Work In Progress SWF Community Voted Tier List - 3.0 COMPLETE

[L1N3R1D3R]

Ike:-2

Ryu:+21

Captain Falcon:+3

Meta Knight:+9

Villager:+8

Wario:+1

Pac-Man:+1

Peach:+2

Donkey Kong:-11

Luigi:0

Rob:-2

Pits:-1

This is a HUGE risk I'm taking from showing this, but right now it looks like DK is the only one going down

Just wondering, did you count Browny's +1 Villager, -1 Pac-Man (srsly) in this tally?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Just wondering, did you count Browny's +1 Villager, -1 Pac-Man (srsly) in this tally?

Not everyone likes Pac-Man

 

[atreyujames]

Think of it like this, if Ryu also had the most/equal amount of dislikes, he'd be stuck in the same tier(moving up then down and vice-versa). Most amount of up and downvotes moves them, while the other significant(the yang to its ying)won't matter.

Sure that's probably correct if the votes are rather equal. But what if one character gets 15 upvotes and 4 downvotes as "countervotes" not as real "worst in the tier votes" then I believe he would have a higher vote count than a character with 10 upvotes and no downvotes. I think the counts are separate from each other in this phase. Pls though Browny , correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't seem to be the only one confused about countervotes in this phase

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Sure that's probably correct if the votes are rather equal. But what if one character gets 15 upvotes and 4 downvotes as "countervotes" not as real "worst in the tier votes" then I believe he would have a higher vote count than a character with 10 upvotes and no downvotes. I think the counts are separate from each other in this phase. Pls though Browny , correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't seem to be the only one confused about countervotes in this phase

Then the one with more is the winner...maybe

 

[Browny]

Its a net result, so 14+ and 4- is equal to 10+ votes.

HOWEVER I do put weight on unaminous votes.

For example, if the two highest characters in their tier ended up on +15 and -6 (+9), and +10 and -2 (+8) I would either move both of them up or none of them since they arent far enough apart.

If however the votes were +12 and 0 (+12) and +16 and -4 (+12) I might only move the first one up since it was unanimously agreed that they go up. Its complicated but it entirely depends on how many other characters are moving. Since I cant just move everyone up a tier, I need to draw a line somewhere and that line usually has to divide the highest rated character in a tier, from everyone else (and similarly with the lowest rated character).

Also, updating...

 

[atreyujames]

Its a net result, so 14+ and 4- is equal to 10+ votes.

HOWEVER I do put weight on unaminous votes.

For example, if the two highest characters in their tier ended up on +15 and -6 (+9), and +10 and -2 (+8) I would either move both of them up or none of them since they arent far enough apart.

If however the votes were +12 and 0 (+12) and +16 and -4 (+12) I might only move the first one up since it was unanimously agreed that they go up. Its complicated but it entirely depends on how many other characters are moving. Since I cant just move everyone up a tier, I need to draw a line somewhere and that line usually has to divide the highest rated character in a tier, from everyone else (and similarly with the lowest rated character).

Also, updating...

Ahhh ok. Thanks for the explanation. I guess I got my example mixed around then =P

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Its a net result, so 14+ and 4- is equal to 10+ votes.

HOWEVER I do put weight on unaminous votes.

For example, if the two highest characters in their tier ended up on +15 and -6 (+9), and +10 and -2 (+8) I would either move both of them up or none of them since they arent far enough apart.

If however the votes were +12 and 0 (+12) and +16 and -4 (+12) I might only move the first one up since it was unanimously agreed that they go up. Its complicated but it entirely depends on how many other characters are moving. Since I cant just move everyone up a tier, I need to draw a line somewhere and that line usually has to divide the highest rated character in a tier, from everyone else (and similarly with the lowest rated character).

Also, updating...

RIP Donkey Kong(or Expand Dong for the meme lovers)

 

[DMWN]

()
+
+ on the grounds that everything combos into anything

 

[Browny]

once you can work around his ding dong you can beat him.

Not if he beats his dong first ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I am still updating by the way, it takes longer since I am not on my normal computer when doing this.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Just wondering, did you count Browny's +1 Villager, -1 Pac-Man (srsly) in this tally?

No, because he doesn't specify if his own opinions are a vote or not.

 

[Freakykid99]

Not if he beats his dong first ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Ayy lmao

 

[DMWN]

Not if he beats his dong first ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I am still updating by the way, it takes longer since I am not on my normal computer when doing this.

Forgive me, but what exactly are you updating? Is Tier 3 being finalized?

 

[Browny]

Yep. Updating always means that I am making a new version of the list. And my votes do count as well, I make them in the OP when I make my example votes. I forget to count mine sometimes though.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Not if he beats his dong first ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I am still updating by the way, it takes longer since I am not on my normal computer when doing this.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Browny]

UPDATED

It was close to begin with, MK was right up there about to move up a tier with ryu but in the end falcon and villager almost had as many upvotes as Metaknight, so I had to draw the line at Ryu. DK was a clear favourite to move down.

Now to vote on tier 2;
2:

 

[Equin0x]

2:

EDIT
- After seeing others' votes, it seems inevitable for at least one to move up and at least one to move down. If I had to choose one to go down, it'd be Yoshi. As good as he feels, he unfortunately has no real results outside of Yoshidora in Japan.
+ Diddy has results in every scene, including worldwide. He has easy comboes, kill throws, and easy, safe kill setups. His recovery is vulnerable but it is also versatile. He has the banana for combo setups, stage control, and kill setups, Peanut Popgun for zoning, and a command grab to beat shields in a mixup, as if he needed more ways to beat shield.

I don't feel Ryu is tier 1. Not yet. He lacks range and safe apprpach options. His punish game is absolutely devastating and Focus is amazing, but hos punish game requires something be able to be punished, and people are working their way around Focus consistently.

 

[wedl!!]

-1
going to wait on my second vote

 

[TMNTSSB4]

+1(The biggest stars in gaming deserve it)

 

[Rinku リンク]

Other than moving a few characters around I don't really feel as if anyone should move down or up.

 

[Deleted member]

2:

+1
-1

 

[Stick Dude]

2:

-1

+1 Counter-vote

 

[lbrasz44]

-1 I don't like to vote any particular character down, but Yoshi doesn't belong here. Has the theory, definitely has the data, but it can only go so far without any tangible evidence to show for it. Yoshi is pretty awesome but the lack of results is what really makes him stick out badly here. Hell even in tier 3 he's gotten nowhere compared to those characters there.

Otherwise, this tier is actually pretty good as is despite lacking villager imo, although Ryu definitely deserves to be here. In fact, I really have no solid qualms about their ordering whatsoever as they're pretty damn close in how effective they can be used. They are the best of the really good, but not the powerhouses like those in tier 1 (although pikachu is debatable to an extent, but that question is for the next round)

 

[misterOWAIN33]

+ Ryu, - Fox

 

[DMWN]

+ -- Long-reaching, low-risk attacks.
- -- The community has wised up, and the shield stun changes did not help him.

EDIT: Ignore this post.

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

2:

+ I could see him being top tier. He has amazing attacks that can be changed based on the situation, meaning that he can have a great combo game, a great kill game, and thus a great punish game. His only major flaw is the distance of his recovery.
- His down throw, back throw, neutral air, forward air, and up-air are amazing, but that's about it. He has troubles approaching, and his recovery is the worst of the top two tiers. PK Fire does good damage, but it's very telegraphed. Neutral B is useless, down B is very situational, and his yo-yo smash attacks are very weak.

Opinions on the others:
just above because Diddy has an easier time killing and recovering, though Mario combos slightly easier.
was VERY close to getting the downvote, but he escaped with his great recovery and power.
is a solid contender with great frame data, a projectile, and the best aerial mobility. He does suffer from a bad grab game, though.
With his nerfs in power, he can't be top tier, but he still is a good contender with his mixups and speed.

 

[Freakykid99]

Jeez this tier is hard.
Gonna hold out on my votes, because I'm not sure if I want yoshi to move down or not. I also wish that villager was here, but whatever.

 

[Ze Diglett]

-1He's good, but fits a lot better at the top of tier 3 than anywhere in tier 2.

 

[IndigoSSB]

- It goes without saying why he's being downvoted, he's the odd one out in this tier. I voted Ryu up last round with the intention of replacing Yoshi, everybody else has the theory and the results to back up their high tier status.

I'll refrain from using my second vote for now, I don't really want anybody else moving up or down from this tier.

 

[phire_]

+ (very easy and very good character to use in general; has many great combos in his arsenal)
- (I personally don't see THAT much potential with him)

 

[atreyujames]

Again, I think no changes are NEEDED atm. Might change my opinion later, but as it is this tier looks fine

EDIT: With my new found knowledge that counter votes are a thing...

- 1
+1

 

[AlphaSSB]

+1
-1

 

[XenoBlur]

+1

 

[Duck SMASH!]

+1 Ryu. He seriously has the tools and power to challenge the top tiers.
-1 Ness. Overrated and it's only getting harder for him to find the openings he needs.
I think Mario and Sonic are at about the same level now. They should be together or following each other.

 

[atreyujames]

I think Mario and Sonic are at about the same level now. They should be together or following each other.

Funny thing is, 11/16 of the voters so far agree with you (me included).

 

[Deleted member]

-1 Why is he anywhere near here? No really, can somebody explain as to why some people think he's this good?
+1 Combos, TSRK, Focus, raw damage output, safety, good footsies, lots of options etc.

 

[Dcas]

+1 He might not have the huge kill potential but still top 4 imo.
-1 As many great tools he has, the downsides are huge as well. He deserves to be top of tier 3.

 

[Thor]

If I'm reading how the voting works correctly, where +1 moves people up and -1 moves people down a tier, and votes counteract each other, then I think Yoshi is too high [where is MK/Falcon/Villager??? why was I not here to vote for them?] and I think no one else in here belongs in the tier above, so...

-1 Sonic (to counteract the vote above, can compete with nearly the entire cast but has some awkward MUs and the ability to hold shield at center stage to avoid dying is somewhat detrimental to him... definitely only a small step below the top though)
-1 Ryu (to counteract the vote above, too gimpable, seems to have some trouble with smaller characters, feels a cut below the top tiers)

 

[aquaticpineapples]

2:

+
-

 

[Thecombosetups]

2:
+
-

 

[DarkK]

2.

-
+