The end of the internet.

[SkylerOcon]

Alright, sorry guys, but SWF is not a planning place for Anons. If you want to plan stuff, do it on one of the chans or on AIM.

 

[Glöwworm]

Alright, sorry guys, but SWF is not a planning place for Anons. If you want to plan stuff, do it on one of the chans or on AIM.

did you mean to lock this or is this still up for discussion?

either way, this treaty sounds like bad stuff

 

[Charmander]

I Just looked at this treaty...JUST when I thought the government couldnt get stupider.

 

[Mr.BlackDog]

what are they gonna do?

http://www.ifmovement.org/

 

[handsockpuppet]

5. Part of the ACTA treaty states that import generic medicine are to be restricted and controlled. This could have disastrous effects that will cost lives, especially in developing countries. The majority of medicinal companies do not supply medicine to third world countries. This is because more profit can be made by selling it to the richer countries where we live. Most medicines received in third world countries are imported by concerned people and charity groups. If ACTA is to be approved, these medicines would be confiscated for "security" reasons (in order to maintain a monopoly). Should these people die because of our current inaction and unwillingness to act against ACTA?

6. If ACTA is implemented, privacy on the internet is no longer a given. Internet Service Providers will be forced to monitor what websites you visit and what you type, search and do. People have a basic right to privacy that this treaty clearly ignores. Are you willing to pay this price?

7. ACTA gives governments and ISP’s the right to block websites deemed “unsuitable” There are no clear guidelines as to what is deemed suitable or unsuitable. Do you honestly believe that this power will not be abused for political and economical gain. China has used the same excuse to censor the internet. Concurrently, China has far banned facebook.com, youtube.com and blogspot.com. Does this seem like national security?

8. This treaty will not prevent piracy. This is an ineffective and ridiculous agreement that will only harm the common people, not the pirated goods trade. Again, China is an example. Most websites and Peer to Peer networks are blocked. Yet China has one of the most rampant piracy industries in the world. Why? Because piracy will always find another medium. Only we will suffer.

the government sometimes has to restrict freedom for protection but what do i care if bubba wants to download some music or if harry wants to see some porn (or something) it doesn't hurt me at all if they do that. it seems to me it's acting for it's own interests rather then the interests of the people

and now for a history lesson in song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8

Geez. it's annoying, because I'm sure that the politicians won't be able to come up with any reasons for this, besides maybe "the internet is tubes", yet it won't matter. They'll try to pass it anyway. As a libertarian, I think it's ridiculous for the government to tell you what you can and can't SEE. But more and more I'm convinced the left wants to pass things like this FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of preventing you from seeing things they don't want you to see. My friend thinks what they'll try to do is have a normal internet, with only a few sites, and a new PREMIUM internet, that you'll have to pay extra for. It'll be like cable but you're paying for extra sites instead of channels. Then there's other things, like how some porn sites will ask you to certify you're over 18. Which is ridiculous because if you're not you can't legally certify anything (so, as Oglaf puts it, please bring in a parent or guardian to say that you are). But now I suppose they could just look at your user profile. That is, if they don't ban every form of erotica altogether.

PS: that video was AWESOME

 

[Pluvia]

Handsockpuppet I think you're getting a bit too paranoid here. The West is a Democracy not a Totalitarianism.

Don't be fooled by the fear tactics that panicky people who want to keep downloading for free are trying to install.

 

[Tom]

haha, install.

 

[Crimson King]

Yeah, a few Austalians claimed that the notion their internet is as locked down as China's is just a hoax. To me, this sounds like New World Order propaganda, and I know senators afraid of an international highway, much less an internet lockdown.

Pluvia, we are not a democracy.

 

[Pluvia]

We get about 5 of these "oh no they're trying to stop me downloading for free the internet is ruined forever!" things a month. It's like those end of the world prophecies. I can't even count how much times I've heard that the world was about to end in these past 18 years, and the same goes with the end of the internet.

This thing isn't any different. All that's going to happen is people are going to whine about it and it's either going to disappear and never be heard from again like the rest of them or it's going to happen but generally not change our daily internet usage that much.

We all like to get music for free but trying to pretend it's right or legal is just stupid. We can all moan and say oh no we're all going to end up like China but with Thought Police, or how this wont stop us we'll rebel and put on our V masks and hunch over our computers talking to a bunch of randomers saying how much trouble we're going to cause the government.

Or we could wait and see what happens and if we don't like it then we can do that thing that democracy allows us to: Protest. Heck if it's really bothering everyone then don't wait and see what happens, protest to your government right now. Write a letter, get support from people who agree with you, do something. Complaining about it on the Internet isn't going to do anything.

 

[Crimson King]

Calls to senators and representatives do wonders.

Also, one of the major proponents for it in Australia stated outright that the internet filter is dead and done. In short, there's no reason to panic.

 

[Life]

The internet has released forces beyond government control. Naturally, government doesn't like what it can't control.

That being said. No control. I don't even know if it's technologically feasible to implement a kill switch or track everyone's data for any long period of time, given the resourcefulness of billions of users against the hubris-loaded couple thousand people that run governments.

 

[Crimson King]

The internet has released forces beyond government control. Naturally, government doesn't like what it can't control.

That being said. No control. I don't even know if it's technologically feasible to implement a kill switch or track everyone's data for any long period of time, given the resourcefulness of billions of users against the hubris-loaded couple thousand people that run governments.

Tracking wouldn't be hard since what you delete can be recovered. This is scene in pedophile cases all the time, as well as murder cases. It's possible, but it won't happen.

 

[Pluvia]

You have to connect to the Internet through something. If a government really, really, wanted to they could close down Internet access to a country in hours.

 

[Mr.BlackDog]

You have to connect to the Internet through something. If a government really, really, wanted to they could close down Internet access to a country in hours.

The US president already has a kill switch to the internet. Basically a majestic light switch.

It should be noted that

1) Crying over the internet= spreads awareness
2) Copyright infringement = morally/ethically questionable~but in the case of Acta WHO is the copy right holder? I know of many software developers who deliberately look the other way when their **** is being distributed (even if it is illegally) because exposure is a good thing in the long run. Copyright infringement should be pursued by the person (or company) being violated. Acta will allow the Gov'T to pursue ANY infringement they choose. EVEN suspicion or allegation of accessing copyrighted material ~ is grounds for your computer to be searched.
Current us LAW allows ISP's to offer the average joe the freedom to surf the internet without tracking his or her activity. Even IF said ~ average joe~ is breaking copyright law ~ the isp will not be held liable. Once Acta is introduced ~ isps will be held accountable ~ and will basically be performing the duties of the major corporate lobbyists that are pushing this bill.

Article 12. (the declaration of human rights)

"No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

Sounds like a blatant contradiction, doesn't it?
Acta is an international treaty--These bills trump Domestic Laws.

Patriot act v.2 <--------

http://ifmovement.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=519

^ Above is a link to the emails of all 307 parliament members of Canada (Canafeg here)
Let them know what you think about this treaty.

 

[BluePSI]

thats crazy!
sueing a 12 year old?
....money is riving these people crazy....

 

[Mr. Game and Watch Jn.]

Well Europe haven't accepted it, at least. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/europe-trashes-acta-as-obama-praises-it.ars

 

[BBQTV]

http://www.ifmovement.org/

not them i mean 4chan what are their thoughts and actions going to be

 

[Pikaville]

What the worlds governments DON'T see coming, is the eventual evolution of the internet into an artificial living entity that will save us all from this censorship madness.

The internet is what humans were destined to create, only to be harvested by it's evolved form for our alien overlords who first populated this planet with the basic components for life.

The have been waiting 2 million years for the great harvest and soon this day of reckoning will come.

 

[Mr.BlackDog]

What the worlds governments DON'T see coming, is the eventual evolution of the internet into an artificial living entity that will save us all from this censorship madness.

The internet is what humans were destined to create, only to be harvested by it's evolved form for our alien overlords who first populated this planet with the basic components for life.

The have been waiting 2 million years for the great harvest and soon this day of reckoning will come.

You sir ~ embody all things wise. 10/10

 

[Crimson King]

What the worlds governments DON'T see coming, is the eventual evolution of the internet into an artificial living entity that will save us all from this censorship madness.

The internet is what humans were destined to create, only to be harvested by it's evolved form for our alien overlords who first populated this planet with the basic components for life.

The have been waiting 2 million years for the great harvest and soon this day of reckoning will come.

Destined killed this joke.

 

[Pikaville]

Yeah it wasn't a great choice of words was it....

"Engineered" would have been a better word.