Eggm
Smash Hero
At least most of us agree on top the top 4 being marth fox shiek falco cept aeiser who goes marth sheik fox falco (which i agree with but can deal with the other top 4)
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The 2006-2008 Tier list
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mood4food77
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tier list is based on tournametn placement and how easily a character can make it through alone
fox
marth
sheik
basic top tier, all 3 can make it through a tournament no problem, all only have to worry about 1 character
falco
peach
ICs
falcon
the next 4, always seem to place high but almost never go solo, need some sort of back-up to counterpick their worst match-ups
samus
ganon
doc
mario
jiggs
never go solo, but can place pretty high, they have difficulty from more than one character, these characters serve their purpose mainly as counterpick characters
DK
luigi
link
too good for low tier, not good enough for tournament tiers, they sort of end up in the middle, just as many good fights as bad fights, can be used as counterpicks but not preferred because of them being at most even match-ups with tournament tiered characters
y. link
roy
pika
low tier characters, but the best of the low tier, almost never see tournament characters in a fight but can withstand their ground for a good amount against them, it is not wise to choose them as counterpicks
g&w
yoshi
ness
zelda
characters that are the middle of low tier characters, should not be used against tournament tiers, most have a lot of trouble holding ground against tournament tiers, should not be used as counterpicks for any reason unless it's a must
bowser
mewtwo
pichu
kirby
the bottom of the bottom, the worst characters in teh game, barely have any match-ups in their favor, pretty much ***** by tournament tiered characters, it is wise as not to use them unless exceptional skill is shown, do not use as counterpick whatsoever
fox
marth
sheik
basic top tier, all 3 can make it through a tournament no problem, all only have to worry about 1 character
falco
peach
ICs
falcon
the next 4, always seem to place high but almost never go solo, need some sort of back-up to counterpick their worst match-ups
samus
ganon
doc
mario
jiggs
never go solo, but can place pretty high, they have difficulty from more than one character, these characters serve their purpose mainly as counterpick characters
DK
luigi
link
too good for low tier, not good enough for tournament tiers, they sort of end up in the middle, just as many good fights as bad fights, can be used as counterpicks but not preferred because of them being at most even match-ups with tournament tiered characters
y. link
roy
pika
low tier characters, but the best of the low tier, almost never see tournament characters in a fight but can withstand their ground for a good amount against them, it is not wise to choose them as counterpicks
g&w
yoshi
ness
zelda
characters that are the middle of low tier characters, should not be used against tournament tiers, most have a lot of trouble holding ground against tournament tiers, should not be used as counterpicks for any reason unless it's a must
bowser
mewtwo
pichu
kirby
the bottom of the bottom, the worst characters in teh game, barely have any match-ups in their favor, pretty much ***** by tournament tiered characters, it is wise as not to use them unless exceptional skill is shown, do not use as counterpick whatsoever
Yeah, that's why Marth is my fav/best character. I wonder if someone could program a character to act perfectly (dodge every move, e.t.c.). The only thing is there are two things that mean HAL will never do this: 1) They're too busy right now with Brawl to do anything like this. 2) HAL would almost certainly program the characters not taking ni part glitches. So, if someone were good enough, they could pull off Samus' extended grab or something like that, and the program would think it is far enough out of the way when really it's not.
mood4food77
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if every character used to top potential, fox would be unstoppable, ICs would probably be too
they'd be number 1 and 2 since no one is able to fully utilize them to the max
fox is way too fast for us, ICs are too complicated
they'd be number 1 and 2 since no one is able to fully utilize them to the max
fox is way too fast for us, ICs are too complicated
mood4food77
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marth wouldn't be able to compete with fox or ICs at full potential
fox would run circles around everyone, ICs would be doing the craziest **** ever, i can't explain it
other than that, DK is the only other character with a lot still to be discovered (he's the only low tier character that i could see coming out of low tier possibly, unless they use my tier list)
fox would run circles around everyone, ICs would be doing the craziest **** ever, i can't explain it
other than that, DK is the only other character with a lot still to be discovered (he's the only low tier character that i could see coming out of low tier possibly, unless they use my tier list)
definitely on the ground he'd get owned. in the air and with enough spacing, i tihnk he's give fox hell. ICs at full potential would probably **** marth anywhere any time. and fox and full potential would probably **** ICs
yes thats what im working on. is only falco's im having trouble with
mood4food77
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bum's showing crazy stuff, i've always wanted to use DK, i can do his combo's and stuff, but no mindgames
for falco, jump up and charge his b whenever possible, do your best to get around the lasers, and whenver possible grab, remember one grab equals death to falco, fox, sheik, and falcon, possibly even roy
anyways, fox ****** ICs, depends on if the ICs were lucky enough to grab him, but most likely fox would **** them
for falco, jump up and charge his b whenever possible, do your best to get around the lasers, and whenver possible grab, remember one grab equals death to falco, fox, sheik, and falcon, possibly even roy
anyways, fox ****** ICs, depends on if the ICs were lucky enough to grab him, but most likely fox would **** them
Winston
Smash Master
Dude, none of you really know what would happen at "full potential". So its pointless to talk about it. Just because fox can be insanely fast and flashy doesn't mean he's godly at full potential, because a marth would have perfect spacing/shielding/dodging etc.
BigRick
Smash Master
^^lol Fox would also have perfect spacing/shielding/dodging etc.
gg
gg
mood4food77
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fox would be able to give chuck norris a run for his money
that's how insanely good fox would be
that's how insanely good fox would be
BigRick
Smash Master
hmm... Yoshi and G&W aren't high, they're listed as 4-8th worst
DireVulcan ***** NY with G&W... Mr Stick gives those fastfallers a run for their money.
And G&W doesn't have a really bad defense... what he has is a bad shield.
Offense is more important than defense...
on mood4foods list they are put as 7th and 8th from the bottom....
way to high imo
He has a bad defense cause he has a horrid shield, bad roll and dodge.
Dont forget he is VERY light, so so recovery, 3 of his aerials cannot be l-canceled, and i think he gets combed pretty easy...
Yoshi imo is NOT in the bottom 5, and might be where mood4food put him...
darE::to::Dream
Smash Journeyman
Because Samus has an amazing roll...
G&W's game is built to destroy fast-fallers, but he does have trouble otherwise.
G&W's game is built to destroy fast-fallers, but he does have trouble otherwise.
BigRick
Smash Master
Man, you put way too much emphasis on rankings inside tiers...
There is a reason why we use tiers instead of simple rankings, because characters inside the same tier are roughly equal.
The reason why Mood's list is the best I've seen so far is that it focuses itself more on tier based separation. This leaves less room for error...
In G&W's case, you say that he should be 5th worst, while Mood has him in the 5-8th worst tier. If G&W is equal to Zelda, does it really matter if he's 5th worst or 8th worst???
The main thing that should be debated on this list IMO is Falco's placement (top or high tier?)
There is a reason why we use tiers instead of simple rankings, because characters inside the same tier are roughly equal.
The reason why Mood's list is the best I've seen so far is that it focuses itself more on tier based separation. This leaves less room for error...
In G&W's case, you say that he should be 5th worst, while Mood has him in the 5-8th worst tier. If G&W is equal to Zelda, does it really matter if he's 5th worst or 8th worst???
The main thing that should be debated on this list IMO is Falco's placement (top or high tier?)
falco = top
Mike B.
Smash Apprentice
Ganondof should NOT be in the middle tier. He's one of the high tiers.
um if the dorf is not better than marth, fox, sheik, falco, peach, falcon, ICs, or samus, then hes not in any of the 2 highest tiers
BigRick
Smash Master
Falco should remain on tier 2, cause he just can't solo a tourney anymore just like mood said. Only guy that does that now with success is ShizWiz??? (does he use a Fox backup?)
Ganon is made for tier 3, like Samus he's a good char that has a lot of things going on for him but has to work harder against top/hier tiers. Guys like Hugs/Tipman are just mutants, plain and simple...
I've changed my opinion, Game & Watch should be moved up one tier cause he's simply better than Yoshi/Ness/Zelda.
The meta drives this list: G&W does okay against fastfallers and DireVulcan places high with him. We don't see any1 placing high with Yoshi/Ness/Zelda.
Ganon is made for tier 3, like Samus he's a good char that has a lot of things going on for him but has to work harder against top/hier tiers. Guys like Hugs/Tipman are just mutants, plain and simple...
I've changed my opinion, Game & Watch should be moved up one tier cause he's simply better than Yoshi/Ness/Zelda.
The meta drives this list: G&W does okay against fastfallers and DireVulcan places high with him. We don't see any1 placing high with Yoshi/Ness/Zelda.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
G&W ***** fastfallers and does well against normal-gravity characters like Mario and Young Link. Floaties aren't hard but none of G&W's cool stuff really works against them so it's a hit and run battle.
Binx
Smash Master
This thread always has something to entertain me haha. Rick has a good point on rankings inside tiers though, I guess you could do it.
Top
Fox, Marth, Shiek, Falco (in no particular order)
High
Falcon, ICs, peach, samus (in no particular order)
Mid
Mario, doc, luigi, puff, ganon, ect
Low
the rest of the non mid tier.
Top
Fox, Marth, Shiek, Falco (in no particular order)
High
Falcon, ICs, peach, samus (in no particular order)
Mid
Mario, doc, luigi, puff, ganon, ect
Low
the rest of the non mid tier.
so long as "the rest of the non mid tier" doesnt include DK, im fine with that
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
If you suck at G&W, sure...I don't know what three moves you're talking about and G&W can survive past 100% if you know how to DI at all
I should've have said **** I meant "does well".
I should've have said **** I meant "does well".
BigRick
Smash Master
If you are a low tier and you go 6-4 against Fox/falco then you're doing well.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
If you are a bottom tier and you go 6-4 against Fox/falco then you're doing great.
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this topic shoudl be closed.
BigRick
Smash Master
The Bowser in your sig is not cute.
He goes into middle tier, at least.
He goes into middle tier, at least.
Hardcore_Sniper
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samus really should be on the high tier...
mood4food77
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g&w does a lot better than the rest of low tier against fox and falco, much much much better
BigRick
Smash Master
that's why you should have him with y.link roy pika
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
He does better than y.link/roy/pika against Fox and Falco
BigRick
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stripesorbars2
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Actually Roy goes almost even with Fox.
Fox is Roy's single good matchup.
Roy needs to be with Koopa, Mew2, Pichu, and Kirby at the bottom.
Fox is Roy's single good matchup.
Roy needs to be with Koopa, Mew2, Pichu, and Kirby at the bottom.
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