The Forgotten Retro Hero: Donkey Kong Jr. for Smash Switch!

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NAME: DONKEY KONG JR.
DEBUT: DONKEY KONG JR. (Arcade, 1982)
SERIES: DONKEY KONG
(possibly even representing a new universe exclusively for Nintendo's arcade games)
NICHE: RECOGNIZABLE RETRO CHARACTER
Donkey Kong Jr. is one of Nintendo's oldest characters, and star of Donkey Kong Jr., the sequel to the original Donkey Kong. Whereas Donkey Kong featured Mario (or Jumpman as he was known back then) saving his girlfriend from the villainous ape Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr. instead focused on Donkey Kong's son saving his papa from a cage guarded by Mario - making Donkey Kong Jr. one of Nintendo's first protagonists! Donkey Kong Jr. starred in re-releases of his eponymous game, and also was the main playable character in Donkey Kong Jr. Math, which, well, really sucked. After that, DK Jr. helped his papa kidnap Pauline and fight against Mario in Donkey Kong for the Game Boy, a remake of the original Donkey Kong that included a ton of new levels and mechanics.

As for other notable game appearances, Donkey Kong Jr. was one of the eight playable racers in Super Mario Kart (being replaced by Donkey Kong in all subsequent installments, although he was originally going to reappear as Donkey Kong's partner in Mario Kart: Double Dash!! before being replaced by Diddy Kong), a playable character in Mario's Tennis for the Virtual Boy, an unlockable playable character in Mario Tennis for the Nintendo 64, a frequently appearing character in the Game & Watch Gallery series, and, most recently, as an 8-bit costume for Mario to wear in Super Mario Maker.

Notably, Diddy Kong was originally a redesign for Donkey Kong Jr. for Donkey Kong Country, but it was requested that Donkey Kong Jr. either retain his original appearance or the redesign become an entirely new character. As we all know, this created Diddy Kong, who went on to replace Donkey Kong Jr. completely.

In Super Smash Bros. Melee, Donkey Kong Junior was a trophy!

"Donkey Kong Jr. came to the rescue when Mario imprisoned his father. DK Jr.'s challenge was to collect the keys to Donkey Kong's cage, all the while dropping fruit on his enemies from high above. He was able to climb faster by using two ivy vines at once. This ape is also quite skilled at kart racing, tennis, and mathematics."

And in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, DK Jr. appeared in the form of... two stickers. His old trophy from Melee is in the game's data, however.

In Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U, DK Jr. is completely absent.

What about the next Smash? There's no way that Donkey Kong Jr. would get in before King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, Funky Kong, Lanky Kong, or even Chunky Kong, right? DK Jr. hasn't played an important role in a game since Donkey Kong Jr. Math, and he's likely not going to play any important role in any game ever again.

Wait a sec - maybe not being in recent games could get him into Smash as a retro character! Considering that Mr. Game & Watch, the Ice Climbers, R.O.B., and Duck Hunt got into Smash, DK Jr. has actually got a pretty respectable chance of getting in, especially since there are so few memorable retro characters remaining that have enough potential to pull together a moveset. Heck, DK Jr. could represent Nintendo's early history as an arcade game maker and pull some moves from their other arcade games like Mario Bros.!

Could Donkey Kong Jr. somehow make it into a future Smash, perhaps as a 'surprise character' in the vein of Duck Hunt? Although a forgotten character, Donkey Kong Jr. still remains very recognizable and iconic, and has got plenty of potential to be a fun and interesting character in Smash.
MOVESETS:
Since DK Jr. hasn't been seen much (or at all) lately, here's a video to help you imagine how he'd look in 3D:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqZgEIELERs



Appearance: Donkey Kong Jr.'s look would definitely need an update if he was to appear in Smash. To distinguish him from his other, more modern Kong buddies, his 'fur' would be more orangish, and, unlike DK and Diddy, not look realistic. Instead, Donkey Kong Jr.'s appearance would more closely resemble Duck Hunt, with bright, accented colors and an overall clean, distinguished design. Finally, Donkey Kong Jr. would stand on his two feet with his arms to his side, showing his intelligence - after all, he's a math genius.

Size: slightly larger than Villager
(I know it seems crazy, but having DK Jr. be huge would be weird considering he's smaller than Mario in-game in Donkey Kong Jr. and Donkey Kong for the Game Boy.)
Weight: 95
Jumps: 2
Ground Jump Height: 30.5 (Wario)
Air Speed: 1.1 (Duck Hunt, etc.)
Fall Speed: 1.8 (Roy, etc.)
Wall Jump/Wall Cling: YES, YES
Walking Speed: 1.0
Running Speed: 1.6 (Mario)
(Sorry, not giving other stats like gravity.)

Neutral A/Jab: a swiping punch with the left hand, then an uppercut with the right hand (It's similar to DK's, as it just seemed the most natural for them to share a simple jab. However, DK Jr.'s jab is very exaggerated and cartoony, with his arms slightly stretching out.)

Side-Tilt: winds up and punches (similar to Wario's; DK Jr.'s arms stretch out)

Up-Tilt:
DK Jr. does a handstand (his legs stretch out)

Down-Tilt:
a crouching kick (DK Jr.'s leg stretches out)

Dash Attack: a quick cartwheel forward (DK Jr. faces the screen)
Side-Smash: thrusts a giant golden key forwards

Up-Smash:
thrusts upward with a sign (the sign contains a random number purely for aesthetics; inspired by Donkey Kong Jr. Math)

Down-Smash:
a sweeping kick
Neutral-Aerial: assumes his vine-climbing pose for a few seconds; weak damage and knockback

Forward-Air:
kicks his leg out (similar to Wario's)

Back-Air:
swings a pair of cherries behind himself

Up-Air:
thrusts both hands into the air (similar to Ness's up-tilt; DK Jr.'s arms stretch out)

Down-Air:
drops a berry below himself
B: Super Hammer

DK Jr. slams the ground with a giant hammer. Nearby opponents that aren't hit by the hammer will be launched upwards (like how Donkey Kong's Hand Slap launches foes into the air).

Side-B:
Barrel Throw

DK Jr. throws a barrel (in a fashion somewhat resembling how Kiddy Kong throws barrels) forwards that rolls along the ground. The barrels are smaller and faster while rolling than the existing item. They don't do too much other than force your opponent to approach.

Up-B:
Spring Jump

A clone of Sonic and Mega Man's Spring Jump, but DK Jr. uses a spring from the arcade Donkey Kong.

Down-B:
Back Flip

DK Jr. instantaneously does a back flip. Pressing A during the back flip causes DK Jr. to launch forward in a roll.
Grab: a standard grab like most other characters

Pummel: slaps the opponent

Throws, Final Smash, Taunts, Victory Theme and Poses: same as in NantenJex's moveset (which is in the spoiler below)

Special thanks to NantenJex of Source Gaming for moveset inspiration!


What're you waiting for? Show your support for the forgotten retro hero, Donkey Kong Junior!
 
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Technically... given he was used instead of his pa when Rare had partial control of the big ape... He's (like Waluigi) a Mario character.
 
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Technically... given he was used instead of his pa when Rare had partial control of the big ape... He's (like Waluigi) a Mario character.
Doesn't 75m use the DK series symbol though? It would be a little odd for the arcade stage to have the DK symbol while the character would have the Mario series symbol.

Anyway, I have noticed the little ape has been getting quite a few cameos and references in various Nintendo games in recent years (Much like R.O.B. did pre Brawl) so if anything, at least DK jr is still in someone's mind over at Nintendo.
 
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PiChuChu

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Donkey Kong Jr. is definitely a Donkey Kong character. It just depends on if he'd rep that series or a sub-series specifically about the arcade DK games (and maybe even other Nintendo arcade games like Mario Bros.).

Speaking of which, that gives him another unique selling point: he could represent Nintendo's arcade games as a whole!
 

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I've only played Donkey Kong Country Returns for the Wii. Never played any other game. But, i'm planning on getting the remake of it for the 3DS. I support!
 
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Hell yeah, I've been waiting for DK Jr. to show up again forever. He's the current DK's dad, so we should've seen him as an adult by now, but he's been MIA for 25 years. I'm all for him being in Smash.
 

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I support. He would be a really appropriate WTF character since he could represent the original DK games through his moveset. After all, these games made Nintendo a household name in the gaming industry, and Mario and DK represent their own separate franchises.
 

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Hell yeah, I've been waiting for DK Jr. to show up again forever. He's the current DK's dad, so we should've seen him as an adult by now, but he's been MIA for 25 years. I'm all for him being in Smash.
That depends on your source. DK jr has been identified as the current Donkey Kong on some occasions and the current Donkey kong's dad on others. It's also possible that neither is true and Cranky Kong is just a senile old coot.
 
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DK Jr. Is my all-time favorite arcade game! He's my main in Super Mario Kart, which my family and friends compete in regularly to this day. I've wanted him in Smash ever since the N64 title and always hold out hope that Sakurai will come to his senses and put this iconic, classic, full of potential, adorable ball of awesome into the fold!!!
 

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It's so sad that he's been missing in action for so long now. DK Jr deserves a spot as one of the most important early Nintendo characters. And I think it's not completely impossible regarding all the cameos he's made over the years, which put him in a similar position as ROB. Forsaken but not forgotten!
 

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I think Donkey Kong Jr. is :ultdk:'s father.
It's so sad that he's been missing in action for so long now. DK Jr deserves a spot as one of the most important early Nintendo characters. And I think it's not completely impossible regarding all the cameos he's made over the years, which put him in a similar position as ROB. Forsaken but not forgotten!
Still, as I remember there seem to be no very clear clue about DKJr grows up and becoming father/grandfather of current DK. At least official Smash intro or trophy description would have tried to make those things clear if Nintendo care that much.

There is also a note-worthy theory hole: if the orginial DK becomes old, who are the lady and jumpman from the original game anyway? Are they grandparents of Pauline and Mario? This would get more far-fetched so better need more direct information from NIntendo.


Anyway, I would support DKJr to not return as long as he is not part of the current canon just like Peach's supposed father is removed for good. The current DK main cast already provide many great fighters for choices, after all.

And for "revival", remember Pauline is still the better example of how an old retro character was brought back and eventually stays in the canon. Probably we shoudln't forget Stanley as well.
 
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Still, as I remember there seem to be no very clear clue about DKJr grows up and becoming father/grandfather of current DK. At least official Smash intro or trophy description would have tried to make those things clear if Nintendo care that much.

There is also a note-worthy theory hole: if the orginial DK becomes old, who are the lady and jumpman from the original game anyway? Are they grandparents of Pauline and Mario? This would get more far-fetched so better need more direct information from NIntendo.


Anyway, I would support DKJr to not return as long as he is not part of the current canon just like Peach's supposed father is removed for good. The current DK main cast already provide many great fighters for choices, after all.

And for "revival", remember Pauline is still the better example of how an old retro character was brought back and eventually stays in the canon. Probably we shoudln't forget Stanley as well.
It was made clear by Nintendo in Snake's Codex back in Brawl that the Mario now is Jumpman from the original Donkey Kong arcade game and Cranky Kong is the DK from that game.
 
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It was made clear by Nintendo in Snake's Codex back in Brawl that the Mario now is Jumpman from the original Donkey Kong arcade game and Cranky Kong is the DK from that game.
I see how that came from. But the logic hole still remains. To me it feels more like a perspective of games generation more than a storywise canon.

Back to DKJr, unless as said the intros made hist existence and relationship with others clear enough, it'd be hard to insert him back to the main cast again. Baby Mario is a good showcase there.
 
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To me it feels more like a perspective of games generation more than a storywise canon.
I agree.

Back to DKJr, unless as said the intros made hist existence and relationship with others clear enough, it'd be hard to insert him back to the main cast again. Baby Mario is a good showcase there.
I still think he could get in as a retro rep in the future. It's not impossible since we have 3 Links in the roster.
 
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Let’s not forget we are talking about “Super Mario” (super being the keyword) and how many 1up mushrooms has he eaten in his existence? Mario is practically immortal and likely doesn’t age due to repetitive respawning.
 
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I don't think it's somehow important if a fictional character has officially aged to fit in the canon. Look at Donkey. He looks the same ever since he's been introduced. It doesn't make any difference that Nintendo claims the Arcade DK to be modern Cranky. Basically, Nintendo says DK Jr doesn't exist anymore which is pretty much no matter because we have Baby Mario, Dry Bowser, multiple Links and Marios in many different Games.

And don't forget Junior would prolly still be around if it weren't for Rare replacing him with Diddy despite there being Cranky in DKC.
 
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