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Mahgnittoc

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For Pokemon avatars go to smogon.com and search the pokemon like this:

Just search the pokemon, click it's image, then tinypic it.

As far as the PR list goes... I'm not even gonna be an *** and say anything cause everyone has thoughts and opinions and I don't think I can voice what I wanna say and not offend anyone.
 

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I might not say anything mean at all, but I would say a lot of stuff that would make me seem like an arrogant douche.
i say things that make me seem like an arrogant. idiotic, douche all the time and everyone still <3's me
 

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Ok then.

Let's start with what elev8 said. I don't lose to people I'm not suppose to lose. If I go to a tourney you have a pretty good idea about where I'm going to place and from what everyone else was saying, Slam and Aloha haven't been consistant, or have been placing a tad lower than me. This alone shouldn't put them below me though. They both do go to more tournies.

But then again, If I should win the match I'm going to win. And honestly, at this point in time, I have proved that in the situations we've all been put in, I can pull through better than both of you. I can't say anything against Cheap because I haven't paid much attention to him or played against him. But for Slam and Jay, I'll go ahead and say it. I was better than you two at the last Gamebox. I actually sat down and played sets vs you 2. and I did win a majority of sets.

I'm not counting fatigue or mistakes you guys made because in W/L that doesn't matter. If you tripped into an fsmash 3 times and died all 3 times then that's a win for me. The record doesn't say Mahg got lucky and Sakurai hates Aloha so he made him trip giving Mahg the win. It simply states "Mahg beat Aloha."

I'm not saying either of you two are bad players and both of you are and do compete with me for a spot on the PR list, but being direct about it that's how it is.
 

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Oh, I agree that you outplaced me, Shaslam, and Aloha at those two tournaments, but what I'm saying is that you didnt actually beat anyone ranked, nor have you shown that you can beat people that they can't.

Also, nobody considers friendlies to have any effect on any type of rankings. People do not play their hardest in these.
 

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Well, aren't you above Slam on the PR while Aloha's not even on it?
Slam said give me my 8th spot back and Aloha is competing to get on it. I could either be taken off for not being active enough or because Aloha has worked harder to be on the PR and has more results.
 

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Oh, I agree that you outplaced me, Shaslam, and Aloha at those two tournaments, but what I'm saying is that you didnt actually beat anyone ranked, nor have you shown that you can beat people that they can't.

Also, nobody considers friendlies to have any effect on any type of rankings. People do not play their hardest in these.
That's not always true. after a tourney and you challenge someone on the PR list and you both go mains that's a bit more than a friendly. Even though it might not count for PR it does prove that if we play 10 times with our mains and we're both trying to win and I win 7/10 I'm better than you.

Of course that only applies if we don't sit down and just play each other day after day after day and we learn each other patterns.
 

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That's not always true. after a tourney and you challenge someone on the PR list and you both go mains that's a bit more than a friendly. Even though it might not count for PR it does prove that if we play 10 times with our mains and we're both trying to win and I win 7/10 I'm better than you.

Of course that only applies if we don't sit down and just play each other day after day after day and we learn each other patterns.
I agree unless there's a crappy matchup involved like Fox v Pikachu. On the other hand, tournament matches are weighed heavier because they are recorded and both players are presumably playing to win.
 

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That's not always true. after a tourney and you challenge someone on the PR list and you both go mains that's a bit more than a friendly. Even though it might not count for PR it does prove that if we play 10 times with our mains and we're both trying to win and I win 7/10 I'm better than you.
Anything less than a 5$ money match shouldn't be considered serious. People pay less attention in friendlies, don't try as hard when they get behind, have nothing to gain or lose, etc.

People just dont try as hard. Maybe you were trying your hardest, and maybe thats why you won, but not everyone tries their hardest in friendlies. I would say few people do.

I'm not saying you dont deserve the spot, mainly because I have no idea if you do. You haven't played any matches against anyone in the old top 10, I have no idea what your skill level is. I'm just saying that you havent shown anyone how good you are, and thus shouldnt be ranked so high.
 

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Anything less than a 5$ money match shouldn't be considered serious. People pay less attention in friendlies, don't try as hard when they get behind, have nothing to gain or lose, etc.

People just dont try as hard. Maybe you were trying your hardest, and maybe thats why you won, but not everyone tries their hardest in friendlies. I would say few people do.
I don't know if it's necessarily that. I think it's more like people are less likely to play campy/safe in friendlies.
 

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I don't know if it's necessarily that. I think it's more like people are less likely to play campy/safe in friendlies.
I know I play alot of wifitards and that might be clouding my judgement, but the people I've played against do play that way just so they feel comfortable when they have to do it in a big moment. I mean playing against a real person is aways better than a computer so they will be more likely to camp
 

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I don't know if it's necessarily that. I think it's more like people are less likely to play campy/safe in friendlies.
Thats true, at least for me, to a major extent. I play friendlies ABSURDLY aggressive, and even in tournaments if I've been playing melee, I play stupidly aggressive.

Under normal "serious" circumstances, people do play campier and "gayer." I would also like shaslam's opinion on whether he tries his "absolute hardest" in friendlies.
 

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Thats true, at least for me, to a major extent. I play friendlies ABSURDLY aggressive, and even in tournaments if I've been playing melee, I play stupidly aggressive.

Under normal "serious" circumstances, people do play campier and "gayer." I would also like shaslam's opinion on whether he tries his "absolute hardest" in friendlies.
I do the same thing. When I was playing Saint in friendlies, I got 2 stocked a lot because I was being really aggressive. When I played him in brackets, I still got beaten, but I managed to get him down to 1 stock because I played campier.

EDIT: (Saint = ICs for those that don't know)
 

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Heh, ICs in particular it is very important to have matchup knowledge against, which few people at that tourny seemed to have. I mean, he is a great ICs, its just that his skill level was quite difficult to judge since nobody played against him correctly.
 

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Heh, ICs in particular it is very important to have matchup knowledge against, which few people at that tourny seemed to have. I mean, he is a great ICs, its just that his skill level was quite difficult to judge since nobody played against him correctly.
I've been trying my hardest to learn it with Pikachu. It is very tough with him because of his range, but the tools are there for me to win it. I just need an ICs to practice against.
 

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ima say this i use ics and olimar two chracters thAT TAKES ALOT OF SKILL TO PLAY! i mean the time it takes to learn them is far more superior than any other chracters in brawl! so with that being said kevin , magh will cam yall are good but nobody in this list is better than me skill wise ! im just saying snake is overpowering ftilts and utilts !diddy kong? potassium all day! pikachu? has way more options that most!
metaknight? enough said the reason why so many people lose to the ics is b/c nobody takes the time to learn technical things anymore! falcos, snakes, metaknights, lucarios, pikachus, u see them all the time!

Ask ralph how long it took to learn how ics work? hell ive been using them 7 months now and still learning how they work ics are fun and unique the fact that you can use two people is insane! in closing i feel like i have earned a spot on the pr because ive proven myself not just in this state but also in the southeast!
 

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ima say this i use ics and olimar two chracters thAT TAKES ALOT OF SKILL TO PLAY! i mean the time it takes to learn them is far more superior than any other chracters in brawl! so with that being said kevin , magh will cam yall are good but nobody in this list is better than me skill wise ! im just saying snake is overpowering ftilts and utilts !diddy kong? potassium all day! pikachu? has way more options that most!
metaknight? enough said the reason why so many people lose to the ics is b/c nobody takes the time to learn technical things anymore! falcos, snakes, metaknights, lucarios, pikachus, u see them all the time!

Ask ralph how long it took to learn how ics work? hell ive been using them 7 months now and still learning how they work ics are fun and unique the fact that you can use two people is insane! in closing i feel like i have earned a spot on the pr because ive proven myself not just in this state but also in the southeast!
Tournament results speak for themselves. I don't mean to put you down, but what makes you think you are so entitled to a spot? Let's look at your record.

-Back in September at Vulcan Gamebox 6, you got a bye and then beat one person in brackets, T1J. It's worth noting that T1J came back and still placed higher than you by beating 3 people in Loser's bracket. You lost to Will and Kola.

-At AUSOM 2 in October, you made it out of pools, then beat no one (but you received 2 byes which boosted your placement to 13th). I don't know who was in your pool, but obviously you beat 1 or 2 people in pools. Fair enough, you made it out. In brackets you lost to Kola and Elev8. Who did you beat in pools?

-At Resist the New World Order 2 last month, you placed 13th (second to last). That means you probably beat only one person. Unfortunately, brackets weren't posted for that tournament. I do remember however that T1J had a rematch with you and beat you back. Who else did you beat/lose to at this tournament?

-At Vulcan Gamebox 7, you beat an unknown guy named Pharoh first round. Then you proceeded to lose to Will in winner's bracket and Cheap in loser's. Yet again, you placed second to last.

If you think my assessment of your record is unfair, then please explain why. The thing is, I think you're a great player, but I think most competitive players in AL are good. In order for you to deserve a spot, you have to prove that you are better than them in tournament. If you can't do that, then you aren't entitled to a PR placement. Getting second to last at every tournament IMO does not equate to PR material. I know it's harsh, but it's how I feel about it. Make top ten at every tournament, and you will be basically guaranteed a place. Please note that I don't think I'm PR material either, so I'm not trying to condescend to you or say I'm any better.

Look at it this way: who would you take off? Do you think someone on the new list is undeserving of their spot? If so, explain why using tournament evidence, because that's the only kind of evidence that really matters here.

Also, the skill level it takes to play a character isn't taken into account when doing the rankings. Otherwise we would penalize people for playing Metaknight and reward them for playing Ganondorf.
 

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i can tell you with all honesty that I don't play my hardest in friendlies

also, snake sucks.

also, i think we all think we're better than our rankings, but we have to back it up.

you can't get on a list based on your feeling of your own skill if you never prove it.

for example, everyone knows cheap is good. whenever any of us, even top players have to face him, we always are a little nervous.

but lately, cheap has been doing not so good in tournaments, so he deserves a low ranking, if any.

its the same for you guys, and for anyone really.
 

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Aloha, being better skill-wise isn't good enough. Let's pretend you knew every AT in the game and we're the only one who could perform them. Then let's say you played another person who was really good at Brawl but didn't know the ATs, but they where smart enough to see what you did the first game and find a way to beat you the next 2 games and knock you out of the tournament. He is the better player because he adapted to the situation.
 

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ima say this i use ics and olimar two chracters thAT TAKES ALOT OF SKILL TO PLAY! i mean the time it takes to learn them is far more superior than any other chracters in brawl! so with that being said kevin , magh will cam yall are good but nobody in this list is better than me skill wise ! im just saying snake is overpowering ftilts and utilts !diddy kong? potassium all day! pikachu? has way more options that most!
metaknight? enough said the reason why so many people lose to the ics is b/c nobody takes the time to learn technical things anymore! falcos, snakes, metaknights, lucarios, pikachus, u see them all the time!

Ask ralph how long it took to learn how ics work? hell ive been using them 7 months now and still learning how they work ics are fun and unique the fact that you can use two people is insane! in closing i feel like i have earned a spot on the pr because ive proven myself not just in this state but also in the southeast!
Aloha just beat someone ranked. I had to beat shaslam at Ausom 2, just to be a thought. Then I beat a LA PR ranked guy(joivanni07) to even be considered at Resist 1. By then I was an urban legend to kola only because ppl was bothering him about me. Then at Resist 2 I beat kola how was 2 spots over me and had a close match against george. But I still felt like I had more to prove, I played janitor there, but in friendlies even though I won more matches and didn't play MK, so its was still questions I think. I felt like only Cam knew I had the skills. Cause he seen my improvement. I think at Gamebox I finally proved myself, but Im far from done. I want that number 1 spot, then I wanta be the best MK in the south then the US. You have something to prove, the difference is I never even posted(even though that don't matter) saying what skill I thought I had or said who felt like I could beat.Talking don't mean anything, its about action. Action is the only thing they care about. I know what you can do, I played you at your house. You need to show them what I seen. I had to do alot to get on the PR. And I want you on there, if you want to train with me, I'll come up every couple of weeks. But you have to place aloha and well. I have nobody, but Ryker who I rarley play and a lvl 3 cpu. So its difficult with no one really to play and who's not on your lvl, but not impossible. Don't tell them what you can do and where you fell you should be. DO IT MY BROTHA!!
 

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cam did you check my waba placement? 9th place yea i will admit that i havent done well lately it is b/c i had been playing call of duty BO! so when i9 had competed in the past two tournies i was rusty!
 

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To be honest, my older brother describes Ice Climbers as "this character is easy as balls to play, 'cause you don't really have much outside of muscle memory to learn."
 

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cam did you check my waba placement? 9th place yea i will admit that i havent done well lately it is b/c i had been playing call of duty BO! so when i9 had competed in the past two tournies i was rusty!
9th place doesn't tell me much. Waba is notorious for being a small tournament. For all I know, that's 9/9. Who did you beat and who did you lose to?
 

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i dont try my hardest in friendlies because i am still learning how to play metaknight. so in friendlies i am mostly experimenting and trying new stuff. in tournament i go back to what i actually know and try not to take risks.
in friendlies im gonna play super aggresive though because i just wanna try new stuff. i dont know meta knight well enough to have everything figured out and go my absolute hardest in friendlies.

ic's is easy as balls to use. saint ran back and forth and then grabbed me and won. you dont HAVE to do other attacks unless you are playing against someone really good.
 

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but lately, cheap has been doing not so good in tournaments, so he deserves a low ranking, if any.
yeahhh, I honestly wasn't expecting to get anything. My tournament performance hasnt been all that great. I was completely surprised that the final list gives me 8th.

I was expecting for bottom 5:

Kola
t1j
Shaslam
Cam
Me or Aloha
 

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To be honest, my older brother describes Ice Climbers as "this character is easy as balls to play, 'cause you don't really have much outside of muscle memory to learn."
I thought in Brawl they have the hardest learning curve, I dont see anybody else being harder to learn
yeahhh, I honestly wasn't expecting to get anything. My tournament performance hasnt been all that great. I was completely surprised that the final list gives me 8th.

I was expecting for bottom 5:

Kola
t1j
Shaslam
Cam
Me or Aloha
Your pretty good cheap, you gave me your business card at gamebox.


@Cam: I put aloha in losers at Resist 2, but I don't know who put him out.
 

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mastering ice climbers, all there grabs not just the down throw back throw one... mastering all there desyncs and playing with them exteremly smart and effectively... not just fishing for grabs... then its the hardest character to play...

If you play dumb people who just get grabbed doing the down throw back throw is easy muscle memory after awhile.

Although winning and ****** with PT is probably the hardest thing to do in the game... considering that they are a bad character with alot of technical ****...
 

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Thing is, baiting is something that a player has to learn with every character. Ice Climbers have really good poking tools, given that they have two characters with nothing but disjointed moves, that broken Squall Hammer, and a great pivot grab. Even outside of the chaingrab, they make one pretty solid character if you know what you're doing.

They're all about poking when they're not getting a grab. Getting the grab is fairly complicated, but I wouldn't call the character particularly difficult overall just because of that. They have plenty of easy tools to work with.
 

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mastering ice climbers, all there grabs not just the down throw back throw one... mastering all there desyncs and playing with them exteremly smart and effectively... not just fishing for grabs... then its the hardest character to play...

If you play dumb people who just get grabbed doing the down throw back throw is easy muscle memory after awhile.
Why do you need to learn other CGs when the Dthrow > Dthrow and Dthrow > Bthrow work just fine?

Hobbling is not very hard.
 

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there was a time where I felt the same as aloha, where i felt i was like "better" skill wise, even though I didn't place as well. and i've realized that
1. it doesn't matter, you gotta prove it. this is why the tier list relies so heavily on tournament placings. the illest theorycrafter of all time might think Yoshi is A tier, but until someone shows this it will never never be put on paper.

and

2. I had to be honest with myself in that, if I'm not beating anyone, how am I better than them lol? If you only beat unnamed players, that's one thing. that shows you're somewhat above average. but if you lose to all PR hopefuls in tournaments, you're probably not better than them lol
 

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I thought in Brawl they have the hardest learning curve, I dont see anybody else being harder to learn

Your pretty good cheap, you gave me your business card at gamebox.


@Cam: I put aloha in losers at Resist 2, but I don't know who put him out.
T1J put him out.
 
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