Texas is tired of small tournaments >.>

[Kyle Broflovski]

Whatever happened to all that Moast circuit stuff? I actually thought it was going to build up to a new MOAST tournament.

It seems like most smashers are losing interest in the game, especially the better players. It saddens because it makes me trying to get better feel kinda of pointless, if the best of the best don't feel like going to any small tournaments "because it isn't worth their time."

Texas needs some bigger tournaments. They're still holding big tourneys in New York, Cali and Arizona even after OC3. It would be great if one of the top states for fighting games can have a good gathering for smash before Brawl.

Besides, it would settle those silly power rankings once and for all (3 tourneys beating 3 top players and SOS still didn't get on it? wtf, wtf indeed.)

But it needs a group to plan everything. Is there anyone out serious enough to want to make it happen? Besides, thanks to Smiles having gone OOS, there is a lot of good players he could convince with his charisma to come down. After all, he was a driving force in making the best turnout Gamelot ever had. Gamelot is a good place, but can it really support a OOS event? maybe, maybe not, but either way it would be great. It may not need OOS but still, it would be nice to settle best in Texas once and for all.

This may or may not get closed, but I hope people read it anyways. Then maybe someone will decide to have WTYM 3 or MOAST 4 or perhaps even S. Ex 3.... wait scratch that last one, no one trusts Fluffy anymore nor would she do it.

But yeah, who else feels the way I do?

 

[Omega_Star]

Texas should come to OHSNAP3. Our venue supposedly has room for over 100 people.

 

[Gobz]

The question is, who decides on what constitutes a big state wide tournament? Valley advertised for a month and half to invite other regions to experience our tournaments, and so far only Rob$, Caveman, Smiles, forkgirl, and bear have heeded the call. Most of these have came multiple times, Rob and Lep almost made it down this past weekend. Smiles picked up some good money this weekend, so valley tournies are no joke. Does it come to a matter of traveling? We're one of the poorest regions in Texas, but manage to have representatives at most Texas tournaments. It all really comes down to a matter of really wanting to be somewhere. Interesting topic though, glad it was brought up.

 

[thereaperX]

Besides, it would settle those silly power rankings once and for all (3 tourneys beating 3 top players and SOS still didn't get on it? wtf, wtf indeed.)

I like how you're acting as though the panel deliberately left SOS off despite his wins.

Um...try more like a new list wasn't even decided upon after he got those wins. If a new list was decided upon, SOS easily would've made it on. i may not be on the panel or antyhing but i think that's pretty obvious.

just saying, you made it sound as though the panel just left him off on purpose and this was 100% wrong because they didn't ignore his wins. his wins just never got factored in because a new list was never made.

why was a new list never made? the list was destroyed in light of all the *****ing from people in texas in general who claim that the texas rankings are worthless (jf, tsetse, some houston players) the panel just quit making them.


Gobz - I agree that the valley is trying really hard to hold some big tournaments. but the only problem is south texas is a bit too far for many of the major smash areas like dallas, houston, austin.

san antonio seems to be the most central place to hold a smash tournament. they are the major center closest to you guys, and they are much closer to the other smash cities than you guys are to everyone else.

 

[Dr Drew the Dragon]

What this reaper guy said is correct, the power rankings list was killed by me (with a majority vote from the panel) a week or two ago. Mostly because of the lack of these large tournaments you speak of, coupled with the oncoming release of Brawl. No list was made after SOS had returned to Texas so obviously he wouldn't be on it.

As for the more pressing matter at hand, if you want a big tournament why don't you make one yourself? While we're at it what do we define as big nowadays? If you want to get all of Texas to a tournament then there might be hope. If you want all the big EC and WC names showing up then... yeah I just don't see that happening.

I mean what's the point of going to tournaments for big OOS players? There's money and there's the opportunity to play good people.

Well for the first point, Texas is hopeless. The largest tournament Texas ever had, outside of MLG, was 128 people. Right now EC and WC tournaments can hit the 100-entrant mark in bi-weeklies. As in every other week, 100 people. That's more (a lot more in fact) than Texas has had in any single tournament since that previously mentioned 128 player tournament. And that happens like clockwork on the coasts.

So now the second point, player talent. Without a doubt there is no one in Texas that could realistically claim to be top 10 in the nation, probably not even top 20. Kinda sad to think about but all too true. I mean #2 and #4 on the final power rankings didn't even make it out of pools at FCD, something that each of them did the year prior.

So put yourself into the mind of a top player. Why come to Texas when there's more and better players (that are getting better faster) closer to you? There really isn't any reason.

Let's face it, the Texas smash scene is pretty bad. Despite having what seems like a lot of people we remain woefully unorganized, and pretty bad at the game. Rather than trying to fix any of this most people are happy enough to just whine about it to each other on forums (this forum to be a little more exact).

Then there's people like me, who frankly gave up trying a while ago. I'm just hoping that when Brawl comes out we can start fresh and maybe do it right this time, or at least play the good people online... I'm probably even going to retire from competitive Melee until Brawl comes out in December after the tournament in Oklahoma this weekend.

Also while I'm here I can guarantee that MOAST 4, if it happens, won't be any time soon and will in fact feature Brawl, so don't expect that to happen in the next few months.

So if despite all this you wish to try and hold one last blast for Melee in Texas I wish you luck, you're definitely gonna need it.

I think I'll leave this open for a little bit to see if any of what I just said sinks in or if anyone has any real solutions to the problems I came up with.

 

[uglywombat2004]

It's true they have 100 entrants at their biweeklies, and to add to that, we don't even have biweeklies.

So...that could be a start.

Also as much as I love Gamelot we need to stop giving handouts. Make it so that only top 3 get prizes.

 

[Jake13]

Texas = Big, spreadout.
NY = Small, condensed.
Cali= Long, condensed.

On a side note. Cave was top in his third pool, his plane was leaving, he had to give up.

 

[Galt]

I don't think we really even need the guys from the coasts to make the tournament worthwhile. Get some of the dudes from AZ and Florida to come out and play, and you've got a giant tournament which would showcase the South's talent like no other. Get those states together, and you could convince some others to travel, I believe.

But that would require an agreement with those states, and we'd have to find a suitable venue in Texas, which I don't think includes Gamelot, as much as I like the place for smaller tournaments. It might possibly work, and work venues have certainly been used in the past, but I'd like to see something better. Of course, all those OoSers would need housing, which would become a problem in TX, where we are rather diffuse. There might be enough players in SA or Houston for that, though; I'm not sure.

I think the idea is feasible, I suppose, but how does one magically transform his tournament into a big tournament? All I know is that, if you can get Arizona and Florida, I'll throw myself in for free. It's like 3 for the price of 2, which, as any Economics major can tell you, is an excellent deal (assuming the prices weren't just marked up to allow them to cut them without actually taking a loss of any kind).

 

[DoH]

lolz jake wins. texas is too big.

 

[Espy Rose]

lolz jake wins. texas is too big.

QFT.

The very thing I'm proud of about the state is also the achilles heel of why I'll never improve in Smash.

sad.

 

[TGM]

if a venue is found i can do a massive tournament. i have hugs and florida on hold for a tourney. so help me find a venue and ill get u 128 people.

 

[Kyle Broflovski]

if a venue is found i can do a massive tournament. i have hugs and florida on hold for a tourney. so help me find a venue and ill get u 128 people.

Well, if anyone remembers Tripoint, aka that old Albertsons on 281 and St Mary's that was bought by Trinity Baptist Church, that's where the final Bluefork took place. However, I do remember time constraints, and Taylor mentioning that the place now costs money to rent. Of course, with a big enough entry fee/entrants, the cost of rental can be covered for.

But it does have more than enough room, projectors, tables, chairs, power outlets, a central location (dead center of town) and if it is possible, enough room to house anyone that came (they would have to bring cots or air mattresses or something, but it could be done.

But it would have to be done through forkgirl or possibly bluezaft (I don't know if he has anymore affiliation with Trinity Baptist).

But I'm just throwing this out here. Can anyone else think of a place?

 

[TGM]

cities. does it matter the city?

 

[Velox]

Amen.


I tried guys, what can you do.

 

[Xelic]

I would love to have another one in Austin, or a big one in San Antonio. The problem with Austin is the lack of a venue. Cyberjocks closed down, so there hasn't been another tourney since WtYM2. It seems that the few of us who are interested in holding a big tourney in Austin don't know anything about the city or possible venues. =(

As for SA, we have Gamelot available, but the last time we had a big tourney there, it was like 44 people and for some reason, we had like 5 TVs to run the whole thing. =( It just seemed too crowded, and I don't think it works out for really large tournaments. Also, the money distribution is pretty lame. Super Sophia was amazing though, and I'd like to somehow have another large tourney in that venue if it's possible, though we would have to start earlier due to time constraints.

 

[Gravity]

well, if texas can get something together, you can pretty much guarantee representation from oklahoma, as long as its in dallas. SA is probably too far for most of us...

anyway, i fully support this idea, however, southwest seems to lag behind the EC and WC...maybe we should just aim for a southwest wide tourny? if we can get a significant percentage of SW people to just come, raise the entry fee to atleast $15, youve got a large enough pot to attract the coasts. probably.

thats just my 2 cents. even if this thread was meant for texas, i feel SW should stick together in this dire time. however, i wouldnt raise my hopes too much, melee is dying.

 

[tsetse]

Well the valley holds tourneys and with only valley smashers we have over 50 people. Not imagine if only 4 from each city that is devoted came down we would have, sa, austin, houston, dallas, el paso we would hit 70 people but everyone always johns about the distance.

 

[Velox]

Why was there no interest in the Magnolia tournament?

I could have really pushed and probably gotten that venue or restlessly searched until I found one, but nobody even seemed to care anyways.

Whatever, I don't care how anyone refutes this post, lots of this has been brought on by the Texas community themselves.

You guys could have at least posted that you were interested in the tourney even though you weren't sure you could make it (because after all, the date was never decided).

I know I wasn't an established tournament host, but come one, Bear, Sethlon, G@BE, TGM, Ronnie, etc. were gunna help us out, and I'm sure nobody had any problems with any of the rules.

OMG.


Valley people: No offense, but it would be in the best interest for everyone for a central location, that includes SA, Austin, or Mag. That's the simple fact. It is unfortunate that you guys live so far away from the Texas community, but the idea is ridiculous for all of Texas to come down there, even if you guys do have like 100 players down there. However, if you guys got lots of the Mexico people to attend your tourney, people might change their opinions on coming down there? It's def. a possibility. I for one would find it enough cause to attend a tourney down there if that was the case.


Also, if people from Flordia/OK/AZ/Tennesseeseseeee/Louisiana show up the most central location would be Dallas. If that were the case, nobody would john about the location. We should have something in Dallas.

Actually everyone should quit johning, Austin would be most central no matter what. Someone find a venue in Austin now.

 

[tsetse]

Valley people: No offense, but it would be in the best interest for everyone for a central location, that includes SA, Austin, or Mag. That's the simple fact.

no what is unfortunate is that no one on these boards seems to have a car or a job to travel to tournies. Brownsville crew and the valley crew have taken 10 peeps up to out of valley tournies in sa or austin or houston. So no johns to everyone. Ohh and here is one more. We always offer housing to everyone and heck i even offer meals so no johns. For those that have come to valley tournies it has never been a question of where they will stay, they are always taken care of.


Plus dallas is farther from SA than the valley is from sa, and DDD still travels from dallas to SA so Nojohns.

 

[Nike.]

call up pc chris

that,sir,is the answer to all your problems.

 

[bluezaft]

Plus dallas is farther from SA than the valley is from sa, and DDD still travels from dallas to SA so Nojohns.

Dallas travels and SA doesn't. Just because Dallas travels doesn't mean SA will--a couple people actually have cars in Dallas, unlike SA. And what is DDD?

 

[Gobz]

So the topic should read.. "Texas is tired of small tournaments..outside SA, Austin, Houston." From this point, it's probably in valley's best interest to recruit straight from Mexico, despite their crappy economy. Maybe next year, given enough time, we'll get the twins to pay a visit. Then we'll see what's up. Any how, CC, forkgirl, and bear will always have a place here in the valley as they seem to really enjoy our tournaments.

 

[Problem2]

central texas needs more tourney than anywhere else. The number of tourneys I've found here is a big fat *ZERO*.

The closest place I can go is Dallas, but I don't want to travel that far to go play at McDonalds. <_<

If *anybody* lives in central TX, please feel free to spam my PM box till I read it. I'm dieing for some competition in this great Smash Bros wasteland.

 

[Ophelius]

... The what could have been Team Santa Fe died before it could even start. What would have been eight or nine now is four. Now all I have is Jimbo and Tyle...

 

[uglywombat2004]

I have actually wanted to goto the valley tournies before.

Sadly no one will drive me.

 

[Espy Rose]

Dallas travels and SA doesn't. Just because Dallas travels doesn't mean SA will--a couple people actually have cars in Dallas, unlike SA. And what is DDD?

Exactly. I don't think anyone in SA travels at all.

Infact, the farthest I've ever gone for a tournament is Schertz.

If I had a car, maybe I'd go.

But I dont.

 

[tsetse]

DDD=DrDrewtheDragon

 

[xeonoex]

The Valley might not be in central Texas, but its the easiest for Mexican smashers to come, so we get 2 countries, while the drive for most other averages about 6 hours. If people commit we should be able to get quite a few people. The valley alone has a bunch.

Plus, less drive for me.

 

[Dr Drew the Dragon]

I haven't been to SA since like... last July 2006 I think >_>

If you want a good example of Dallas traveling look at DoH.

 

[tsetse]

Yeah ........................................ i meant DOH..................................... not DDD.

Well whatever.......... point is people that dont travel out of their own cities to tournies should not complain. I mean going to 1 or 2 out of town tournies dont really count. And by out of town i mean traveling more than 2 hours by plane or at least 4 hours by car.

 

[Xelic]

Uhm, I've travelled out of town for many tournaments, and out of state for 3. It's not always east to find people to go with, though. I've skipped many tournaments just because I couldn't get anyone to drive there with me. Oh, and way to pretty much tell people that they are worthless if they don't have a car or job Tsetse. I have both, and would rather keep my job and work and make guarunteed money rather than drive hours and hours to the valley where I may not make as much money, especially because of gas prices. Also, people can't always take off work, and you know that. OR people have school and **** to do, and can't make it out due to time constraints. ****, Cave had to leave FCD early due to his job.

It's great that the valley can make it out to tournaments in other regions of Texas, but don't act like everyone else has to do it just because you do. Not all of the valley goes to all the other tournaments in Texas, so don't expect everyone to go to all of yours. People who can make it to your tournaments have gone, and they will continue to do so. It's not your fault you're isolated from the majority of Texas, but it isn't anyone else's either. People will do what is easiest for them.

Also, I'm not even re-reading anything I just typed, so there are probably errors galore. I don't care, though, because it's 3 AM and I have work today. Gooooooodnight.

 

[po pimpus]

I realize that this is a Texas-centric thread, and by no means do I call myself an authority on anything, but as Gravity has already stated, Oklahoma would be glad to make a trip down to Texas for a tourney.

Before I settled into my current job(and long before OK had anything even resembling a thriving Smash scene) my friend Marc and I would go down to Texas every other month it seemed. We've hit tourneys in Dallas(2 or 3, I think), Austin(2), and Houston(1). Never been to the valley, and I don't think time and travel expenses would allow me to, but if Texas wants to do anything tournament wise, you can be sure that your neighbors north of the Red River are definitely willing to show. It's been far too long since I've visited my Texas peeps...last time I was down there was WtyM2, which was quite sometime ago...

To think that its been that long since I've been in Texas is weird. I would love to come back anytime you guys would have me, and I can guarantee that I wouldn't be coming alone...

 

[tsetse]

I am not saying everyone neeeds to travels i am just saying don't whine about no tournies if you are not willing to travel yourself. And actually we paid out about 800$ at the last tournie we hosted. Of course in order to have taken that home smiles and fork would have to have placed 1st and 2nd in singles and 1st and 2nd in teams which was not possible since there was only 3 of them.

 

[forkgirl]

I would be up for throwing a large Texas tournament, but i don't even know if it's worth trying anymore...
in SA alone, there is a tournament about every other week and they are all small...a few people will travel from different cities to different ones, and as a result, everyone is spread out...i think too many small touranments kills big tourneys. I don't even think people would go to a big SA tournament anymore...it'd just turn into one of the many small ones...ALL those small ones try to be big. so i have no idea...just kind of rambling.

also, the valley DOES throw awesome tournaments....they always get tons of people to go and the whole valley crew is super nice. One thing i like about the valley tournaments is that i never even have to worry about enough people coming. they'll say 40+ people are coming, and they get 40+ people to come. Other tournaments will say a lot is coming, and then there will be like 11 people. I know the valley is pretty far from some of you guys, but if you're really looking for a BIG tournament, look into the valley tournaments. Also, they get the best people from Mexico to come!!

 

[Galt]

Get some other parties interested, schedule the tournament at a time when it doesn't conflict with any other, and make sure people know that it's going to be a big one, and I'm pretty sure you could get nearly all of Texas motivated to travel. In Austin, I know, we tend to be slightly reluctant to travel because we already have so many good players there to fight every week for free. But I think even the Austin types (okay, mostly just Wes) would be fully willing if there were a larger prize and better competition.

So get something big going, and Jordan and I will pester everyone into going (unless Rayz moves to New Jersey, which he might, that effluent villain). As the topic of the title states, many of us are tired of small tournaments with no people (I remember one Gamelot tournament in particular where no one showed but Austin + CC), but a bigger affair would work, I think.

I don't know if I actually said anything worthwhile up there. It's 10:30 am and I can't even keep my eyes open until 10:07 am. If you ever want to see something funny, watch me try to click on icons while I can only manage to open one eye. I accidentally opened AdAware instead of AIM this morning. THE POINT IS TAYLOR THAT I WANT TO GO TO A BIG TOURNAMENT AND IT'S COMPLETELY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. That is all.

 

[Gobz]

San Antonio seems to be the only logical place that can host that large texas size tournament people been craving, but seems to have trouble cause of competing factions. I mean a few weeks ago, there was two going on at the same time both competing for the same players. Something needs to be worked out between these two parties so that it doesn't happen again because the only one's that lose are the players themselves.

Something similar happened here in the valley as there were two groups responsible for throwing tournaments, ourselves and a crew in brownsville. Since then, we have a working relationship with that crew, and the ball is now in their court to throw the first brawl tournament in the valley, as SMBU seems to be a summer event now.

 

[uglywombat2004]

SMBU? eh nvm I don't care about that.

We need to just get our small tournaments more interesting.

Or if we had a teleporter thing like on The Fly, but it like didn't turn you into a science fiction freak of nature, then all we would have to do is put one machine in each major area of Texas. Then traveling wouldn't be an issue at all. Plus I would be rich to come up with that so I could probably pay for the venue. Now I know it's just rambling but it's an idea.

lmao

 

[defsithe]

yeah!@ forkgirl showing the valley some love.

 

[Problem2]

Maybe I'll host a tournament in Stephenville if anyone is willing to come.

 

[forkgirl]

I'm looking into throwing a big tourney right before brawl comes out.

happy galt?