The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

[Wave⁂]

Gardevior @ Leftovers
Modest / Trace
252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Def
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball

 

[NJzFinest]

Chansey @ Leftovers
Calm / Natural Cure
252 Def / 80 HP / 176 SpD
Charm
Seismic Toss
Light Screen
Softboiled

edit: this was supposed to be for Weezing >_<

 

[Metal~Mario]

Chansey @ Leftovers
Calm / Natural Cure
252 Def / 80 HP / 176 SpD
Charm
Seismic Toss
Light Screen
Softboiled

edit: this was supposed to be for Weezing >_<

Assuming this Chansey beats Gardevoir (I believe it does) :

Banette@none
Insomnia/Jolly
252Speed/252HP/6Def
Thief
Toxic
Will-o-wisp
Protect

A lame counter, but effective. Poisons, steals Lefties, and watches you die.

 

[NJzFinest]

LMAO, that's the lamest counter ever xD

I'm impressed though haha

 

[Wave⁂]

No Toxic or Flame Orb?

HOLY **** does Flame Orb activate Flash Fire?

Kangaskhan @ Leftovers
Scrappy / Adamant
252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Spe
Substitute
Focus Punch
Return
Sucker Punch

Thief fails to break my Sub, and I OHKO you with Focus Pawnch.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

CRAP. I got ninja'd.

And sadly, no. Flame orb doesn't activate Flash Fire. Heatran would be in ubers if it did.

 

[Metal~Mario]

No Toxic or Flame Orb?

HOLY **** does Flame Orb activate Flash Fire?

Kangaskhan @ Leftovers
Scrappy / Adamant
252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Spe
Substitute
Focus Punch
Return
Sucker Punch

Thief fails to break my Sub, and I OHKO you with Focus Pawnch.

Where'd you hear that?

Crobat@Leftovers
Inner Focus/Impish
252HP/252 Def/4SpDef

Toxic
Super Fang
Roost
Hypnosis

Breaks your subs with Super Fang, and then toxics you. Roost repeatedly until Toxic kills you (if you spam return).

Crobat and the other BLs are allowed right?

 

[NJzFinest]

If Crobat is allowed:

Zubat @ Leftovers
Inner Focus/Impish
252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Taunt
Swagger
Nasty Plot
HP Ice

lol

 

[Metal~Mario]

If Crobat is allowed:

Zubat @ Leftovers
Inner Focus/Impish
252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Taunt
Swagger
Nasty Plot
HP Ice

lol

Nice.

Grumpig@Leftovers
Own Tempo/Calm
252Def/70SpDef/186SpA
HP Fire
Psychic
Energy Ball
Magic Coat

Hooray for Zubat!

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Nice.

Grumpig@Leftovers
Own Tempo/Calm
252Def/70SpDef/186SpA
HP Fire
Psychic
Energy Ball
Magic Coat

Hooray for Zubat!

I HATE BATS! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE! IN THE CAVES, IN THE SHADOWS, ALWAYS MESSIN' UP UR TEAM, ARGH...

... what? Did I say something?

Spiritomb@Leftovers
Pressure/Sassy
250Sp. Def. / 190 Sp. Atk. / 70 Def.

Pain Split
Nasty Plot
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting

Huh. I'm using an awful lot of Ghost types these days, aren't I?

Anyway, is immune to your STAB attack and feeds off your higher health with Pain Split to recover off the minimal damage from the other two if necessary. Stats up with Nasty Plot then blows you away with Shadow Ball.

 

[Wave⁂]

Shuckle @ Leftovers
Gluttony / Sassy
252 HP / 172 Def / 80 SpDef
Toxic
Encore
Knock Off
Bide

Turn 1: You Plot.
Turn 2: You Plot, I Encore. (Lasts 4 turns)
Turn 3: You Plot, I Toxic.
Turn 4: You Plot, I Knock Off. 100%, 87.5% (Knock Off damage is negligible)
Turn 5: You Plot, I Knock Off. 100%, 68.75%
Turn 6: I Bide, you Plot. 100%, 43.75%
If you Shadow Ball, I kill you with Bide.
Turn 7: I Bide, you Plot. 100%, 10% -ish
Turn 8: I Bide, dealing 0 damage. You Shadow Ball and fail to OHKO me. You die.

OR

Turn 1: You Plot
Turn 2: You Shadow Ball, I Toxic
If you Shadow Ball, I Bide, if you Nasty Plot, I Encore.

 

[Cease Tick]

Shuckle @ Chesto Berry
Gluttony / Sassy
252 HP / 172 Def / 80 SpDef
Toxic
Rest
Knock Off
Bide

Turn 1: You Plot.
Turn 2: You Plot, I Encore. (Lasts 4 turns)
Turn 3: You Plot, I Toxic.
Turn 4: You Plot, I Knock Off. 100%, 87.5% (Knock Off damage is negligible)
Turn 5: You Plot, I Knock Off. 100%, 68.75%
Turn 6: I Bide, you Plot. 100%, 43.75%
If you Shadow Ball, I kill you with Bide.
Turn 7: I Bide, you Plot. 100%, 10% -ish
Turn 8: I Bide, dealing 0 damage. You Shadow Ball and fail to OHKO me. You die.

OR

Turn 1: You Plot
Turn 2: You Shadow Ball, I Toxic
If you Shadow Ball, I Bide, if you Nasty Plot, I Encore.

You don't have encore listed on the set...

 

[Wave⁂]

Fu








Ck

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Gallade @ Life Orb
Adamant / Steadfast
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Sp. Def
Swords Dance
Protect
Close Combat
Stone Edge

I think this should work, regardless of if you have Encore or not. I can't check right now though. Shuckle is pretty gay.

 

[Wave⁂]

Pokemon I hate countering:
Spiritomb
Registeel
Yanmega

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Pokemon I hate countering:
Spiritomb
Registeel
Yanmega

Our lists are exactly the same, but Yanmega is easily countered by Electrode. But I try to be original in my counters.

 

[ungulateman]

Staraptor @ Muscle Band
Adamant / Intimidate
252 Atk / 160 Def / 96 Spe
-Pursuit
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Return

-1 Stone Edge fails to KO, while I outspeed and KO with Brave Bird.

 

[SpiredMoth]

Staraptor @ Muscle Band
Adamant / Intimidate
252 Atk / 160 Def / 96 Spe
-Pursuit
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Return

-1 Stone Edge fails to KO, while I outspeed and KO with Brave Bird.

Pursuit is an illegal move.

 

[WouW]

Doesn't Brave Bird kill yourself after a Stone Edge?

 

[SpiredMoth]

That's true. What's going to be the ruling in such a case?

 

[WouW]

It doesn't work because it cannot beat what it's supposed to counter without killing itself.

 

[Wave⁂]

Claydol is pretty easy to counter, but he counters a lot of stuff.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Modest / Levitate
252 HP / 80 SpAtk / 172 Atk
Psychic
Earth Power
Stone Edge
Shadow Ball

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I needed protect to beat Bide, otherwise, I would have had Night Slash...CRAP.

 

[ungulateman]

Pursuit is an illegal move.

Pursuit's listed on Smogon as legal. It's actually on some of the sets! AFAIK, it's an egg move.

 

[Cease Tick]

Pursuit's listed on Smogon as legal. It's actually on some of the sets! AFAIK, it's an egg move.

No it's illegal in the counter game

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Pursuit's listed on Smogon as legal. It's actually on some of the sets! AFAIK, it's an egg move.

No. he meant that it's illegal in the counter game.

Rule 1: DON'T use:

-Moves: Acupressure, Assist, Attract, Baton Pass, Beat Up, Bind, Block, Camouflage, Captivate, Clamp, Destiny Bond, Double Team, Explosion, Fire Spin, Fissure, Flash, Foresight, Grudge, Guillotine, Healing Wish, Horn Drill, Lunar Dance, Magma Storm, Mean Look, Memento, Metronome, Mimic, Minimize, Miracle Eye, Mud-Slap, Nature Power, Odor Sleuth, Perish Song, Present, Pursuit, Roar, Sand-Attack, Sand Tomb, Selfdestruct, Sheer Cold, Sketch, Spider Web, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes, U-Turn, Whirlpool, Whirlwind, Wrap.

Anyhoo @Claydol

Milotic @ Life Orb
Modest / Marvel Scale
4 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Sp. Def
Rest
Sleep Talk
Hydro Pump
HP Electric

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Milotic @ Life Orb
Modest / Marvel Scale
4 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Sp. Def
Rest
Sleep Talk
Hydro Pump
HP Electric

Let me think...

Parasect @ Leftovers
Adamant / Dry Skin
252 HP / 150 Sp Def. / 108 Atk

Seed Bomb
X-Scissor
Spore
Swords Dance

Laughs as your Hydro Pump merely restores some of my health and HP Electric does pitiful damage anyway. Stats up with Swords Dance and OHKOs with Seed Bomb.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Honchcrow@Life Orb
Insomnia/Naive
252AT/252Speed/4HP

Drill Peck
Superpower
Heat Wave
Dark Pulse

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Honchcrow@Life Orb
Insomnia/Naive
252AT/252Speed/4HP

Drill Peck
Superpower
Heat Wave
Dark Pulse

Good lord, that's hard. But really, no Special Attack EVs? You aren't going to be killing with Heat Wave or Dark Pulse any time soon. Why not just go for Sucker Punch?

A'ight, let's see how this goes.

Shuckle @ Leftovers
Gluttony/Impish
252 HP / 232 Def. / 24 Sp. Def.

Sandstorm
Stone Edge
Rest
Knock Off

Sandstorm and humongous defenses mean you cannot 2HKO, especially after I Knock Off your Life Orb. I Rest off any damage accrued, then whittle you down with STAB Stone Edge, preying on your miserable defenses and 2x weakness.

*Crosses fingers*

 

[Wave⁂]

Ursaing @ Life Orb
Quick Feet / Jolly
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Taunt
Facade
Earthquake
Crunch

 

[Platypus]

Whatever happened to Bibarel?

Against Ursaring:

Gorebyss w/Expert Belt
Quiet/Swift Swim
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Sp. Atk.
+ Blizzard
+ Hydro Pump
+ Crunch
+ Aqua Tail
Roaaaaarshank.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Poliwrath@Leftovers
Careful/Water Absorb
252HP/252SpDef/4AT

Substitute
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Bulk Up

Unless you get a freeze or a defense drop courtesy of Crunch, you cannot win.
Hooray for another one of my favs!

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Whatever happened to Bibarel?

I believe he was either countering an illegal Pokemon or one which simply didn't counter its predecessor. Either way, your post would be ignored.

Poliwrath@Leftovers
Careful/Water Absorb
252HP/252SpDef/4AT

Substitute
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Bulk Up

Unless you get a freeze or a defense drop courtesy of Crunch, you cannot win.
Hooray for another one of my favs!

Ah, the famous SubPunch combo. Too bad that I have...

Frosslass @ BrightPowder
Rash / Snow Cloak
202 Spd. / 252 Sp. Atk. / 56 Def.

Taunt
Hail
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

Is immune to your STAB move and resists your other one, as well as being faster. Prevents you from Bulking Up or Subbing with Taunt, sets up a Hail to get that nice 20% evasion boost, then whittles your health down to eventual KO with Thunderbolt.

 

[Wave⁂]

Hitmonlee @ Muscle Band
Adamant / Reckless
252 Atk / 24 HP / 228 Spe
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Double Edge

Your Ice Beam:
259 Atk vs 256 Def & 247 HP (95 Base Power): 103 - 123 (41.70% - 49.80%)

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Your Ice Beam:
259 Atk vs 256 Def & 247 HP (95 Base Power): 103 - 123 (41.70% - 49.80%)

Something's not right there. 252 EVs in Spe. Atk + 31 IVs would give you 284 Special Attack. STAB would give Ice Beam ~137 power as well. Against a 24 HP Hitmonlee that does about 206 damage minimum, over 80% - a guaranteed 2HKO.

Don't forget that I also have a 30% evasion boost with Snow Cloak and BrightPowder, which does not go well with Stone Edge's accuracy. Earthquake would probably still hit and OHKO, though.

Out of curiosity, what tool do you use to calculate those results? I use Psypoke tools.

 

[supermarth64]

Something's not right there. 252 EVs in Spe. Atk + 31 IVs would give you 284 Special Attack. STAB would give Ice Beam ~137 power as well. Against a 24 HP Hitmonlee that does about 206 damage minimum, over 80% - a guaranteed 2HKO.

Don't forget that I also have a 30% evasion boost with Snow Cloak and BrightPowder, which does not go well with Stone Edge's accuracy. Earthquake would probably still hit and OHKO, though.

Out of curiosity, what tool do you use to calculate those results? I use Psypoke tools.

Counters are assumed minimum damage on switch-in from attacks and maximum damage on attacks.

Also, any move that has more than 50% accuracy is assumed to always hit for this counter game.

Libelldra's damage calc:
284 Atk vs 256 Def & 247 HP (95 Base Power): 114 - 135 (46.15% - 54.66%)
Psypoke's damage calc:
Min Avg Max
115 125.67 135
Froslass receives STAB (1.5× damage) for this attack

 

[Wave⁂]

****, forgot your nature.

Hitmonlee @ Muscle Band
Adamant / Reckless
252 Atk / 172 HP / 80 Def
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Double Edge

 

[Platypus]

Against Hitmonlee:

Stantler w/Chople Berry
Jolly/Intimidate
70 HP/ 240 Atk./ 200 Def.
+ Zen Headbutt
+ Hypnosis
+ Megahorn
+ Earthquake
Use Slowbro. See what happens.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Honchkrow @ Expert Belt
Adamant / Insomnia
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Atk
Superpower
Sucker Punch
Brave Bird
Roost

Immune to Zen Headbutt, Hypnosis and Earthquake, Stalls off Megahorn's limited PP with Roost. KOs with Superpower & Sucker Punch.

 

[Metal~Mario]

I did not know Stantler could learn Megahorn.

Honchkrow @ Expert Belt
Adamant / Insomnia
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Atk
Superpower
Sucker Punch
Brave Bird
Roost

Immune to Zen Headbutt, Hypnosis and Earthquake, Stalls off Megahorn's limited PP with Roost. KOs with Superpower & Sucker Punch.

Okay how about...

Rotom@Leftovers
Bold/Levitate
252HP/252Def/4SpDef

Will-o-wisp
Reflect
Thunder
Pain Split

Destroys your attack stat with Reflect and WoW. Stalls until one of two things happen:
-You Roost, then I use Thunder for 52%min every time, negating your Roosts
-You run out of Sucker Punch, then I spam Thunder for the win.

Brave Bird after WoW and Reflect does 8.6%max.