The Complexity of Melee Team MatchUps

[Mew2King]

M2K tried both Marth and Fox vs Hungrybox at Winterfest.

His Fox did significantly better.

while this is true, i did beat hbox in crews with marth. Well, I had 2 stocks vs Hbox's 4, and I took him to 1 stock mid %. Wasn't put online sadly but yeah

I beat hbox (got lucky sorta tho) in a 3/5 set this weekend but my controller got lost afterwords so idk if I'm gonna do melee in the future or any time soon rather cuz of that

 

[Lordydennek]

Bowser doesn't suck in teams. Quit life! Me or WarriorKnight or both us together doing double Bowser make it work. Alukard and I got 13th in teams at Pound 3 going Marth/Bowser 95% of the time.

Here's a cool match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrKR4ouWUbM

Here's a funny match (especially near the end with the lone Mario):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHHGBDMl3k

most epic ending eva

 

[Wenbobular]

while this is true, i did beat hbox in crews with marth. Well, i had 2 stocks vs hbox's 4, and i took him to 1 stock mid %. Wasn't put online sadly but yeah

i beat hbox (got lucky sorta tho) in a 3/5 set this weekend but my controller got lost afterwords so idk if i'm gonna do melee in the future or any time soon rather cuz of that

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Dark Hart]

When is comes to team complexity, it really comes down to who's gonna be the support character and what characters are better for that.

 

[exarch]

Ganon in teams

How the **** is this the first and only time Ganon's been mentioned in this thread?

He's just as good or better than peach in teams.

Deals about the same in damage payout.
Doesn't get edgeguarded either (Because of his teammate.)
Lives longer flat out, since he's a lot heavier.
Actually kills things.
Has better punishers for quick team combos.

The only thing he's not better at is saving his teammate.


Jiggs
-----
Fox
-----
Peach/Ganon

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

How the **** is this the first and only time Ganon's been mentioned in this thread?

He's just as good or better than peach in teams.

Deals about the same in damage payout.
Doesn't get edgeguarded either (Because of his teammate.)
Lives longer flat out, since he's a lot heavier.
Actually kills things.
Has better punishers for quick team combos.

The only thing he's not better at is saving his teammate.


Jiggs
-----
Fox
-----
Peach/Ganon

he does do **** damage, but to say he doesn't get edgeguarded is like saying all characters dont get edgeguarded because of a teammate, unless you mean something else? regardless, ganons recovery isn't that great at all, i wouldnt consider it a pro over a con.

 

[Charlesz]

Jiggs
Fox
Falco
Peach
C falcon
Ganon

 

[exarch]

Nah that's exactly what I'm saying.

Peach's ability to not be edgeguarded easily is not that big of an advantage in teams because no one gets edgeguarded easily. I was more of saying that peach's "pro" in that area is not a big deal.

Without going into too much detail, I'll say one of Ganon's biggest weaknesses in singles is how easily his recovery is exploited. He might take a long time to edgeguard, but most characters kill him without many problems once he's off the edge. Ganon greatly decreases one of his biggest flaws as a character in teams.

It's one of the things that makes peach definitely better than ganon in singles, but it HEAVILY nerfed in teams. Part of why he's as good as or better than peach in teams.

 

[XoFF]

Nah that's exactly what I'm saying.

Peach's ability to not be edgeguarded easily is not that big of an advantage in teams because no one gets edgeguarded easily. I was more of saying that peach's "pro" in that area is not a big deal.

Without going into too much detail, I'll say one of Ganon's biggest weaknesses in singles is how easily his recovery is exploited. He might take a long time to edgeguard, but most characters kill him without many problems once he's off the edge. Ganon greatly decreases one of his biggest flaws as a character in teams.

It's one of the things that makes peach definitely better than ganon in singles, but it HEAVILY nerfed in teams. Part of why he's as good as or better than peach in teams.

I agree with this fawker

 

[Strong Badam]

id say if m2k plays marth how we know he's capable of playing than he can beat hbox's puff.

also he beat hbox yesterday in WF's

using fox

this thread had such a promising title, then the OP was completely ****. god.

 

[metaivan]

while this is true, i did beat hbox in crews with marth. Well, I had 2 stocks vs Hbox's 4, and I took him to 1 stock mid %. Wasn't put online sadly but yeah

I beat hbox (got lucky sorta tho) in a 3/5 set this weekend but my controller got lost afterwords so idk if I'm gonna do melee in the future or any time soon rather cuz of that

man you will still playing

 

[XoFF]

if mew2king quits...

 

[Siglemic]

while this is true, i did beat hbox in crews with marth. Well, I had 2 stocks vs Hbox's 4, and I took him to 1 stock mid %. Wasn't put online sadly but yeah

I beat hbox (got lucky sorta tho) in a 3/5 set this weekend but my controller got lost afterwords so idk if I'm gonna do melee in the future or any time soon rather cuz of that

calm your **** zimmerman

just buy a new one and break it in

it only takes 1-2 months

 

[ranmaru]

I think Falco is extremely underrated as a teams character, and I think Falco/Sheik is definitely one of the best teams in the game.

With both characters having projectiles, combos can be broken up consistently, saving each other via refreshing their up b's with lasers, to being able to harass the other person edgeguarding your teammate from across the stage is just too good.

Sheik grab Falco Dtilt is pretty much just like grab Usmash with Fox.

If the Falco is technically sound, he can go very aggro and be protected from retaliation from Sheik, who is the ultimate assist character.

He doesn't have to though, he can just sit back and shoot lasers to interrupt random things which also can help cover Sheik's weaknesses in teams sometimes, like her tech chases not being as good, or her edgeguarding being interrupted. Falco's there to just laser and wall the opponent from stopping Sheik, and sheik can do the same thing with needles.

Both characters have amazing bairs which can help fending off an opponent who's trying to save his teammate.

There's just so much potential for that team and I don't think it's been reached yet.

You know, I think I like teaming with Falco... err... or do I? Maybe it's PERSON dependent... lol sorry kurt.



But no love for doc. : [ doc can edge guard! but bad recovery and we can't save our team mates... we are a doctor for god sakes!

 

[Zone]

Why the hell are people always stealing your controller M2k I've had my wallet full of hundreds returned to me more than you've lost controllers someone must have it out for you

 

[ranmaru]

Why the hell are people always stealing your controller M2k I've had my wallet full of hundreds returned to me more than you've lost controllers someone must have it out for you

It seems two controllers got confused and a switcha-roo happened.

Now it seems someone is left with a crappy controller xD

 

[Nizro]

Peach with any character -> God
Puff with most characters -> God

CF is easily high tier, he live long, very seldom get gimped, kill and gimp easily and can teamcombo from anywhere on the stage..
Puff and Peach are control characters, they don't do so well in ditto teams, since you would want someone getting the enemies attention while Peach/Puff get inside their defenses ever so slowly, CF, Fox, Falco, Marth can all do this.

So I never consider Puff/Puff or Peach/Peach as the best team but when either of them are in a team it'll be beast.. since both of these characters got some ridiculous move that break momentum and rank dmg(Peach with her dsmash and puff with the bair and rest)..
Man this game would be so much better if Peach and Puff were banned or taken out of the game, then all games would be fast and great and not like "OMG CC DOWNSMASH, I did 60% on you :D:D:D"

 

[ranmaru]

nah I like playing against puff and peach what you talking about

 

[1048576]

Peach with any character -> God
Puff with most characters -> God

CF is easily high tier, he live long, very seldom get gimped, kill and gimp easily and can teamcombo from anywhere on the stage..
Puff and Peach are control characters, they don't do so well in ditto teams, since you would want someone getting the enemies attention while Peach/Puff get inside their defenses ever so slowly, CF, Fox, Falco, Marth can all do this.

So I never consider Puff/Puff or Peach/Peach as the best team but when either of them are in a team it'll be beast.. since both of these characters got some ridiculous move that break momentum and rank dmg(Peach with her dsmash and puff with the bair and rest)..
Man this game would be so much better if Peach and Puff were banned or taken out of the game, then all games would be fast and great and not like "OMG CC DOWNSMASH, I did 60% on you :D:D:D"

*Looks at location

lolol peach johns