Technique with Falco's Cancel'd Dair; Can we use do something similar?

[RPK]

So this video was recently posted that shows Falco canceling his Dair into other attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHWz-9F7cQ

Can something like this be applied to any of Fox's stuff? Or does it even work?

 

[Zelfox]

Imo the tech doesn't really have much use for fox since most of his aerials have very little end lag. I tried it with up air, but I can't verify if it works (fox lands differently with up air) . I think a shortened up air could lead to some good combos tho.

 

[jr22]

I thought the exact same thing when I recently found out about falco's cencel'd dair. idk for if fox can do the same thing and would love to find out for myself but I don't the game yet.

 

[EndlessRain]

Fox's fair and whiffed dair are the only aerials with any kind of landing lag. Since dair has less lag if it hits anyway, it doesn't matter if you can frame cancel it. I haven't tried with fair, but I don't really see the point tbh. This is a tech which mostly benefits characters with hugely laggy aerials, like Falco and Ganondorf. It doesn't really apply to Fox, and it wouldn't make much of a difference if it did.

 

[RPK]

Nair 11, Fair 27, Bair 15, Uair 22, Dair 25

 

[EndlessRain]

Bair autocancels, dair has much less if it hits. Fair won't combo into anything anyway (it sends them too far/lets them tech if you spike them with it). Nair true combos into running usmash, not in much danger of increasing it's combo potential. I guess uair might be worth looking into, though it won't make it much better, as its hitstun lasts long enough for you to follow it up at lower percents anyway.

 

[M@v]

Nair 11, Fair 27, Bair 15, Uair 22, Dair 25

This is why fox should Nair. A lot.

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

This is why fox should Nair. A lot.

I second this. I started to nair more now.

 

[EndlessRain]

I prefer bair spam because it autocancels. But yeah nair is just fantastic.

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

I use bair a lot more too. I used to dair a lot in Brawl, but now, I just use it sparingly. I will have to perfect my turning skill to reverse bair.

 

[luke_atyeo]

Uair autocancels aswell

 

[DEHF]

Uair autocancels aswell

And it combos into itself

 

[Problem2]

I wonder if the very mechanic that was discovered with Falco's d-air is the reason why Fox's d-air has less landing lag when it connects. Something to do with hitting your opponent just as you touch the ground, which is easy to do with a multihit move.

 

[EndlessRain]

Nope, because you can go through them and land while not in contact with them, and still go straight into utilt. It's something I use a lot to get the early-game utilt string->double jab cancel grab going.

 

[DEHF]

I wonder if the very mechanic that was discovered with Falco's d-air is the reason why Fox's d-air has less landing lag when it connects. Something to do with hitting your opponent just as you touch the ground, which is easy to do with a multihit move.

I heard every character can do this with their aerials, not sure how true this is though. I tried this out with Falco's fair and like Fox's dair, there was less landing on hit. Similar to Falco's dair cancel, none of these moves have less lag on shield. With such similarities it's hard to see why they wouldn't be the same thing.

 

[Commander Keen]

The only thing i can do after a Dair connects is a Jab and multihit, it's actually a true combo.

 

[Mindles]

The only thing i can do after a Dair connects is a Jab and multihit, it's actually a true combo.

At low percent yeah

 

[EndlessRain]

You can do a lot of stuff out of dair though. Utilt, ftilt, dash attack, fsmash on certain heavies lol. And they are all true combos.
Also, mutihit grab is bad. Double jab cancel grab, then dthrow->fair. Waaaay more damage and it's much safer.