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The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

WouW

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Rampardos @ Life Orb
Adamant/Mold Breaker
252Atk/252SpD/4HP
Head Smash
Earthquake
Zen Headbutt
Fire Punch

Fear this thing that can KO Spiritomb in one hit.
 

Wave⁂

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Hitmontop @ Life Orb
Adamant / Technician
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Mach Punch
Bullet Punch
Pursuit
Revenge

I survive a Head Smash, and OHKO with Mach Punch.
 

Burnt Noodles

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Rampardos @ Life Orb
Adamant/Mold Breaker
252Atk/252SpD/4HP
Head Smash
Earthquake
Zen Headbutt
Fire Punch

Fear this thing that can KO Spiritomb in one hit.

Steelix @ Iron Ball
Ability: Rock Head
EV's: 252HP/186Atk/72Def
Adamant (+Atk -Satk)
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Roar

Shrugs off the 41 damage from Head Smash on the switch, and takes just 112 from Fire punch. Gyro Ball gets to 115 power not including STAB according to my calcualtions:

Power = 25(Rampardos speed/Steelix's speed)
Power = 25(152(65/2))
Power = 25(152/33)
Power = 25(4.606060)
Power = 115.15
Power = 115 rounded down

492 damage to your Rampardos.
 

WouW

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Your calcs are wrong: I get 54 - 64 (15.25% - 18.08%) for Head Smash, 146 - 174 (41.24% - 49.15%) for Fire Punch and 194 - 230 (54.80% - 64.97%) with Earthquake, 2HKOing you before you can move. Also, Gyro Ball does 440 - 518 (130.95% - 154.17%) meaning you get min 440, not 492. Nice try though.
 

IC3R

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Man, I wish I had a Hippo...

But, I'll have to settle for this:


Torterra @ Life Orb
Jolly / Overgrow
EVs - 80 HP, 228 Att, 196 Spd
~Wood Hammer
~Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Rock Polish

Can come in on Fire Punch to barely survive and outspeed to score a OHKO with Wood Hammer or Earthquake. Rock Polish is an option to outspeed incoming faster counters.
 

IC3R

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I was curious if you would say something like that. I shall edit accordingly.

EVs are now: 80 HP, 228 Att, 196 Spd
 

Burnt Noodles

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Your calcs are wrong: I get 54 - 64 (15.25% - 18.08%) for Head Smash, 146 - 174 (41.24% - 49.15%) for Fire Punch and 194 - 230 (54.80% - 64.97%) with Earthquake, 2HKOing you before you can move. Also, Gyro Ball does 440 - 518 (130.95% - 154.17%) meaning you get min 440, not 492. Nice try though.
Ah, apologies, I forgot to take your LO into account, let me retry that:


Machamp @ Payapa berry
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 230 HP/252 Atk/28 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk -Satk)
-Dynamic punch
-Ice punch
-Rest
-Sleep talk

Can come in on any of your attacks, outspeed and OHKO.

Also the max damage is 492 with Gyro Ball but w/e
 

WouW

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No OUs are allowed in the counter game. And you got ninja'd.

EDIT: Wait a sec, Torterra has 351 HP, LO does 35 damage and Fire Punch deals max 316 damage. 316+35=351. Torterra needs 1 more HP (4 more EVs).
 

PsychoIncarnate

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Ah, apologies, I forgot to take your LO into account, let me retry that:


Machamp @ Payapa berry
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 230 HP/252 Atk/28 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk -Satk)
-Dynamic punch
-Ice punch
-Rest
-Sleep talk

Can come in on any of your attacks, outspeed and OHKO.

Also the max damage is 492 with Gyro Ball but w/e
Read the rules. OU pokemon are not allowed.

Edit: Funny...I just got ninja'd. My computer is running slow this morning
 

Burnt Noodles

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Oh OK, sorry. If Toterra is being accepted as a counter:


Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
Ev's: 252HP /228 Def/28 Spe
Nature: Impish (+Def - Satk)
-Sleep Powder
-Knock Off
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip

Can come in on any attack, sleep you, Knock Off your LO and Power Whip you to death.

EDIT: erm, should I post this again after IC3R or something?
 

IC3R

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No OUs are allowed in the counter game. And you got ninja'd.

EDIT: Wait a sec, Torterra has 351 HP, LO does 35 damage and Fire Punch deals max 316 damage. 316+35=351. Torterra needs 1 more HP (4 more EVs).
lol I'm doing all this off the top of my head xD

Very well, EVs are now: 84 HP, 224 Att, 196 Spd......so, yeah.


vs Rampy:

Torterra @ Life Orb
Jolly / Overgrow
EVs - 84 HP, 224 Att, 196 Spd
~Wood Hammer
~Earthquake
~Stone Edge
~Rock Polish
 

IC3R

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I like how it took like 10 posts just to counter one pokémon.

Also, to avoid confusion, Tangrowth is the current counter.

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
Ev's: 252HP /228 Def/28 Spe
Nature: Impish (+Def - Satk)
-Sleep Powder
-Knock Off
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip

Can come in on any attack, sleep you, Knock Off your LO and Power Whip you to death.

vs. Tangrowth:


@ Lum Berry
Rash / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 HP, 12 Def, 244 SpAtt
~Blizzard
~Energy Ball
~Earthquake
~Substitute

Lum Berry protects from status, and Substitute prevents it in case Lum gets Knocked Off. (My Subs are also strong enough to withstand a max damage Power Whip.)

100% acc Blizzard vs. Tangrowth, need I say more?
 

Burnt Noodles

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vs. Tangrowth:


@ Lum Berry
Rash / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 HP, 12 Def, 244 SpAtt
~Blizzard
~Energy Ball
~Earthquake
~Substitute

Lum Berry protects from status, and Substitute prevents it in case Lum gets Knocked Off. (My Subs are also strong enough to withstand a max damage Power Whip.)

100% acc Blizzard vs. Tangrowth, need I say more?

Moltres @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
Ev's: 252 Satk/252 Spe/6 HP
Nature: Naive(+ Satk - Sdef)
-U-Turn
-Flamethrower
-Air Slash
-Hidden Power [Grass]

Can switch in on the turn you sub or take any of those attacks then outspeed + OHKO.
 

Burnt Noodles

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vs. Tangrowth:


@ Lum Berry
Rash / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 HP, 12 Def, 244 SpAtt
~Blizzard
~Energy Ball
~Earthquake
~Substitute

Lum Berry protects from status, and Substitute prevents it in case Lum gets Knocked Off. (My Subs are also strong enough to withstand a max damage Power Whip.)

100% acc Blizzard vs. Tangrowth, need I say more?

Moltres @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Ev's: 252 Satk/252 Spe/6 HP
Nature: Naive(+ Satk - Sdef)
-Roost
-Flamethrower
-Air Slash
-Hidden Power [Grass]

Can switch in on the turn you sub or take any of those attacks then outspeed + OHKO.

U-Turn, as well as Choice Scarf, are banned. Read the rules please.
Sorry, but where are the rules? I checked the global rules but didn't see anything.
 

Neo Exdeath

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vs. Tangrowth:


@ Lum Berry
Rash / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 HP, 12 Def, 244 SpAtt
~Blizzard
~Energy Ball
~Earthquake
~Substitute

Lum Berry protects from status, and Substitute prevents it in case Lum gets Knocked Off. (My Subs are also strong enough to withstand a max damage Power Whip.)

100% acc Blizzard vs. Tangrowth, need I say more?


@Lefties
252 SpAtk/252 Speed/4 SpDef
Modest/Flash Fire
~Flamethrower
~Extremespeed
~HP Fighting
~Dragon Pulse


Edit: Ninja'd
 

NJzFinest

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The rules are on the first post.

This is "The Counter Game" thread, not a thread for simply coming up with random counters (that would be too easy and boring).
 

Burnt Noodles

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@Lefties
252 SpAtk/252 Speed/4 SpDef
Modest/Flash Fire
~Flamethrower
~Extremespeed
~HP Fighting
~Dragon Pulse

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EV's: 252 HP/104 Def/144 SDef
Nature: Careful(+SDef -Atk)
-Surf
-Hidden Power [Electric]
-Hypnosis
-Recover

Can take any of those hits twice, sleep you, Recover then Surf.

The rules are on the first post.

This is "The Counter Game" thread, not a thread for simply coming up with random counters (that would be too easy and boring).
Thanks. Can I ask why no choice items?
 

NJzFinest

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Shaymin @ Leftovers
Timid/Natural Cure
252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Substitute
Leech Seed
Seed Flare
Hidden Power Fire
 

Wave⁂

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Quagsire @ Leftovers
Relaxed / Water Absorb
252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpDef
Yawn
Recover
Earthquake
Ice Beam

Oh ****, ninja'd.

Flareon @ Life Orb
Lonely / Flash Fire
192 Atk / 184 SpAtk / 124 Speed
Fire Blast
Superpower
HP Grass
Return
 

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How was Arcanine the counter? Wasn't Moltres modified to be a legal counter? If i'm right then what's the current counter?
 

Neo Exdeath

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How was Arcanine the counter? Wasn't Moltres modified to be a legal counter? If i'm right then what's the current counter?
I was countering Abomasnow, but I was ninja'd. The current counter is Clefable. Which means you now have to counter it.

@NJzFinest: Was your earlier post referring to me?
 

NJzFinest

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Nope, it was for Mitolic. Arcanine would poop on Shaymin lol

I think there has been too many ninjas lol. I agree with just leaving the current counter with Clefable to avoid confusion.
 

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Registeel@Leftovers
Careful/Clear Body
252HP/100Def/156SpD
Iron Head
Toxic
Rest
Earthquake

You don't win.
 

Wave⁂

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Moltres @ Life Orb
Modest
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Overheat
Fire Blast
Flamethrower
Heat Wave

Do I win?
 

PsychoIncarnate

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Am I to assume Burnt Noodles countered his own moltress with the milotic instead of the arcanine which his post has...

Otherwise the whole chain after Moltress is wrong...
 

Wave⁂

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Dammit, PsychoIncarnate. I think you're right.

EDIT: ...unless the Arcanine counters the Moltres. Doing damage calcs...

EDIT2: Air Slash 2HKOs Arcanine, while while Arcanine's Dragon Pulse is a 3-4HKO.
 

UltiMario

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Politoed@Leftovers
Calm/Water Absorb
252HP/252SpA/4SpD
Ice Beam
Surf
Hidden Power Electric
Hypnosis

Nope.

Edit: We said that Clefable was the current counter just to stop things
I was countering Abomasnow, but I was ninja'd. The current counter is Clefable. Which means you now have to counter it.
I think there has been too many ninjas lol. I agree with just leaving the current counter with Clefable to avoid confusion.
 

Neo Exdeath

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@PsychoIncarnete:


@UltiMario: I countered Clefable with Espeon.

Edit: Burnt Noodles countered my Arcanine, not his Moltres. Which means everything is normal.
 

Wave⁂

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Lanturn @ Leftovers
Modest / Volt Absorb
252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 Def
Hydro Pump
Thunder
Blizzard
HP Grass

BoltBeam, suck it.
 
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