back-up of J/Moth.
@ANYONE TALKING ABOUT ENDING THE DAY PHASE - You're all ****ing ******** or scum. NOT ONE OF YOU has said we should wait for a claim. ALL of you have been A-Okay with ending the phase without giving the other guy a chance to say something or claim Kingmaker/Hero (If Hero, don't claim. I want Swords dead).
I disagree with what's in bold. Again, as I pointed out, he's doing slightly more posting wise than Raz, but even when he does post there is nothing to gather.
Also, I especially disagree with the nortion that he's done more than either Soup or Purple. Both of those players have done a **** ton more than Chibo. Chibo has simply given an implied slight scum read on Soup, as well as a bunch of shallow question/mechanic disscussion. Purple and Soup, on the other hand, have actually given a lot of opinions on situations DURING that situation, as well as made their reads crystal clear. Chibo doesn't even compare.
I disagree with a lot of the post. I have a BIG problem with the Beat definite town read after pointing out a bunch of null and a few off color things. I have a problem with the Duder slight town read even after he recognized the scummy things Duder has done. I have a problem with the Purple town read for no good reason. I have a problem with the indy Vocal read.
OS, this is an open set-up, there are no indies.
What I liked enough to warrant a Duder shot over F0 ToDay is the fact that his stances, while I have obvious problems with them, are there and easily accessible. This doesn't line up with how I think OverScum approaches this situation.
I still support a F0 shot over any other player that isn't Duder. Those are my two biggest scum reads that aren't the king.
Sworddancer, shoot yourself for me if you don't want to shoot Duder or F0.
Town Swords does not think like this. Town Swords just does not think like this. I without a doubt believe this is scum Swords trying to add a justification for a flip he knows is going to be town. I have played with town Swords before and he would much rather keep around a low-level contributor, especially when there are other viable targets whose flip will give stronger reads on other players. Even if I hadn't played with Swords before this sticks out as incredibly scummy.
@Whoever Becomes King Tomorrow: Kill Swords. I am dead serious about this.
If Sworddancer flips town then I'll tie my own noose but I think he is scum with every sense in my body.
Town Swords does not think like this. Town Swords just does not think like this. I without a doubt believe this is scum Swords trying to add a justification for a flip he knows is going to be town. I have played with town Swords before and he would much rather keep around a low-level contributor, especially when there are other viable targets whose flip will give stronger reads on other players. Even if I hadn't played with Swords before this sticks out as incredibly scummy.
@Whoever Becomes King Tomorrow: Kill Swords. I am dead serious about this.
If Sworddancer flips town then I'll tie my own noose but I think he is scum with every sense in my body.
1. You're using meta
2. You've played with me in two games, both of which were months again.
3. I don't even know what you're talking about with me wanting to keep low level contributers around as town.
4. The comment on getting rid of an inactive town was just an added bonus. If you've reed the post you would see that I have a lot more reason to believe Chibo to be scum.
5. You're focusing on like, a really small point, out of a much larger post.
Oh, and 6, I'm leaning towards shooting Chibo cause I think he's scum, not "what gives us the most information." I've been trying to see if I could get links between players by asking around about Chibo.
1. You're using meta
2. You've played with me in two games, both of which were months again.
3. I don't even know what you're talking about with me wanting to keep low level contributers around as town.
4. The comment on getting rid of an inactive town was just an added bonus. If you've reed the post you would see that I have a lot more reason to believe Chibo to be scum.
5. You're focusing on like, a really small point, out of a much larger post.
I did read the post. Many of the things you said could be said about other players as well.
What have you discovered about Chibo's connections? Who is your number 1 suspect if he flips mafia? Who would that clear? If he flips town, who will your #1 suspect then, and who would this give a clear?
I did read the post. Many of the things you said could be said about other players as well.
What have you discovered about Chibo's connections? Who is your number 1 suspect if he flips mafia? Who would that clear? If he flips town, who will your #1 suspect then, and who would this give a clear?
I don't think so. I think what Raz and Chaco (the player's I think you're probably referring to) are just totally inactive. Chaco especially.
Also, as I said, I do want Raz dead to.
If Chibo flips scum I will be looking at MS. I feel the reasons I've posted are something Ryker out of all people would of noticed, and he hasn't. Beyond that I need to think about it more.
I don't think so. I think what Raz and Chaco (the player's I think you're probably referring to) are just totally inactive. Chaco especially.
Also, as I said, I do want Raz dead to.
If Chibo flips scum I will be looking at MS. I feel the reasons I've posted are something Ryker out of all people would of noticed, and he hasn't. Beyond that I need to think about it more.
So the only person that lynching Chibo would get you information on is MS? Why wouldn't you just lynch MS to begin with, especially since he has much stronger ties to more players in the game?
If that's the one you're talking about. You say he's been more active than the other two. He has 20 posts, compared to 15 and 12 - that's hardly a difference I'd call substantial. While I can agree that post indicates that MS should be looked into if Chibo flips scum, I'm still not quite buying your reasons for choosing Chibo. If he flips town, I'm looking at you, and possibly Duder.
Don't buddy me. There's no reason to ask for my specific opinion on this.
I think Swords decided long ago that he wanted to kill Chibo and right now he's just wasting everyone's time so we don't look at him poorly for shooting him. I dislike that.
Meadowsizzle's open claims of "I'm going to shoot F0" and "I'm going to shoot Duder" are both idiotic, but forces him to take responsibility for the result. Scum can bus in this fashion, but it's rare for them to attempt it on D1 and is easy to catch, so generally you can take it as a town tell. Taking responsibility.
Sworddancer, however, doesn't seem to be taking responsibility. It feels like he's feeling out town and always leaving himself room to wiggle. Plus he attached a name to an unknown flip (Meadow to Chibo); domino games are inherently anti-town. Even if Sworddancer was right and Chibo did flip scum, the fact that he already pegged MS as being TOMORROW'S shot upon that flip means that if MS flipped town there would be a 3:1 town to scum death ratio. Generally not a good trade to force yourself into, considering we're at a blank slate the following day. But whatever, maybe that's just personal experience talking.
I don't condemn Sworddancer for taking this approach, but I dislike greatly that he is attempting to deflect responsibility. Smells like someone being afraid of the results from their shot.
As for the legitimacy of his connection? Couldn't tell you. I don't know Ryker well enough for that.
But I do know that Sworddancer has already made his decision. He said he thinks Chibo is scum, we all know Chibo is inactive... easy shot.
So Sworddancer, if you're going take your shot, take it.
Otherwise, ask us what you're looking for us to answer.
Don't buddy me. There's no reason to ask for my specific opinion on this.
I think Swords decided long ago that he wanted to kill Chibo and right now he's just wasting everyone's time so we don't look at him poorly for shooting him. I dislike that.
Meadowsizzle's open claims of "I'm going to shoot F0" and "I'm going to shoot Duder" are both idiotic, but forces him to take responsibility for the result. Scum can bus in this fashion, but it's rare for them to attempt it on D1 and is easy to catch, so generally you can take it as a town tell. Taking responsibility.
Sworddancer, however, doesn't seem to be taking responsibility. It feels like he's feeling out town and always leaving himself room to wiggle. Plus he attached a name to an unknown flip (Meadow to Chibo); domino games are inherently anti-town. Even if Sworddancer was right and Chibo did flip scum, the fact that he already pegged MS as being TOMORROW'S shot upon that flip means that if MS flipped town there would be a 3:1 town to scum death ratio. Generally not a good trade to force yourself into, considering we're at a blank slate the following day. But whatever, maybe that's just personal experience talking.
I don't condemn Sworddancer for taking this approach, but I dislike greatly that he is attempting to deflect responsibility. Smells like someone being afraid of the results from their shot.
As for the legitimacy of his connection? Couldn't tell you. I don't know Ryker well enough for that.
But I do know that Sworddancer has already made his decision. He said he thinks Chibo is scum, we all know Chibo is inactive... easy shot.
So Sworddancer, if you're going take your shot, take it.
Otherwise, ask us what you're looking for us to answer.
**** you for saying that I have been wasting time.
**** you for saying that I have been deflecting responsibility.
**** you for dismissing my shot as an easy shot.
Do you know what I've been doing for the past two weeks or so? I've been focused on everyone. I've been focused on all of the interactions. I've been trying to form potential links. I've been putting WORK into this game, okay? I have NOT been deflecting responsibility whatsoever.
You say that my shot is deflecting responsibility though? I mean, what? Did you not read all of the reasons why I find Chibo as scum? These are LEGIT reasons, and yet because he's also inactive, well, "derpy derp Sworddancer just going for easy shot, he's afraid of results!" NO! Do NOT demise my case as being afraid of results. Do NOT dismiss what I've done as "not taking responsibility. If Chibo flips town then I'll man up to it.
This further pisses me off when I have people from both sides of the aisle. Some want an inactive shot, some don't. I shoot an inactive and I'm a coward. I don't and now I just let an inactive live into Day 2. No one will be pleased.
I've wasted everyone's time? Really? You're saying this when I have been trying to form links. You're saying this when I made posts like my post where I started to wrap up the Day? You're saying this when we have three inactives who've I've been waiting on for a RIDICULOUS amount of time. You know why I've been waiting on them? It's because I was trying to be ****ing fair. I've been trying to be ****ing fair all game. I have three ****ing inactives on my hand, as well as three other useless players. You know how hard it is to work with this?
You're right that I had pretty much made up my mind about Chibo awhile ago, but as I said, I withheld it because I didn't want to corrupt the opinions of anyone else, but what you're saying that I was just feeling out town, and because the person who I want shot is inactive, you think that I'm just a coward, trying to make the easy shoot to appease everybody. **** off with that ****.
I'm posted this little emotional outburst of mine because after I reed F0's post, I had to run some errands, and on the way over I was screaming my head off about this **** for five minutes in the car. It pisses me off when someone tells me that I haven't been taking responsibility, and that I'm wasting their time. I need to let this out, I can't repress it. It's unhealthy.
You're absolutely right that now that I've laid my cards on the table, I have no reason to delay this Day any longer.
@Chibo: claim, I'll shot you by noon tomorrow if I haven't seen it yet.
**** you for saying that I have been wasting time.
**** you for saying that I have been deflecting responsibility.
**** you for dismissing my shot as an easy shot.
Do you know what I've been doing for the past two weeks or so? I've been focused on everyone. I've been focused on all of the interactions. I've been trying to form potential links. I've been putting WORK into this game, okay? I have NOT been deflecting responsibility whatsoever.
I see. It's important to note that I don't see anything except for what you post.
You say that my shot is deflecting responsibility though? I mean, what? Did you not read all of the reasons why I find Chibo as scum? These are LEGIT reasons, and yet because he's also inactive, well, "derpy derp Sworddancer just going for easy shot, he's afraid of results!" NO! Do NOT demise my case as being afraid of results. Do NOT dismiss what I've done as "not taking responsibility. If Chibo flips town then I'll man up to it.
It is an easy shot. Chibo is a dime a dozen in this game. Inactives? Got plenty. Shallow questions? Go after Marluxia or th3Duder and you get the same thing.
Your reasoning was just a long winded statement of "Chibo hasn't really been in this game". He's been no different than the other inactives, not enough to take notice of at least.
That doesn't mean he's a bad shot. That just means you shouldn't pretend he's special and you've got a solid read on him. Because you don't have a solid read on him. It's not possible with his level of activity.
This further pisses me off when I have people from both sides of the aisle. Some want an inactive shot, some don't. I shoot an inactive and I'm a coward. I don't and now I just let an inactive live into Day 2. No one will be pleased.
That's my problem. You're looking to please people.
Why would you care what people think?
I've wasted everyone's time? Really? You're saying this when I have been trying to form links. You're saying this when I made posts like my post where I started to wrap up the Day? You're saying this when we have three inactives who've I've been waiting on for a RIDICULOUS amount of time. You know why I've been waiting on them? It's because I was trying to be ****ing fair. I've been trying to be ****ing fair all game. I have three ****ing inactives on my hand, as well as three other useless players. You know how hard it is to work with this?
It's incredibly easy. You shoot the scummiest inactive and call it a day.
It's Day one. No one in this entire game can peg scum for sure, let alone a scum team. There have been zero flips.
Those "connections" you're talking about aren't there, nor is there any evidence for them. There's always the possibility that two scummates planned something together or both approached the same situation in the same manner. It's also possible for it to the opposite.
You're right that I had pretty much made up my mind about Chibo awhile ago, but as I said, I withheld it because I didn't want to corrupt the opinions of anyone else, but what you're saying that I was just feeling out town, and because the person who I want shot is inactive, you think that I'm just a coward, trying to make the easy shoot to appease everybody. **** off with that ****.
You just said in this very post that that was exactly what you were trying to do. Truth of the matter is, you decided you want Chibo dead some time ago and have been fiddling around until town decides to say it's okay because you don't want any backlash. There's no reason for that.
I'm posted this little emotional outburst of mine because after I reed F0's post, I had to run some errands, and on the way over I was screaming my head off about this **** for five minutes in the car. It pisses me off when someone tells me that I haven't been taking responsibility, and that I'm wasting their time. I need to let this out, I can't repress it. It's unhealthy.
You're absolutely right that now that I've laid my cards on the table, I have no reason to delay this Day any longer.
@Chibo: claim, I'll shot you by noon tomorrow if I haven't seen it yet.
Every King will be held accountable for their shot, but it's not like you have many solid options. I don't think anyone would shoot you for simply killing one of many inactives, especially one who has such little support as Chibo.
Nabe hasn't even read the game yet and he's fine with Chibo dying. Funny that.
I think I've been making my opinions on stuff fairly clear as the Day has gone by.
It is an easy shot. Chibo is a dime a dozen in this game. Inactives? Got plenty. Shallow questions? Go after Marluxia or th3Duder and you get the same thing.
Your reasoning was just a long winded statement of "Chibo hasn't really been in this game". He's been no different than the other inactives, not enough to take notice of at least.
No, you're misrepresenting my case against him. I'm saying that I don't like him because, even when he does post, I sens him trying to get off without actual scumhunting. A.k.a, false contribution.
I wouldn't really put Marl or Duder in the same category as Chibo. They have at least been giving stances on who they think is scum. I have not seen that from Chibo. You could question them on their questions, but at least they''ve been giving stances.
That doesn't mean he's a bad shot. That just means you shouldn't pretend he's special and you've got a solid read on him. Because you don't have a solid read on him. It's not possible with his level of activity.
I am having trouble distinguishing Chibo from Raz, I'll admit that. Besides from him though, I do have a fairly solid read on Chibo. Even with his activity, I think coming to the conclusion that I have is not unreasonable when you do look at his posts.
You accuse me for not taking responsibility, but then accuse me for "having a solid read on someone" when "I shouldn't." This seems contradictory to me.
That's my problem. You're looking to please people.
Cause it's unfair to me that I'm in this position by default, and it angers me.
It's not like I'm changing my decision based on how many people it please though.
It's incredibly easy. You shoot the scummiest inactive and call it a day.
It's Day one. No one in this entire game can peg scum for sure, let alone a scum team. There have been zero flips.
Those "connections" you're talking about aren't there, nor is there any evidence for them. There's always the possibility that two scummates planned something together or both approached the same situation in the same manner. It's also possible for it to the opposite.
I've been waiting on others though, I've went over this.
You LOOK for connections though. Yeah, maybe it's unlikely for you to pin an entire scum team or anything, but that doesn't mean you don't look for connections.
You just said in this very post that that was exactly what you were trying to do. Truth of the matter is, you decided you want Chibo dead some time ago and have been fiddling around until town decides to say it's okay because you don't want any backlash. There's no reason for that.
BS I'm been simply fiddling around waiting for the town to give me the okay. Look at it from the king's perspective. You don't want everyone just going off of what you say. I wanted to hear opinions on my number 1 scum read wfrom others without letting them know where my mind is at.
If I made up my mind awhile ago (which I did), then how could I of been simply waiting for town to give me the green light?
Emotions cloud the mind.
Every King will be held accountable for their shot, but it's not like you have many solid options. I don't think anyone would shoot you for simply killing one of many inactives, especially one who has such little support as Chibo.
Nabe hasn't even read the game yet and he's fine with Chibo dying. Funny that.
I was honestly kinda expecting Chibo scum to claim hero/kingmaker so to out the one of them. Not going to WIFOM myself over that though.
I've calmed down a bit since yesturday. So Nabe, how far are you are your catch up? Do you think that you will catch up by today, or will it take later than that?
I was honestly kinda expecting Chibo scum to claim hero/kingmaker so to out the one of them. Not going to WIFOM myself over that though.
I've calmed down a bit since yesturday. So Nabe, how far are you are your catch up? Do you think that you will catch up by today, or will it take later than that?
I was honestly kinda expecting Chibo scum to claim hero/kingmaker so to out the one of them. Not going to WIFOM myself over that though.
I've calmed down a bit since yesturday. So Nabe, how far are you are your catch up? Do you think that you will catch up by today, or will it take later than that?
Sword's first big post in which he listed his suspicions were Chibo/J.
Zen said:
Asking someone their thoughts on someone isn't pushing them. It just isn't. That is what I'm saying wrt the last line. You're saying that you think I'm scum, yet you're telling me to stop posting, you don't care about my posts/responses. Hence why I don't believe you really think l'm scum.
If I didn't care about your posts/responses, why do I keep responding to you? I have never told you to stop posting. What makes you even think I don't think you are scum? (wow wtf wording)
Zen said:
I still don't like the fact that you seem to think I'm scum.
I'm honestly shocked at Swords because I have never seen him flip out before. Like I've always known him as calm and collected but wow. Idk what to think of Swords overall but it's not good at the current time. However that's for later. I also really don't get the Chibo shot besides getting rid of an inactive but I have to agree with Swords that he has been saying Chibo has been a scum-pick of his.
Beat scum 101, Lux scum 112. Roxy scum 121. 130 Lux scum again, continuing the argument after agreeing to end it. Raz scum 134. Soup says he was getting reactions from J blah. Zen town. 208 I want to punch a face. Roxy getting townier. Vocal scum 241. Would shoot Duder re: Sizzle/Duder exchange. 298 teehee. Vocal scum 300. 312 Why? Agreed with 319 in that Kuz isn't beholden to respond asap to stuff but that one point's not a big factor. 328 Vocal scum. Ryker, are you scum? Nah. I like Soup except that he likes Vocal, why??
What head wrote 350 @Duder?
354 oh, Vocal is self-concerned, might need to ISO. Turns out I like Roxy. 363 null, would be a scumtell if it had been from Kuz head. Skimmed 371. Roxy town 376. Vocal scum 384. 399 Beat is poor. 404 as well. 457 Duder town. 479, Sword clearly with Chibo in mind. 484 F0 agreed with content. 523 odd. 541 =/ Sword, skimmed again. 547 I sympathize bro. 554 chuckling. 560 is dumb, 561 is pretty hilarious. 621 suggests town Vocal like 354. Skimmed 633, I'll be back to it later. I'm fine with a Chibo shot but 641 is over-justification.
Absolutely fair statement here, Chibo is a lynch in any game and an easy shot in this one @Swords. But if you think he's scum, shoot, you seem confident on your reasoning.
MS town
Raziek ehh
Lux scum lean (attention focused only on Zen back-and-forth)
Zen town
Duder scum lean
F0 town lean
Purple town
Beat! scummy
Swords town
Soupamario null, play reminds me of RE4 scum
Chibo ehhhh
Vocal scum
Lots of leans and nulls, I really want a flip to get some fresh play.
