The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

[Terywj [태리]]

Driftblm @ Chesto Berry
Bold / Unburden
252 HP / 180 Sp Atk / 78 Def
~ Stockpile
~ Rest
~ Shadow Ball
~ Hidden Power [Fighting]

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Chesto Rest Difblim is amazingly good. No Calm Mind, though?

Camerupt @ Leftovers
Brave / Solid Rock
252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 SpAtk
Fire Blast
Earthquake
Stone Edge
HP Grass

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Aggron@Liechi Berry
Adamant/ Rock Head
252 Hp/ 252 Atk/ 4 Def
Superpower
Earthquake
Head Smash...
Fire Punch

Edit: I meant Head Smash...

Not Rock Head

Edit Edit: Replace Life Orb with Liechi Berry

 

[Wave⁂]

Huh, I just had a weird thought. Weirder than Rock Head becoming a move.

Terywj switched in Drifblim.
Munchlax used Natural Power!

Platypus switched out Munchlax. annoying switched in Camerupt.
Drifblim used Shadow Ball!

Terywj switched out Drifblim. PsychoIncarnate switched in Aggron.
Camerupt used Yawn! Aggron became drowsy!

annoying switched out Camerupt. X switched in Y.
Aggron used Z! Aggron fell asleep!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Edit: Someone tell me if my counter works...

I got Camerupt doing 83.14% - 97.97% with Earthquake

and Aggron dealing 127.91% - 150.29% with +1 Head Smash

 

[WouW]

Camerupt can hit you with, say, min dealing Fire Blast on the switch and you can't KO him while he can.

Again, counters must be able to switch in to ANY move, not just the strongest one.

 

[Wave⁂]

What about my Yawn question? Do we just assume you don't use Yawn on the switch?

 

[WouW]

Is there any reason why it wouldn't be used? (other than it not being beneficial)

 

[Circa]

What about my Yawn question? Do we just assume you don't use Yawn on the switch?

No, yawn would never be used in this theoretical situation; or at least not the way I perceive it. I always thought that the counter game was much like a neverending mental battle between two opponents where each one carries one-step-ahead clairvoyance; meaning that each one is simply perceiving what the other will send out before the switch even takes place, and will counter-switch before any action begins.

Or in other words, your Pokemon are never going to get the chance to attack, because they're going to almost immediately be switched back out after being switched in. But yes, your opponent will still have to treat Yawn as a possibility for the switch-in, despite the fact that you'll never use it.

 

[Platypus]

Yawn could happen, but, for the purposes of the next counter, assume that the foe threw a Master Ball at Aggron.

Against Camerupt:

Pelipper w/Charti Berry
Docile/Keen Eye
160 Atk./ 200 Def./ 150 Sp. Atk.
+ Seed Bomb
+ Hydro Pump
+ Air Slash
+ Agility
Pelipper can spam Hydro Pump.

 

[Wave⁂]

Pachirisu (ya rly) @ Life Orb
Modest / 252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Super Fang
Thunder
Grass Knot
Fake Tears

Urp.

 

[Platypus]

I didn't even consider the rodent. Curse the unexpectedly high Special Defense of obscure monsters.

Luxray w/Liechi Berry
Mild/Rivalry
150 Atk./ 160 Sp. Atk./ 160 Sp. Def./ 40 Speed
+ Superpower
+ Crunch
+ Thunder
+ Natural Gift
A be-Rivalry'd Superpower has only 150 power, but I have reason to assume that I'm not screwed.

 

[M.K]

I didn't even consider the rodent. Curse the unexpectedly high Special Defense of obscure monsters.

Luxray w/Liechi Berry
Mild/Rivalry
150 Atk./ 160 Sp. Atk./ 160 Sp. Def./ 40 Speed
+ Superpower
+ Crunch
+ Thunder
+ Natural Gift
A be-Rivalry'd Superpower has only 150 power, but I have reason to assume that I'm not screwed.

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Careful / Pressure
252 Sp. Defense / 252 Sp. Attack / 6 Speed
~ Dark Pulse
~ Hidden Power Ground
~ Shadow Ball
~ Nasty Plot

O_o Spiritomb is UU? THE ****?

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Honchkrow @ Leftovers
Adamant (+ atk - sp. atk)
Insomnia
252 atk/212 speed/46 sp. def
~Drill Peck
~Roost
~Superpower
~Night Slash

Probably doesn't work, but I wanna get back into this, so little by little.

 

[Wave⁂]

What are the rules about Rivalry?

 

[WouW]

I dunno. Suggestions?

 

[Wave⁂]

The way I see it, we have three options:

1. Ignore it

2. Always +25% against opponents with a gender

3. -25% while countering and +25% while defending against a counter (again, if the opponent has a gender)

 

[WouW]

Rivalry is ignored if we don't know both your and your opponent's gender.

Added that in the rules.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Donphan @ Leftovers
Adamant / Sturdy
52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Def
~ Ice Shard
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
~ Assurance

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Modest / Rain Dish
252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Speed
Hydro Pump
Blizzard
Energy Ball
Synthesis

 

[UltiMario]

Articuno@Leftovers
Calm/Pressure
252HP/252SpA/4Spe
Air Cutter
Ice Beam
Roost
Toxic

Inb4Lanturn

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Registeel @ Leftovers
Careful (+sp. def - sp. atk)
Clear Body
252 atk/252 sp. def/6 HP
~Iron Head
~Earthquake
~Ice Punch
~Toxic

Pretty sure I don't need to do damage calcs to know that this will work, and if it doesn't, then this is a bad post and I should feel bad.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Aggron @ Leichi berry
Adamant/ Rock Head
252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 4 Def
~ Head Smash
~ Super Power
~ Earthquake
~ Aqua Tail

I actually think I got it this time!


Edit:

NO!!!!!! I was ninja'd!!!

Ignore aggron again

Actually, I'm going to see if Aggron still can work...

 

[xLeafybug =D]

@Aggron

Claydol @ Passho Berry
Bold / Levitate
4 HP/ 252 Def / 252 Sp. Atk
Earth Power
Psychic
Ice Beam
Trick Room

Claydol is Immune to Earthquake, and resists Superpower and Head Smash.
And thanks to Passho Berry, I survive 2 Aqua Tail, and 0HKO with Earth Power.
4x Weaknesses FTW.

...This is gonna get countered so easily.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I believe the current counter is still Registeel?

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Crap, I only read the last post before mine. Registeel 2HKO's Aggron with EQ.

 

[Platypus]

Oh, Registeel: so ridiculously overused in the Underused tier.

I finagle

Hitmonchan w/Iron Ball
Adamant/Iron Fist
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Speed
+ Sky Uppercut
+ Ice Punch
+ Bulk Up
and + Fling.
I ron!

 

[Wave⁂]

Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Adamant / Anticipation
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Swords Dance
Cross Chop
Gunk Shot
Stone Edge

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Crap, I only read the last post before mine. Registeel 2HKO's Aggron with EQ.

...I thought I could finally use Aggron when I saw that articuno with no super effective moves against him...

...Aggron, it seems you can't safely switch in to anything...

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Adamant / Anticipation
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Swords Dance
Cross Chop
Gunk Shot
Stone Edge

I'm at school right now, so I can't really check anything, but my Claydol that I posted earlier should work here, with a simple item switch.

Claydol @ Leftovers
Bold / Levitate
4 HP/ 252 Def / 252 Sp. Atk
Earth Power
Psychic
Ice Beam
Trick Room

Claydol should 0HKO Toxicroak with Psychic. But I'm at school, so I can't check.

 

[Wave⁂]

Mantine @ Leftovers
Modest / Water Absorb
252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Def
Hydro Pump
Blizzard
HP Flying (lolwut)
Signal Beam

Mantine has a crappy special movepool, but he's got a decent physical one...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Calm/ Volt Absorb
252 HP/ 252 SpD/ 4 SpA
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt
~ Ice Beam
~ Toxic

 

[M.K]

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Calm/ Volt Absorb
252 HP/ 252 SpD/ 4 SpA
~ Surf
~ Thunderbolt
~ Ice Beam
~ Toxic

Ludicolo @ Mexican Takeout (Leftovers)
Chalupa Crazy (Modest) / Rain Dish
252 Sp. Attack / 252 Sp. Defense / 6 Speed
~ Energy Ball
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
~ Hidden Power (Fire)

Oh lawl.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Does this work?

Toxicroak@Life Orb
Dry Skin/Adamant
252AT/252Speed/6HP
Poison Jab
Ice Punch
Cross Chop
Sucker Punch

Thankfully HP Fire can't KO....

 

[Platypus]

Mantyke from Little Cup can do serious damage with Earthquake.

Without any defensive investment, HP Fire will have 140 power and Toxicroak will take 10% damage when it attacks.

Anyways, I use
Arbok w/Black Sludge
Adamant/Intimidate
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Speed
+ Substitute
+ Switcheroo
+ Gunk Shot
+ Aqua Tail
Beware, ye Weezing.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Mantyke from Little Cup can do serious damage with Earthquake.

Without any defensive investment, HP Fire will have 140 power and Toxicroak will take 10% damage when it attacks.

Anyways, I use
Arbok w/Black Sludge
Adamant/Intimidate
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Speed
+ Substitute
+ Switcheroo
+ Gunk Shot
+ Aqua Tail
Beware, ye Weezing.

Odd counter, I wouldn't expect taking down a poison type with a poison move...

 

[xLeafybug =D]

@Arbok

Alakazam @ Life Orb
Timid / Inner Focus
4 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spe
-Psychic
-Focus Blast
-Energy Ball
-Signal Beam

And before you ask. Yes, Alakazam was dropped to UU.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Really? How come?

Spiritomb@Leftovers
Pressure/Calm
252HP/180DEF/76SpDEF
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting
Will-o-wisp
Pain Split

Better than my previous counter?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Tiers are based on usage. Alakazam couldn't meet the usage requirements and fell down into UU.

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

How sad
That'll be a major game-changer for UU though.

*Remembers the existence of Pursuit*

Then again, maybe not...