Talking about Brawl+

[xGrenadier]

Before I start, I want to say that I am not trying to troll here, and that I just want to ask a couple of questions.

I am not a tournament-style player. I am very aware of what Brawl+ entails and have no negative sentiments about people wanting to play a slightly different version of a game in order to fit their style of play. More power to you guys, but I'm not going to use it.

However, I've come across topics across several boards that are insinuating that Brawl+ is superior to original Brawl. A few years ago, this idea that the tournament style of play is better turned me off of playing Melee competitively (granted I was younger and less mature).

Hearing that Brawl+ kind of originated here, I decided to come to the source.

So it begs the question(s):

Do you guys really think that Brawl+ is better than the original Brawl, or have I misunderstood?

Really, it just comes down to the word "better". I really didn't have a problem when I was seeing "Brawl+ will be better suited to the tournament playstyle" or even "better by tournament standards". The way I see "better" being used recently, however, seems like people who play regular Brawl will be considered to be playing an inferior game. I haven't read anything like that around here (I'm posting this just after creating my account), but I wanted to query the greatest number of people as possible on this topic, so I picked the largest board.

Thanks for reading.

 

[pockyD]

it's more similar to melee... that's all

after that, beauty is in the eye of the beholder

 

[kupo15]

I believe Brawl+ will be more balanced, better risk vs reward, better punishment, which means a better game.

 

[Cinder]

It's more a matter of opinion...I mean, to a non-professional player, it won't really matter since the content is unaffected...but a competitive player is more likely to think of Brawl+ as being an improvement due to more Melee-esque physics...the only reason it's being called Brawl+ is because it has additional material (or at least SOME people may think of it that way)...

That's my two cents...

 

[MuBa]

We love the characters and stages of Brawl but feel like the physics of the game is below average for competition. We've tried to find a good advanced technique that will help the metagame but there was no luck.

So we've found a very easy, flexible, effective, highly debated, and time consuming way to fix Brawl: by hacking.

 

[AquaTech]

In Brawl, people were looking for Melee gameplay, with some minor tweaks, plus a bunch of new characters.

Although the new characters were enticing, the gameplay has been scaled back so drastically that some people are willing to hack the game to fufill their expectations of what Brawl should be.

 

[notftomearth7]

I honestly think if you're a casual player, you WILL be turned off by Brawl+

 

[kupo15]

I honestly think if you're a casual player, you WILL be turned off by Brawl+

QFT I agree

 

[Jiangjunizzy]

I honestly think if you're a casual player, you WILL be turned off by Brawl+

why? because its more fun? because you can be more aggressive? my friends hate competitive smash brothers but i showed them brawl w/hacks and they love it.

 

[xGrenadier]

Okay, that's all I really wanted to know.

Regarded by tourney players as better for the tourney playstyle. Correct?

 

[Sonic on the Rocks]

I honestly think if you're a casual player, you WILL be turned off by Brawl+

Agreed. They're calling it Brawl+ now?

 

[IWuvGeno]

I honestly think if you're a casual player, you WILL be turned off by Brawl+

All my friends hate Brawl and love Melee. They all play casually. Weird.

 

[xGrenadier]

I honestly think if you're a casual player, you WILL be turned off by Brawl+

Yeah, I might try it one day, seeing as how I'm not entirely a casual player, but generally I think I'll stick to original Brawl.

 

[pockyD]

Okay, that's all I really wanted to know.

Regarded by tourney players as better for the tourney playstyle. Correct?

no, not at all

 

[IWuvGeno]

no, not at all

Don't listen to this guy, Brawl+ isn't even *playable* yet. Only time will tell.

 

[rocker1356]

I think Brawl is way better than any other Smash Bros. game. It has some great characters, better graphics, and wi-fi which lets you play other people.

 

[pockyD]

Don't listen to this guy, Brawl+ isn't even a game yet. Only time will tell.

strange that a single sentence reply could contradict itself

 

[IWuvGeno]

strange that a single sentence reply could contradict itself

I changed the wording to "playable" in the original post in hopes that your great mind can receive my **two** sentences. It is also strange that Brawl+ doesn't exist in a downloadable format. Nor are all the hacks discovered necessary for this project. Nor has anyone in particular even decided to undertake it.

And yet, you have judged it in the future.

 

[pockyD]

what?



he asks: [Hacked brawl is] Regarded by tourney players as better for the tourney playstyle. Correct?

me: no



Now, which of us is trying to make a judgment on something that doesn't exist yet, and which of us is saying that judgment is invalid?

i'll consider it a minor miracle if you're out of elementary school with reading comprehension like that

 

[IWuvGeno]

what?



he asks: [Hacked brawl is] Regarded by tourney players as better for the tourney playstyle. Correct?

me: no



Now, which of us is trying to make a judgment on something that doesn't exist yet, and which of us is saying that judgment is invalid?

i'll consider it a minor miracle if you're out of elementary school with reading comprehension like that

Actually Brawl+ is what he's asking about. Brawl+ is a potential project to balance Brawl in such a way that it conforms to competitive player's original expectations of the game.

As such, it hasn't been made yet. Therefore no comparisons can be made on it as of right now. Only your keen predictions, which you say as if it already exists.

 

[pockyD]

Actually Brawl+ is what he's asking about. Brawl+ is a potential project to balance Brawl in such a way that it conforms to competitive player's original expectations of the game.

As such, it hasn't been made yet. Therefore no factual statements can be made on it as of right now. Only your keen predictions, which you say as if it already exists.

please show me: what was my "prediction"?

let's check my post

it's more similar to melee... that's all

"Brawl+" or whatever stupid name people are calling it is almost explicitly an effort to address brawl's perceived shortcomings by making it more like melee in those areas. are you going to argue against this?

after that, beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Sorry if for some reason this phrase is over your head, but if you think it's any kind of definitive statement, then you should really look up what it means before answering

 

[Denzi]

I think it's a bad idea because it scares away those who never played/had no Melee skill.
It basically limits all possible high level competitors to old Melee players because it adds a depth that is not so easily understood/grasped/mastered by those who haven't experienced it before.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

It's more a matter of opinion...I mean, to a non-professional player, it won't really matter since the content is unaffected...but a competitive player is more likely to think of Brawl+ as being an improvement due to more Melee-esque physics...the only reason it's being called Brawl+ is because it has additional material (or at least SOME people may think of it that way)...

That's my two cents...

Starting to wish you hadn't ruined your Brawl disc? XD

@ Denzi,Brawl + will never replace Brawl. They will co-exist,and that's even if this gets very far off the ground.

 

[Cinder]

Starting to wish you hadn't ruined your Brawl disc? XD

I can just buy Glenn's copy off of 'im...but I will admit, it IS rather inconvenient <__<

@ Denzi,Brawl + will never replace Brawl. They will co-exist,and that's even if this gets very far off the ground.

And it may very well, at least by a portion of optimistic Melee players and Brawlers looking to experiment...but we need a HITSTUN CODE first D: *won't shut up about the hitstun code until they get one*

 

[Destati]

The question is, who claims that "Brawl+" has better mechanics? Is sliding across the floor being invulnerable to damage real? There are people who think Melee 2.0 does not allow better mechanics in Brawl. I'm for either Melee 2.0 or Brawlee, as they both get the same point across. but Brawl is Brawl and Melee is Melee. They are two seperate games and to claim that a Melee attachment to Brawl somehow improves the game seems ridiculous. Its an adjustment, a modification. Not an improvement.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Oh good lord. Talk about this in an existing thread. What don't people get about wanting to keep the GBD from being filled to the brim about the same topics?