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Fsmash is much stronger, and even though it was only a small change, its far noticable now thanks to the knock back buffs it received. Just because a move is chargeable, it doesn't mean it is instantly their strongest attack.
+1 Consistenlty buffed with the patches, and the results from TBH5 showing multiple Ikes placing top 32 indicates that he should really be higher+1 May not have the results as well as being a lightweight, but in no way deserves to be in the tier he's in now. Huge competitive potential+1 Zage. Guy's stylin. More players like him and just honing the craft more would do wonders for this character's metagame
Browny
- Marth gameplay
I was about to go ham on you until i saw the last part.Alright here's my tier list:
S:
A:
B:
C:
D:
E:
F:
Yes, this is a joke.
But Serisualy, I'm not posting my tier list. But please, people, stop posting tier lists, it's gonna screw up his thread, and cause a lot of heated argeuemnts. At SOME point, somebody may make a tier list THIS bad.
So THIS is why tier lists end up in that thread bespite being "Punishable by Death"
Imo since I call my tiers S A+ A A- B D and F so 4 would be A- so Low High Tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQg7PuZPqUY - This was at Paragon, very recent. This also shows why Marth is very scary. Killing easily from center stage at 49%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G3-V66bgeo - At 3:39, this also shows another scary thing for Marth, with the whole ledge snap thing. Being able to hit a tipper as the opponent snaps the ledge, I wish I was better at that myself actually! I think this Marth could have taken this set though. Why ever the player decided to do DB1 when returning to the stage is beyond me.
Still, this is nothing fantastic, I know, but it's the character being pushed and I like to see that. I know what you are trying to get at with that challenge. Remember, you also said yourself on the opening post "Base your votes on ANYTHING you want", so results aren't the first thing everybody is going to be thinking of. Also, people who do use Marth a bit nowadays, such as Ally, only recently picked the character up. It's things like this we need to look to, people picking him up and pushing the character, because they obviously think Marth has something.
Actually, something else kinda related, which tier on this list do you consider high tier or above? I think Marth deserves to hang with the characters in tier 4 (albeit, near the bottom of it if I had to place individually). Would you class tier 4 as high tier? Or would it be more upper mid for example? By my perception, tier 2 would be high tier, with 1 being top tier obviously. Just curious, thanks!
Tbh go ham anyways there's two gunners.
I'd say tiers 1-3 were high, 4 was middle, and 5-7 were low.
Haha LOL. Who did I miss?Tbh go ham anyways there's two gunners.
Edit: Is no one going to criticize my tier list? D:
Well I guess it means it's good if no one says anything
-1+1+1
You had gunner in two tiers lel
I said "Who did I miss?" not "Who did I put in two times?"
Ha. no. Bonus fruits are great and all, but if the opponent has any matchup knowledge and the skill to grab fruits out of the air then they get much weaker. I feel a big misconception about Pacman is that people assume that the fruit are good to use in neutral (they're meh). They are good mix-up tools, good zoning tools, and good for set-ups, but what they aren't are an instant problem solver. Outside of the orange, key, and apple, all the fruits are really easy to grab. Biggest problem with you're post is that you used approach and Power Pellet in the same sentence. Along with Pacman's Dair, Power Pellet is Pacman's worst move. It's good for a few galaxian combo's and interesting ways to launch the hydrant, and is a passable (if not highly telegraphed) way to recover. IT IS NOT a way to approach. That'd be like Luigi charging up his missile and expecting to use it as a successful approach. This just goes to show that Pacman isn't an easy character to use. You can't make assumptions based on the fact that he has projectiles so he must be able to wall out opponents. His main zoning tools aren't even the fruit, they are the Hydrant and the Trampoline
I think you forgot
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I wasn't looking but
and.
Aren't we also forgetting this guyI wasn't looking but
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: He's gotta be in the next tier up. : Ike is a better character than Roy, and is better than all the other characters in his tier (except Greninja): he belongs around where Robin is. He's got some tricks up his sleeves, but he's got far to many problems to be as high as he is
Ike is definitely not better then Pit...like at all.+1
+1
-1
They're equally good... In tier 3
Thanks I hadn't seen that Mr.E one before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQg7PuZPqUY - This was at Paragon, very recent. This also shows why Marth is very scary. Killing easily from center stage at 49%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G3-V66bgeo - At 3:39, this also shows another scary thing for Marth, with the whole ledge snap thing. Being able to hit a tipper as the opponent snaps the ledge, I wish I was better at that myself actually! I think this Marth could have taken this set though. Why ever the player decided to do DB1 when returning to the stage is beyond me.
Still, this is nothing fantastic, I know, but it's the character being pushed and I like to see that. I know what you are trying to get at with that challenge. Remember, you also said yourself on the opening post "Base your votes on ANYTHING you want", so results aren't the first thing everybody is going to be thinking of. Also, people who do use Marth a bit nowadays, such as Ally, only recently picked the character up. It's things like this we need to look to, people picking him up and pushing the character, because they obviously think Marth has something.
Actually, something else kinda related, which tier on this list do you consider high tier or above? I think Marth deserves to hang with the characters in tier 4 (albeit, near the bottom of it if I had to place individually). Would you class tier 4 as high tier? Or would it be more upper mid for example? By my perception, tier 2 would be high tier, with 1 being top tier obviously. Just curious, thanks!
+ (Marth's tipper is not worth a whole tier guys come on) + +Finally someone who gets it thank god.
It is. If you think it isn't then w/e because I'm really tired of that argument.
Mr E is quite a good Marth by Smash 4 standards. I mean, it bugs me how he likes to Nair to approach, even though Fair is much safer, but still. And as regards to Ally, I can't remember the last time he used Marth in a tournament setting, though i'm sure he used him only about 2 months ago... I can't remember.
If you are reffering to Lucina lacking Marth's tipper, then that's the thing, it isn't worth a whole tier just because she lacks it. Lucina does a few things better than Marth, and Marth does a few things better than Lucina (albeit, Marth does do more better than Lucina in general), but their movesets are exactly the same. Marth will always be above Lucina because of his potential to finish off stocks at ridiculous percents, but just because Lucina lacks this, it does not make her bad at all.
And I stand my point it does have an entire tier gap between them. The only reason I believe Marth in Tier 4 is his tipper otherwise he'd be Tier 5 in my mind. Therefore Lucina.
+1+1 -1Have you considered characters like
who are extremely difficult to land tippers on especially if they're skilled?
Bowserboy3
has already stated before, Lucina is better in certain cases than Marth. 
Sorry, only three votes per voting phase.
+1+1+1
