TAKE THAT! Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney smashes the prosecution!

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Dec 30, 2019

fogbadge said:
sakurai is a lonely man

Little known fact, but he does have a wife at home, actually. He's just having fun as per usual.

fogbadge · Dec 30, 2019

KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
Little known fact, but he does have a wife at home, actually. He's just having fun as per usual.

well it didnt want to out right call him a perv

KirbyMonadoBoy · Dec 31, 2019

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Day 5: Sakurai pays homage to Turnabout Airlines from the first Miles Edgeworth Investigations game.

fogbadge · Dec 31, 2019

KirbyMonadoBoy said:
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Day 5: Sakurai pays homage to Turnabout Airlines from the first Miles Edgeworth Investigations game.

no no no, its clearly a homage to the old d-pads on consoles like the GBA on which AA debuted

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Dec 31, 2019

KirbyMonadoBoy said:
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Day 5: Sakurai pays homage to Turnabout Airlines from the first Miles Edgeworth Investigations game.

Somewhere out there,

smashkirby is smiling at this right now.

Krankees · Dec 31, 2019

This is pretty neat.

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ThunderSageNun · Dec 31, 2019

tfw when you're in the south hemisphere and you're in plain scorching summer.

Caladuz · Jan 1, 2020

ThunderSageNun said:
tfw when you're in the south hemisphere and you're in plain scorching summer.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Grass is always greener I suppose.

Anyways, happy new year everyone! Hopefully we have more luck in 2020.

fogbadge · Jan 1, 2020

ThunderSageNun said:
scorching summer.

those are real?

ThunderSageNun · Jan 1, 2020

Caladuz said:
You say that like it's a bad thing. Grass is always greener I suppose.

Anyways, happy new year everyone! Hopefully we have more luck in 2020.

it's more of a jab towards these jokes never applying where I live, but I'd say it's pretty objectively bad in places like Australia due to stuff like droughts and bushfires. I also hate the heat so it's naturally my least favorite season as an adult.

fogbadge said:
those are real?

Exaggerated where I live, but it's pretty bad in other countries/states.

Sabrewulf238 · Jan 1, 2020

KirbyMonadoBoy said:
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My first thought when I saw this was that he was hinting at Andy from Advance Wars.

I'm guessing this is the pilotwings map though?

fogbadge · Jan 1, 2020

ThunderSageNun said:
Exaggerated where I live, but it's pretty bad in other countries/states.

where i live theyre like a fairy tale

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Jan 1, 2020

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Obvious Capcom joke here.

fogbadge said:
where i live theyre like a fairy tale

Didn't know you were way up North with the penguins and polar bears.

fogbadge · Jan 1, 2020

KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
Didn't know you were way up North with the penguins and polar bears.

Oh yeah, Edinburgh zoo is full of them

KirbyMonadoBoy · Jan 1, 2020

Sabrewulf238 said:
My first thought when I saw this was that he was hinting at Andy from Advance Wars.

I'm guessing this is the pilotwings map though?

Yes, it's from Pilotwings.

KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
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Obvious Capcom joke here.

Day 6: Rise From The Ashes, like a Phoenix!

AceAttorney9000 · Jan 1, 2020

Tried my hand at some fan-made spirits and spirit battles. It was difficult narrowing it down to what seems like a reasonable amount, since the Ace Attorney series has a ton of characters who, if nothing else, would make great spirit battle material.

Also, obligatory warning to beware of game spoilers within these...

Maya Fey (Acolyte) -> Maya Fey (Kurain Village Master)

TYPE: Grab
CLASS: ★★☆☆ -> ★★★☆
SLOTS: ⬡⬡
ABILITY: Critical Health Healing
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Pink)
  - (Purple)
- Stage: Suzaku Castle
- Music: Maya Fey ~ Turnabout Sisters 2001
- Conditions
  - The enemy's magic attacks have increased power.
  - The enemy becomes more powerful after eating.
  - Certain items will appear in large numbers.
- Inspiration: Maya Fey and her cousin Pearl Fey, with Suzaku Castle standing for Kurain Village.

Mia Fey

TYPE: Defense
CLASS: ★★★★
SLOTS: ⬡
ABILITY: Super Armor
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered
- Conditions
  - Ally: (Black)
  - All fighters have increased move speed.
  - The enemy tends to avoid conflict.
- Inspiration: Mia Fey and her murderer Redd White, with the battle referencing the latter's breakdown in Turnabout Sisters.

Miles Edgeworth

TYPE: Attack
CLASS: ★★★☆
SLOTS: ⬡
ABILITY: Shield Damage Up
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Red)
  - (Green)
  - (Red)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Pursuit ~ Lying Coldly
- Conditions
  - You have reduced defense.
  - Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
- Inspiration: Miles Edgeworth and his allies in Ace Attorney Investigations, Detective Gumshoe and Kay Faraday.

Franziska (Age 13) -> Franziska von Karma

TYPE: Attack
CLASS: ★★☆☆ -> ★★★☆
SLOTS: ⬡
ABILITY: Weapon Attack Up
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (White)
  - (Green)
- Stage: Corneria
- Music: Pursuit ~ Questioned
- Conditions
  - Defeat the main fighter to win.
  - You have reduced defense.
  - Team Attack is turned on for the main fighter.
  - The enemy favors Side Specials and Up Smash attacks.
- Inspiration: Franziska von Karma and Detective Gumshoe, the latter often being a target of the former's whip, with Corneria standing in for Flight I-390 from Turnabout Airlines.

Manfred von Karma

TYPE: Attack
CLASS: ★★★☆
SLOTS: N/A
ABILITY: Electric Attack Up
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (White)
  - (Red)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered
- Conditions
  - Defeat the main fighter to win.
  - The enemy has super armor and is hard to launch or make flinch.
- Inspiration: Manfred von Karma, as well as the pet parrot Polly that infamously must be cross-examined.

Godot -> Diego Armando

TYPE: Defense
CLASS: ★★★☆ -> ★★★★
SLOTS: ⬡⬡
ABILITY: Invincibility after Eating
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Cyan)
  - (Pink)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered 2004
- Conditions
  - Defeat the main fighter to win.
  - The enemy becomes more powerful after eating.
  - Certain items will appear in large numbers.
- Inspiration: The final section of Bridge to the Turnabout, which sees Godot revealed to be Diego Armando and the murderer of Misty Fey, with Maya testifying to protect him.

Dahlia Hawthorne

TYPE: Support
CLASS: ★★☆☆
SLOT COST: ⬡⬡
ABILITY: Poison Immunity
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Black)
  - (White)
  - (Blue)
- Stage: The Great Cave Offensive (Battlefield Form)
- Music: Pursuit ~ Caught
- Conditions
  - Defeat the main fighter to win.
  - The enemy tends to avoid conflict.
  - The enemy has increased move speed.
- Inspiration: Bridge to the Turnabout, with Dahlia Hawthorne, Dahlia while being channeled by Maya, and Dahlia's twin sister Iris, and The Great Cave Offensive standing in for the Training Hall and Sacred Cavern.

Winston Payne

TYPE: Support
CLASS: ★☆☆☆
SLOT COST: ⬡
ABILITY: Lightweight
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (White)
  - (Pink)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered
- Conditions
  - Defeat the main fighter to win.
  - The enemy tends to avoid conflict.
- Inspiration: The First Turnabout, where you face off against Winston Payne and Frank Sahwit, the latter being the case's murderer who throws his hair at Phoenix Wright.

Gregory Edgeworth

TYPE: Defense
CLASS: ★★★★
SLOTS: N/A
ABILITY: Super Armor
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Orange)
  - (Black)
- Stage: Luigi's Mansion
- Music: Pursuit ~ Wanting to Find the Truth
- Conditions
  - Defeat the main fighter to win.
  - The enemy has increased attack power and move speed.
  - The enemy favors Down Specials.
- Inspiration: Gregory Edgeworth and Detective Tyrell Badd, with Luigi's Mansion standing in for the 12 Constellations Art Gallery.

Kristoph Gavin

TYPE: Defense
CLASS: ★★★☆
SLOT: ⬡⬡
ABILITY: Poison Immunity
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Purple)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Pursuit ~ Overtaken
- Conditions
  - Ally: (Purple)
  - The enemy has increased attack power and move speed when at high damage.
  - The enemy is giant when at high damage.
- Inspiration: The final section of Turnabout Succession, where Kristoph Gavin is revealed to be the mastermind behind Phoenix Wright's disbarment and the murders of Shadi Smith/Zak Gramarye and Drew Misham.

Athena Cykes

TYPE: Defense
CLASS: ★★★☆
SLOTS: ⬡⬡
ABILITY: Easier Perfect Shield
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Orange)
  - (Black)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Athena Cykes ~ Courtroom Revolutionnaire
- Conditions
  - Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.
  - The enemy has increased defense.
  - The enemy has increased melee-weapon damage.
- Inspiration: Athena Cykes and Simon Blackquill, the latter assisting the former in Turnabout Storyteller.

Bobby Fulbright -> "the phantom"

TYPE: Grab
CLASS: ★★☆☆ -> ★★★☆
SLOTS: ⬡
ABILITY: Critical Health Stats Up x 2
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (White)
- Stage: Reset Bomb Forest
- Music: Pursuit ~ Keep Pressing On
- Conditions
  - The enemy has increased move speed.
  - The enemy favors Side Specials.
  - The enemy starts the battle with a Bomber.
- Inspiration: Bobby Fulbright, who is revealed in Turnabout for Tomorrow to be the "phantom" that murdered Athena's mother and is responsible for the bombings in Turnabout Countdown and The Cosmic Turnabout, with Reset Bomb Forest standing in for the bombed Courtroom.

Nahyuta Sahdmadhi

TYPE: Attack
CLASS: ★★★☆
SLOTS: ⬡⬡
ABILITY: Neutral Special Up
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Apollo Justice ~ A New Trial is in Session! 2016
- Conditions
  - The enemy favors Neutral Specials and Side Specials.
  - The enemy has increased attack power and move speed.

Princess Rayfa

TYPE: Support
CLASS: ★★★★
SLOT COST: ⬡⬡
ABILITY: Magic Attack Up
SPIRIT BATTLE:
- Enemy Fighter(s)
  - (Black)
  - x 4
- Stage: Courtroom No. 4
- Music: Pursuit ~ Cornering Together
- Conditions
  - Ally: (Purple)
  - You lose if your CPU ally is KO'd.
  - The enemy has increased attack power and move speed when at high damage.
  - The enemy is giant when at high damage.
  - Reinforcements will appear during the battle.
- Inspiration: The final section of Turnabout Revolution, with your ally being a stand-in for Princess Rayfa, and the enemies being stand-ins for Prosecutor Ga'ran and her royal guards.

I don't know if there's a limit to how many spirits a DLC character can bring, but if Fighter 5 is gonna be who Sakurai goes ham with and includes over 20 to 40 spirits (not unlike Terry bringing 50 music tracks), an Ace Attorney character would be the best choice.

Mushroomguy12 · Jan 1, 2020

AceAttorney9000 said:
Tried my hand at some fan-made spirits and spirit battles. It was difficult narrowing it down to what seems like a reasonable amount, since the Ace Attorney series has a ton of characters who, if nothing else, would make great spirit battle material.

Also, obligatory warning to beware of game spoilers within these...

Maya Fey (Acolyte) -> Maya Fey (Kurain Village Master)

TYPE: Grab

CLASS: ★★☆☆ -> ★★★☆

SLOTS: ⬡⬡

ABILITY: Critical Health Healing

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Pink)

(Purple)

Stage: Suzaku Castle

Music: Maya Fey ~ Turnabout Sisters 2001

Conditions

The enemy's magic attacks have increased power.

The enemy becomes more powerful after eating.

Certain items will appear in large numbers.

Inspiration: Maya Fey and her cousin Pearl Fey, with Suzaku Castle standing for Kurain Village.

Mia Fey

TYPE: Defense

CLASS: ★★★★

SLOTS: ⬡

ABILITY: Super Armor

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered

Conditions

Ally: (Black)

All fighters have increased move speed.

The enemy tends to avoid conflict.

Inspiration: Mia Fey and her murderer Redd White, with the battle referencing the latter's breakdown in Turnabout Sisters.

Miles Edgeworth

TYPE: Attack

CLASS: ★★★☆

SLOTS: ⬡

ABILITY: Shield Damage Up

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Red)

(Green)

(Red)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Pursuit ~ Lying Coldly

Conditions

You have reduced defense.

Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.

Inspiration: Miles Edgeworth and his allies in Ace Attorney Investigations, Detective Gumshoe and Kay Faraday.

Franziska (Age 13) -> Franziska von Karma

TYPE: Attack

CLASS: ★★☆☆ -> ★★★☆

SLOTS: ⬡

ABILITY: Weapon Attack Up

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(White)

(Green)

Stage: Corneria

Music: Pursuit ~ Questioned

Conditions

Defeat the main fighter to win.

You have reduced defense.

Team Attack is turned on for the main fighter.

The enemy favors Side Specials and Up Smash attacks.

Inspiration: Franziska von Karma and Detective Gumshoe, the latter often being a target of the former's whip, with Corneria standing in for Flight I-390 from Turnabout Airlines.

Manfred von Karma

TYPE: Attack

CLASS: ★★★☆

SLOTS: N/A

ABILITY: Electric Attack Up

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(White)

(Red)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered

Conditions

Defeat the main fighter to win.

The enemy has super armor and is hard to launch or make flinch.

Inspiration: Manfred von Karma, as well as the pet parrot Polly that infamously must be cross-examined.

Godot -> Diego Armando

TYPE: Defense

CLASS: ★★★☆ -> ★★★★

SLOTS: ⬡⬡

ABILITY: Invincibility after Eating

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Cyan)

(Pink)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered 2004

Conditions

Defeat the main fighter to win.

The enemy becomes more powerful after eating.

Certain items will appear in large numbers.

Inspiration: The final section of Bridge to the Turnabout, which sees Godot revealed to be Diego Armando and the murderer of Misty Fey, with Maya testifying to protect him.

Dahlia Hawthorne

TYPE: Support

CLASS: ★★☆☆

SLOT COST: ⬡⬡

ABILITY: Poison Immunity

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Black)

(White)

(Blue)

Stage: The Great Cave Offensive (Battlefield Form)

Music: Pursuit ~ Caught

Conditions

Defeat the main fighter to win.

The enemy tends to avoid conflict.

The enemy has increased move speed.

Inspiration: Bridge to the Turnabout, with Dahlia Hawthorne, Dahlia while being channeled by Maya, and Dahlia's twin sister Iris, and The Great Cave Offensive standing in for the Training Hall and Sacred Cavern.

Winston Payne

TYPE: Support

CLASS: ★☆☆☆

SLOT COST: ⬡

ABILITY: Lightweight

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(White)

(Pink)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Pursuit ~ Cornered

Conditions

Defeat the main fighter to win.

The enemy tends to avoid conflict.

Inspiration: The First Turnabout, where you face off against Winston Payne and Frank Sahwit, the latter being the case's murderer who throws his hair at Phoenix Wright.

Gregory Edgeworth

TYPE: Defense

CLASS: ★★★★

SLOTS: N/A

ABILITY: Super Armor

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Orange)

(Black)

Stage: Luigi's Mansion

Music: Pursuit ~ Wanting to Find the Truth

Conditions

Defeat the main fighter to win.

The enemy has increased attack power and move speed.

The enemy favors Down Specials.

Inspiration: Gregory Edgeworth and Detective Tyrell Badd, with Luigi's Mansion standing in for the 12 Constellations Art Gallery.

Kristoph Gavin

TYPE: Defense

CLASS: ★★★☆

SLOT: ⬡⬡

ABILITY: Poison Immunity

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Purple)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Pursuit ~ Overtaken

Conditions

Ally: (Purple)

The enemy has increased attack power and move speed when at high damage.

The enemy is giant when at high damage.

Inspiration: The final section of Turnabout Succession, where Kristoph Gavin is revealed to be the mastermind behind Phoenix Wright's disbarment and the murders of Shadi Smith/Zak Gramarye and Drew Misham.

Athena Cykes

TYPE: Defense

CLASS: ★★★☆

SLOTS: ⬡⬡

ABILITY: Easier Perfect Shield

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Orange)

(Black)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Athena Cykes ~ Courtroom Revolutionnaire

Conditions

Reinforcements will appear after an enemy is KO'd.

The enemy has increased defense.

The enemy has increased melee-weapon damage.

Inspiration: Athena Cykes and Simon Blackquill, the latter assisting the former in Turnabout Storyteller.

Bobby Fulbright -> "the phantom"

TYPE: Grab

CLASS: ★★☆☆ -> ★★★☆

SLOTS: ⬡

ABILITY: Critical Health Stats Up x 2

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(White)

Stage: Reset Bomb Forest

Music: Pursuit ~ Keep Pressing On

Conditions

The enemy has increased move speed.

The enemy favors Side Specials.

The enemy starts the battle with a Bomber.

Inspiration: Bobby Fulbright, who is revealed in Turnabout for Tomorrow to be the "phantom" that murdered Athena's mother and is responsible for the bombings in Turnabout Countdown and The Cosmic Turnabout, with Reset Bomb Factory standing in for the bombed Courtroom.

Nahyuta Sahdmadhi

TYPE: Attack

CLASS: ★★★☆

SLOTS: ⬡⬡

ABILITY: Neutral Special Up

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Apollo Justice ~ A New Trial is in Session! 2016

Conditions

The enemy favors Neutral Specials and Side Specials.

The enemy has increased attack power and move speed.

Princess Rayfa

TYPE: Support

CLASS: ★★★★

SLOT COST: ⬡⬡

ABILITY: Magic Attack Up

SPIRIT BATTLE:

Enemy Fighter(s)

(Black)

x 4

Stage: Courtroom No. 4

Music: Pursuit ~ Cornering Together

Conditions

Ally: (Purple)

You lose if your CPU ally is KO'd.

The enemy has increased attack power and move speed when at high damage.

The enemy is giant when at high damage.

Reinforcements will appear during the battle.

Inspiration: The final section of Turnabout Revolution, with your ally being a stand-in for Princess Rayfa, and the enemies being stand-ins for Prosecutor Ga'ran and her royal guards.

I don't know if there's a limit to how many spirits a DLC character can bring, but if Fighter 5 is gonna be who Sakurai goes ham with and includes over 20 to 40 spirits (not unlike Terry bringing 50 music tracks), an Ace Attorney character would be the best choice.

I presume Apollo Justice is an echo of Phoenix in this scenario since he's not among the listed?

AceAttorney9000 · Jan 1, 2020

Mushroomguy12 said:
I presume Apollo Justice is an echo of Phoenix in this scenario since he's not among the listed?

Yup, I made those under the assumption that Phoenix Wright would get in with Apollo Justice as his Echo Fighter and Courtroom No. 4 as his stage.

Mushroomguy12 · Jan 1, 2020

AceAttorney9000 said:
Yup, I made those under the assumption that Phoenix Wright would get in with Apollo Justice as his Echo Fighter and Courtroom No. 4 as his stage.

I also presume that if Maya is in Phoenix's taunts and moveset like in Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 and how Morgana and Slime are featured in Joker and Hero's taunts, then Trucy Wright would be her equivalent for Apollo.

Jovahexeon Joranvexeon · Jan 1, 2020

KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
Good luck with this one.

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I can only see this as a reference.

One's blue themed, while the other is red and black. That's almost too easy to tie into Phoenix and Edgeworth's rivalry, bub.

Arctiq · Jan 1, 2020

I'm getting real JFA vibes from this one

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Krankees · Jan 1, 2020

Arctiq said:
I'm getting real JFA vibes from this one

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Sakurai out here taking pictures using his developer privileges.

AceAttorney9000 · Jan 2, 2020

Arctiq said:
I'm getting real JFA vibes from this one

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"You can't run forever, Pit! I cannot allow you to go on like this!"

KirbyMonadoBoy · Jan 2, 2020

Arctiq said:
I'm getting real JFA vibes from this one

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Day 7: Another possibility is Sakurai referencing Phoenix asking Mia's spirit for help.

Hadokeyblade · Jan 2, 2020

Mushroomguy12 said:
I also presume that if Maya is in Phoenix's taunts and moveset like in Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 and how Morgana and Slime are featured in Joker and Hero's taunts, then Trucy Wright would be her equivalent for Apollo.

Wouldn't Athena make more sense since she's his maya?

Krankees · Jan 2, 2020

Hadokeyblade said:
Wouldn't Athena make more sense since she's his maya?

I think Trucy would fit better since she was Apollo's Maya in Apollo Justice.

Sabrewulf238 · Jan 2, 2020

Hadokeyblade said:
Wouldn't Athena make more sense since she's his maya?

Isn't Athena more of her own lawyer? I don't really see any of the lawyers as "partner" characters since they're capable of doing the defending.

Besides, Trucy is the original partner for Apollo. Phoenix has had other partners besides Maya, but Maya is the original.

Besides Apollo and Trucy are brother and sister, so the pairing also makes a lot of sense in terms of story.

fogbadge · Jan 2, 2020

Arctiq said:
I'm getting real JFA vibes from this one

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oh its the founder of the kingdom in spirit of justice

ThunderSageNun · Jan 2, 2020

Sabrewulf238 said:
Isn't Athena more of her own lawyer? I don't really see any of the lawyers as "partner" characters since they're capable of doing the defending.

While I agree Trucy would fit Apollo better, I'd outright call Athena to be a glorified sidekick given how she's barely playable in her own centered game and is mostly there to give some comic relief with Apollo ~~I'd also flat out call her incompetent as a lawyer but that's an entirely different topic.~~

Flyboy · Jan 2, 2020

ThunderSageNun said:
While I agree Trucy would fit Apollo better, I'd outright call Athena to be a glorified sidekick given how she's barely playable in her own centered game and is mostly there to give some comic relief with Apollo ~~I'd also flat out call her incompetent as a lawyer but that's an entirely different topic.~~

this post sucks

Hadokeyblade · Jan 2, 2020

Sabrewulf238 said:
Isn't Athena more of her own lawyer? I don't really see any of the lawyers as "partner" characters since they're capable of doing the defending.

Besides, Trucy is the original partner for Apollo. Phoenix has had other partners besides Maya, but Maya is the original.

Besides Apollo and Trucy are brother and sister, so the pairing also makes a lot of sense in terms of story.

I think it's a bit of a different situation here.
Yeah Trucy was Apollo's original partner but Athena was his partner for significantly more time. So they have a closer dynamic.

Leotsune · Jan 2, 2020

uhm... I know im a bit late but, happy christmas/new year everyone!
From what I've read in the last few pages of this thread, nothing important has happened.
I don't know about the newcomer thread because I dont feel like reading +100 pages but I guess its kinda the same.

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Jan 2, 2020

Not gonna type everything, but I'll quote myself and

Curious Villager for a second:

KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
Well, this is it.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...se_lists_multiple_new_sku_for_nintendo_switch

We're getting announcements soon.

Curious Villager said:
So its finally time...

Also apparently you can pre purchase fighter 5 now, so... shadow drop, maybe?

Perhaps we will be hearing about the first post pass fighter too.

We're getting close, how exciting!

KirbyWorshipper2465 said:
Maybe, but they're not there for no reason, this isn't like the supposed Metroid Prime Trilogy leak that happened a while back.

So what if the SKUs have been there for months and supposedly won't be used? Tempering expectations is one thing, but the deadline for the fighter pass deal is the end of next month, so they can't afford to lag much longer.

Also, we'll hear something from PlatinumGames, at the very least:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/01/expect_big_news_from_a_full_speed_platinumgames_this_year

Now this here might be actual evidence.

Also:

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I think this would be an ideal time to use court logic.

fogbadge · Jan 2, 2020

ThunderSageNun said:
While I agree Trucy would fit Apollo better, I'd outright call Athena to be a glorified sidekick given how she's barely playable in her own centered game and is mostly there to give some comic relief with Apollo ~~I'd also flat out call her incompetent as a lawyer but that's an entirely different topic.~~

when did athena get a central game?

ThunderSageNun · Jan 2, 2020

Flyboy said:
this post sucks

it's missing something for that

ThunderSageNun said:
While I agree Trucy would fit Apollo better, I'd outright call Athena to be a glorified sidekick given how she's barely playable in her own centered game and is mostly there to give some comic relief with Apollo ~~I'd also flat out call her incompetent as a lawyer but that's an entirely different topic.~~

there, now it sucks.

fogbadge said:
when did athena get a central game?

Like, there's no Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney, but Dual Destinies is pretty central to her character, just like Spirit of Justice is pretty central to Apollo despite that his name isn't in the title.

TemporalShrew · Jan 2, 2020

I mean, one could very easily argue that Phoenix is also a "terrible lawyer," given the proper strictness of standards. Like, I haven't replayed Dual Destinies in years, so I'm pretty hazy on Athena's performances, but if cross-examining a parrot and fairly frequently relying on deus-ex-machina last-minute saves is consistent with "good lawyer" standards in the context in which we're talking, I feel like attempting to have a conversation under the assumption that there even are a set of clear standards on what makes a lawyer good in the AA universe is pretty futile.

(Also, I feel like if "not being the player character in a game about you" is enough to make you a "sidekick," then Chrom in Fire Emblem: Awakening is a sidekick, and that's... emphatically not true).

ThunderSageNun · Jan 2, 2020

TemporalShrew said:
I mean, one could very easily argue that Phoenix is also a "terrible lawyer," given the proper strictness of standards. Like, I haven't replayed Dual Destinies in years, so I'm pretty hazy on Athena's performances, but if cross-examining a parrot and fairly frequently relying on deus-ex-machina last-minute saves is consistent with "good lawyer" standards in the context in which we're talking, I feel like attempting to have a conversation under the assumption that there even are a set of clear standards on what makes a lawyer good in the AA universe is pretty futile.

(Also, I feel like if "not being the player character in a game about you" is enough to make you a "sidekick," then Chrom in Fire Emblem: Awakening is a sidekick, and that's... emphatically not true).

I dunno man, while by all intents and purposes Phoenix is a rookie and very prone to nonsense in his own trilogy (which is kind of why I don't really like seeing him be playable anymore when he feels as much of a newbie as over a decade ago despite that he's supposed to be a veteran by this point), we don't see him suffer emotional breakdowns in every case he takes the defense stand on and requires on everyone cheering him up to get anywhere. He needs help from the likes of Mia and Edgeworth a lot, and hell, he does have moments where he feels like all hope is lost for his client, but (besides that I think older games handled the magic to turn the case upside down better) he at the very least still feels capable to keep some degree of mental stability to keep doing his job (even if this meant saying he had no further objections), which I absolutely don't think Athena does if the 2.5 cases where she takes the leading role are anything to go by. Some might find that compelling, but I think it comes out as a sloppy and tiring attempt to give a character "a flaw".
And when Athena is mostly doing supportive roles through investigations and popping up the mood matrix every now and then for Phoenix or Apollo, not too differently from how Maya channels Mia or how Kay activates the little thief, I don't think it's untrue to say she fits this sidekick criteria as much if not more than her lawyer one. It doesn't help that her only playable case in SoJ might as well be a complete afterthought thrown around so she actually had a playable case and reached the now seemingly mandatory 5 cases minimum per game, and it might also be the most pointless case in the entire franchise.
It's not even that I dislike Athena as a character, but I hate how she's generally handled in the courtroom, and after SoJ, I can't say I look forward to whatever the hell they plan to do with her if she doesn't pull a Maya or AA7 is centered around an entirely new cast of characters.

fogbadge · Jan 2, 2020

ThunderSageNun said:
Like, there's no Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney, but Dual Destinies is pretty central to her character, just like Spirit of Justice is pretty central to Apollo despite that his name isn't in the title.

true, but they werent trying to make her the main character to be fair

AmphabulouSnake · Jan 4, 2020

Hello everyone

I'm back from my Smash speculation break, since the next Nintendo Direct seems imminant.
I've been playing through the Ace Attorney series since last month, and I'm already at Edgeworth Investigations 2 O_O
It's been an amazing experience so far, the Phoenix Wright Trilogy was just awesome, and Edgeworth Investigations was a nice change of pace

The music in that game reminds me sooooo much of Pokemon Ranger music, it gives me lottsa nostalgia so I appreciate it :D
I admit I kinda miss the court atm, but I'm close to getting into Apollo Justice, so I'm very excited :D
Playing with a laggy emulator is kind of a pain, but I can live through it imo
However I guess I'll have to pay to play the last two Ace Attorney games on the 3DS, but I'm not close to that just yet lmao
Anyways, I now REALLY hope Phoenix get's in Smash now that I know him better, and I'm already thinking about ALLLLL the cameos Sakurai's gonna put on his stage :'D AND THE MUSIC ESPECIALLY
(PS : Gumshoe is just the best it I love him he doesn't deserve any slander, it makes me sad since I heard he doesn't appear in any game after Edgeworth Investigations

I hope me finishing up the Ace Attorney series will summon Ace Attorney 7 lol)

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Jan 4, 2020

Oh dear, this hasn't been kept track of, time for a two-fer.

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