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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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Erureido

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that's always seemed like a pretty big stretch to me
the roles fit, sure, but it could definitely be a coincidence
I mean, Xerneas and Yveltal both have roots from Norse Mythology as well. Xerneas and Yveltal are based around the stags and the eagle from the Yggdrasil (The World Tree from Norse Mythology) respectively, and Zygarde also has ties with the Níòhöggr, the snake from the same legend. Perhaps it's all a coincidence, but it seems possible that Norse Mythology could've been a source of inspiration for the developers when thinking of the X and Y legendaries similar to how the Creation Trio and Arceus have ties with Shinto legends.

>Diantha
>Important character in X and Y's story

You have to make a choice here.
There really isn't a choice to make between the two. Diantha is an important character in X and Y's story since she is the champion, unless you are implying that Diantha didn't have much of an impact on X and Y's overall plot (which I can understand).
 
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There really isn't a choice to make between the two. Diantha is an important character in X and Y's story since she is the champion, unless you are implying that Diantha didn't have much of an impact on X and Y's overall plot (which I can understand).
Precisely the latter. Diantha is introduced, and that's kind of it. They don't reference her again until all of a sudden SUPRISE! She's the champion. Compared to all other champions she had the least amount of impact in the plot. Diantha was just kinda...there. She showed up, and then she was champion for little to no reason. And she wasn't even that good of a champion compared to the rest either. She was just a forgettable character overall. The champion seriously should've been Sycamore, now THAT would've been surprising, and a pretty cool battle as well.
 
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hey guys i have a question. have the replay times been extended when you upload them to youtube? i have video that went beyond 3 minutes and i thought 3 minutes was the limit. i'll even prove it. heres the vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg8ZWm5Y8y4

anyone know whats up?
The results screen doesn't count towards the time limit. It's still 3 minutes, unfortunately.
 
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If we're ever to get a newcomer from a previous Pokemon Gen, there's only one correct choice, obviously.

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Obviously Blastoise

Both wrong.

Clearly, it's Wobbuffet.
Notice how it mysteriously disappeared from the face of the Earth after being in Melee and Brawl....?
Its training for its Smash debut as a defensive-oriented fighter.
 
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Both wrong.

Clearly, it's Wobbuffet.
Notice how it mysteriously disappeared from the face of the Earth after being in Melee and Brawl....?
Its training for its Smash debut as a defensive-oriented fighter.
And it has counter too! Ugh why Sakurai.
 
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I like how in Spore, the second to last stage of all my creatures is always more powerful than the last

The last is usually more based on looks.
 

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I mean, Xerneas and Yveltal both have roots from Norse Mythology as well. Xerneas and Yveltal are based around the stags and the eagle from the Yggdrasil (The World Tree from Norse Mythology) respectively, and Zygarde also has ties with the Níòhöggr, the snake from the same legend. Perhaps it's all a coincidence, but it seems possible that Norse Mythology could've been a source of inspiration for the developers when thinking of the X and Y legendaries similar to how the Creation Trio and Arceus have ties with Shinto legends
If I'm to be honest, I feel that the Norse theory is mostly driven by confirmation bias. While the trio does fit from an animal perspective, they don't really have anything in common with their mythological counterparts from the character perspective, even when breaking it down to their most basic traits. Niohoggr was a destructive beast that sought to tear down Yggdrasil, the eagle had vast knowledge and sent insulting messages to Niohoggr, and the deers... were mostly just deers. Zygarde has nothing in common with Niohoggr as it wants to protect the world it lives in and keep order, the opposite of what Niohoggr does. Same with Yveltal and the eagle as the former isn't said to have a vast knowledge of the world nor send messages to annoy Zygarde while the latter isn't an incarnation of destruction. Xerneas fits the best admittedly, but that's mostly because it's a deer and it has a tree form rather then any traits specific to the deers.

So personally, I don't see anything that really sells them as the Pokémon forms of these Norse beings. Granted, maybe once they give the group much better lore it'll be more apparent, but right now, I'm not seeing as much connecting them to that mythology like I would with Pokémon like the Creation Trio and Arceus (who at least have some similarities through their concept as creation deities).

Precisely the latter. Diantha is introduced, and that's kind of it. They don't reference her again until all of a sudden SUPRISE! She's the champion. Compared to all other champions she had the least amount of impact in the plot. Arguments could be made for Lance, but Gold was pretty much a sequel/expansion to Red and Blue, so I'm guessing they expected players to know who Lance was. However, take Blue, Steven, Wallace, Cynthia, Alder, and even IRIS all had more influence on the overall plot of their games. Diantha was just kinda...there. She showed up, and then she was champion for little to no reason. And she wasn't even that good of a champion compared to the rest either. She was just a forgettable character overall. The champion seriously should've been Sycamore, now THAT would've been surprising, and a pretty cool battle as well.
To be fair to Lance, he does help you at the Lake of Rage. It's not much, but at least you were give time to work with him and get to know him compared to Diantha.
 

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Ivysaur is a thing too.:ivysaur:
 

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I just want Zygarde in Pokken really.

Also thank y'all for the eShop suggestions. I went and bought Sakura Samurai (Swards Punch-Out basically) and Steamworld Heist.
 

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Precisely the latter. Diantha is introduced, and that's kind of it. They don't reference her again until all of a sudden SUPRISE! She's the champion. Compared to all other champions she had the least amount of impact in the plot. Arguments could be made for Lance, but Gold was pretty much a sequel/expansion to Red and Blue, so I'm guessing they expected players to know who Lance was. However, take Blue, Steven, Wallace, Cynthia, Alder, and even IRIS all had more influence on the overall plot of their games. Diantha was just kinda...there. She showed up, and then she was champion for little to no reason. And she wasn't even that good of a champion compared to the rest either. She was just a forgettable character overall. The champion seriously should've been Sycamore, now THAT would've been surprising, and a pretty cool battle as well.
Yeah, I admit that I too was disappointed with Diantha as a champion. I mean, I like her for her appearance and for her theme, but I wish we got to meet her more often in X and Y's story. I know people will argue that meeting her twice before finally having a battle with her is what created an element of surprise compared to other champions, but I remember when I first saw her in one of the CoroCoro leaks, her appearance just screamed "I'm the champion", even when you encounter her when she is talking with Lysandre, that scene made me think, "Yep, that's probably the champion he is talking to." With such details giving such obvious hints, it makes the idea of "only encounter that character twice so that you will be surprised who this character really is later on" less appealing; thus, the approach then should be to make her important to the story in some sort of way.

I mean, look at Cynthia. When you first meet her, something about her appearance just gives you the inkling that she's probably the champion, so you kind of know what to expect; however, you encounter her more often throughout the story (not to mention she aids you as well, giving you items as well as educating you about the Sinnoh legends), so much so to the point that she actually feels important to D/P/P's overall plot (and perhaps encountering her often is what makes you feel hyped for the potential final battle against her) and it was through these interactions you learned about her character; by the time you fought her, you knew she's the champion, but at the same time you feel glad and hyped you are having a battle with a person who had an impact on your adventure and one whose character you came to understand.

With the way Diantha was handled, it made me wish we met her more often so that we could learn more about her and feel hyped to actually battle her, and since she didn't have much of an impact to X/Y's overall, I found her forgettable compared to the other champions. Heck, I honestly think she was also the easiest champion we've gotten thus far; her battle didn't feel very challenging for me in the slightest compared to the other champion battles.

And regarding the idea of Sycamore being the champion, I remember one of the earlier X and Y rumors mentioned that Sycamore would be the champion, and I was pretty hyped about that. Too bad those rumors ended up being false later on.

Improving the champion is also one of my top wishes for Pokemon Z. In that regard, I want to see either:
  • If Diantha will remain the champion, let us encounter her more often in the main story or make her important in a way similar to champions like Steven or Cynthia, as well make her a lot harder.
  • If not the above option, replace Diantha with a new champion who would actually be important to Z's overall plot (as in someone who you encounter frequently and aids you in your quest similar to Cynthia and Steven), and as well as being much harder compared to her. Diantha could then appear as the postgame boss similar to Steven and Alder from their respective games. This second option is the one that I'd prefer seeing more between the two.
 
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Tomorrow @SmashChu, @Spazzy_D, Nantendo and Oliver Jamenson (You should check out his blog, Minus World!) will be recording the next SourceCast! The topic will be able retro gaming. Please let us know if you have any burning questions to ask, and we will try to address them within the podcast!

Also, is anyone interested in a tourney today? I'm thinking about setting up a "One Punch" tourney. Stamina mode, set to 10%, speed high, no items. Random Stages, Mii's Allowed. I'll stream it too :3
 

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Yes, I was 100% aware of that... I was just wondering if it had to do with... Well, anything at the moment. Because it seemed like a sarcastic reply to something.

I'm not THAT clueless. :p Ugh, this is so embarrasing...
lmao my bad. its hard to tell sometimes on the internet

its all cool! i didnt think any less of you

Steamworld heist is out, and that looks pretty good
I heard a lot of good about that game, I recently played Steamworld Dig (although different game entirely) which was pretty great. I recommend that one as well
 
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Diantha and Lysandre should have had their roles reversed
With all their dialogue before the 7th gym remain the same
Now that would be a plot twist
The totally-evil-guy would turn out to be a lovable champion
And the actress you saw twice wants to destroy the world
Both wrong.

Clearly, it's Wobbuffet.
Notice how it mysteriously disappeared from the face of the Earth after being in Melee and Brawl....?
Its training for its Smash debut as a defensive-oriented fighter.
All of Wobbuffet's moves are counters!
He would fit right in! :troll:
 

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Diantha and Lysandre should have had their roles reversed
With all their dialogue before the 7th gym remain the same
Now that would be a plot twist
The totally-evil-guy would turn out to be a lovable champion
And the actress you saw twice wants to destroy the world

All of Wobbuffet's moves are counters!
He would fit right in! :troll:
Holy **** it gets better!
Lysandre doesn't want the world to lose it's beauty or some ****. Diantha could easily be like Straights and be all 'I DON'T WANT TO BE OLD!'
 

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Tomorrow @SmashChu, @Spazzy_D, Nantendo and Oliver Jamenson (You should check out his blog, Minus World!) will be recording the next SourceCast! The topic will be able retro gaming. Please let us know if you have any burning questions to ask, and we will try to address them within the podcast!
Am actually kind of tempted to ask you guys to join in on that. If I put as much effort into Smash as I do Retro Gaming I'd be ranking high on the leader-boards for my state (I'd also probably have more money). :laugh:

Diantha? Although she's easliy the worst champion in the series, I prefer her over Alder. Not to mention that battle theme is Smash worthy
I blame the plot of Gen 5 as a whole for Alder not being memorable. Have to rechallenge the Elite 4 to fight him in BW and I don't remember if you fight him in B2W2 at all.

Diantha is okay, but she feels like a poor man's Cynthia in pretty much every regard. I would hope in Z at least that she puts up more of a fight. I swept her entire team just using two of my Pokemon.
 

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Alder is an optional fight in BW2's post-game, as he's not actually the champion by the time the game takes place.

He does however show up in the World Tournament. Both times, his teams are slightly different than his E4 champion battle.
 

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Am actually kind of tempted to ask you guys to join in on that. If I put as much effort into Smash as I do Retro Gaming I'd be ranking high on the leader-boards for my state (I'd also probably have more money). :laugh:



I blame the plot of Gen 5 as a whole for Alder not being memorable. Have to rechallenge the Elite 4 to fight him in BW and I don't remember if you fight him in B2W2 at all.

Diantha is okay, but she feels like a poor man's Cynthia in pretty much every regard. I would hope in Z at least that she puts up more of a fight. I swept her entire team just using two of my Pokemon.
Not even, I just don't like the guy, nor do I think his battle theme is memorable

Considering how the sister games are usually more difficult, it's safe to say Diantha will be given a boost
 

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Not like Fakku's even close to the best doujin si--

I MEAN WHAT

YES

NINTENDO THINGS.

Yes Nintendo, make the next Warioware game based around amiibos

So.
On... better notes.
OFF OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I'm gonna go, series-by-series, and basically run over the biggest current candidates in each series and kinda reflect on their hopes with Smash 5, in a similar vain to the great work ChronoBound did before the game released.
Namely... make sure to highlight any oversights you see. Characters as a whole, notable evidence for a character I missed, or if I'm just talking out my rear.

Day 1: :4mario:

With the double-feature inclusions of :4bowserjr: and :rosalina: in Smash 4, the Mario series as a whole had honestly gotten pretty much the biggest names for it on lock. The way I see it, there are currently three big avenues if there is to be expansion.

1) (Captain) Toad - The last major character of the main games, even if people may argue the major part. Toad has had a popularity since Melee when it comes to requests and seems to only be growing with each installment. The character identity, in my opinion, cements a specific character instead of some of the possible argument for it just being "a generic toad." There is nothing, inherently, that Captain couldn't be able to that any standard Toad could. With Treasure Tracker being one of Nintendo's more experimental projects of being a budget title and I feel that, if he continues being used as he has since inception within Galaxy, he will be a sizable contender for Smash 5.

2) Paper Mario - The RPGs are one of the best wellsprings for new content within the Mario name outside the mainline series. With that there are three "branches" with Mario's RPGs. Super Mario RPG which I find there to be a small miracle that we got so much as a Geno costume and I really can't find faith for Geno to appear in spite of his Brawl-era popularity. Mario & Luigi RPGs are the ones that Nintendo seem to push the most but... it lacks any big standing characters for it who AREN'T just Mario & Luigi that would be able to be brung up. Fawful was the biggest option but was killed off in the conclusion of Bowser's Inside Story. That of course, leaves the namesake of the very distinct incarnation of Mario who people clamor for a proper sequel. He's, of course, got a legitimate amount of power behind him in terms of requests which is only more in his favor.

3) Waluigi or Daisy - Mario's "multiplayer" spinoffs such as Party, Kart, and the various sports games are one thing that certainly could be a pool to get material from. All at hand being two thirds of :4peach:'s forward Smash, two stages, and a handful of items (all from Kart). Both of these characters, as well, have a noticable amount of support behind them to the point of which Waluigi's popularity and "how hard he tried' being poked at, with tongue-in-cheek humor with his Assist Trophy's reveal. Now, I am considerably biased for Waluigi, but him making his steps to have already become an Assist Trophy, having far larger visual distinctness from the others of the series, being a more "zany" character with some more bizarre traits, and a seemingly larger fanbase among smash fans. Daisy is very much a popular character and a present rival for Waluigi in this niche, but I feel that he wins out in this situation.

And... I can't help but acknowledge

4) Nabbit - A... bit of a curveball. A character that sprung up as a small mechanic in New Super Mario Bros. Wii U and has stuck around longer than most expected. While not making the jump into Mario Party, Kart, or a standard Sports game, he did manage to be a stage hazard for the Mushroom Kingdom U stage and become one of the added characters for the Mario & Sonic Olympic roster. He has a level of a fandom, but he just doesn't seem to have a level of real impact in the series to be too large of a dog in the race.

Overall, with the main series now reaching 6 characters.. there is certainly a chance that Mario as a series won't get a newcomer as they did in Brawl, but I have confidence that it will come as it is still THE series for Nintendo and has some bigger names left to expand in.
Well on your bit about someone possibly repping the Mario & Luigi series, an argument could be made for Baby Mario & Baby Luigi, since they appeared in PiT, and could use the Bros items system as a moveset. Although if it should happen is a different story.

Also guys, I can't believe no one made this joke, but Cloud really Clouded our judgement after his reveal.

You guys also know how we've been getting more costumes in Super Mario Maker, and the more we add, more of the Mario spin-offs are acknowledged. Well I'm getting the idea that when Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games 2016 is released we'll get a costume that is Sonic and Mario together.
 

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Well.

To do a "mega feature" since it's Saturday and my Chronobound-esque series reviews....

Day 2: Extended Marioverse - :4yoshi:, :4dk:, & :4wario2:

Part 1: :4yoshi:

As of late, Yoshi as a series has actually been seeing a rebirth. The pitiful Yoshi's New Island and Yoshi's Wooly World are, barring Yoshi Cookie and Tetris Attack, the... 5th and 6th titles for Yoshi as a series (Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Story, Yoshi Topsy-Turn, Yoshi's Island DS). However... Yoshi as a series faces a major issue. It is too heavily intertwined with Mario to really bring a lot of new options to the table. Barring using the Baby Bros. as they did in Partners In Time... which would moreso be a Mario character than a Yoshi character and one whose game of reference is growing less and less relevant and with the characters themselves having incredibly little request power, there is one option of any merit to note that's truly a Yoshi character.

Kamek - The more predominant villain for the series, even if some variant of Bowser is always the final boss. There's... three major factors in Kamek's way. The first being that he, as a whole, is an elite lackey and shows off what he does best in the Mushroom Kingdom U stage and likely would end up repeating similar roles.The second is that... there is surprisingly little shown for a moveset in spite of how often Kamek has been used in Yoshi and New Super Mario. Making enemies larger. Making Yoshis smaller. Flying on a Broom. Changing Platforms. And the same Playstation symbol spell we've seen from Magikoopas across the series. Not a lot inherently potent for a fighter, but that can very well be a moot point. What shoots Kamek in the foot most, though... is that he is just not a popular character.

The only other recurrent character in Yoshi who either debuted or is exclusive to Yoshi is... the stork. No matter how powerful Flying Men are I can't see this avian fighter being a thing. But I also just can't see Yoshi as a series getting a newcomer unless something drastic happens in the next 5 years.

Part 2: :4dk: - The most obvious post.

Donkey Kong is one of the most well selling and critically acclaimed series that Nintendo has... well, a sandwich of greatness between Rareware and Retro and with little said for the conga barrel games or the PAON titles. Nonetheless, DK is a series that there has been a LOT of outcry for newcomers... and a bit of a hierarchy of three major choices.

K. Rool - What more is there to say at this point? He's one of three major villains of Nintendo who have yet to be included on the Smash roster. He was one of the most feverishly campaigned characters for the Smash 4 DLC. He has a series of appearances with drastically different fights that give a lot of grounds for a moveset. Effectively, the only thing that he DOESN'T have going for himself currently is a recent appearance; last seen in 2008. Nonetheless, he has only missed 3 DK games as the lead antagonist and even has the official acknowledgement of being "DK's Bowser." With the amount of push that's been behind him.... I'd truly, TRULY be shocked if we didn't see him in both a new DK game and among the newcomers for Smash 5.

Dixie Kong - The third major protagonist for the series, but one with a noticable gap in popularity and usage to the main duo. She remains as one of the biggest requested Nintendo newcomers... around the top 10 level of things. Her recent usage in Tropical Freeze suggests that she is making her way to becoming a staple of the series again after not being playable in a platforming environment since Donkey Kong Land 3 but still sneaking herself in a handful of Mario Spinoffs and one of the handful of characters in the last DK games before Retro.

Cranky Kong - Largely overshadowed by the other two major character candidates, but would be the prime 5th choice if they had already gotten in. A fan favorite and one that Nintendo seems to have a soft spot for as well, given that they spent an entire day dedicated to having their Twitter be "hijacked" by Cranky himself. Using a kind of playstyle similar to Scrooge McDuck in Ducktales when made playable in Tropical Freeze, it is certainly a launching point for Cranky to become a much larger part of the series than a staple npc who berated you in ways we couldn't help but chuckle at.

With the non-K. Rool antagonists being one-and-done as it seems (Ghastly King, Tiki Tong, and Lord Frederik) and the other kongs (Chunky/Candy/Kiddy/Lanky/Chunky/Tiny) being... too minor of characters, I just can't see means for this series outside of those 3 main candidates. We'll just see if it pulls the Fire Emblem expansion method and goes from 2 characters in Brawl/Smash 4 up to 5 by the conclusion of Smash 5 because it certainly has done enough to merit some level of expansion to its amount of the roster.

Part 3: :4wario2: & :4wario: - Yes, they're two separate things.

See, Wario's in a bit of a weird situation when talking about expansion. There are two branches to address, Wario Land/World which are his action platformers with a mixing focus of puzzles and action at a high speed that made HIM A #3 REQUEST FOR MELEE BUT SO LITTLE OF THOSE GAMES ARE PART OF HIS SMASH IDENTITY... but moving on, the second is Warioware. The series that keeps getting pushed up which is a series of themed micro game challenges encompassed by little stories of the denizens of Wario's city.

Wario Land/World

Captain Syrup - The only major and recurrent character for this half of Wario's identity. A friendly rival with a softer side shown in Shake It!. A pirate queen with a surprisingly strong arsenal of technology at her disposal. An unlikely one due to general low popularity and requests alongside Smash just largely disregarding these games, but someone worth mentioning to show that some people DO care for the series if nothing else.

Warioware

Ashley - The primary choice if one were forced to bring someone from the series into fighting. A fan favorite and one that Nintendo appears to be pushing more as of late (Assist Trophy, Mii Costume, Halloween Art, and Mario Maker outfit). Her theme of a spell caster and potion maker where things frequently get twisted in usage as a Monkey's Paw kind of luck alongside having a familiar seems like a good basis to be able to run a bit more wild with creativity than the issues with Kamek.

Mona - The other poster girl for the series. Honestly, I don't really know what in terms of a moveset can be done with the fact that she is a slightly extraordinary Pizza Delivery Girl with a moped that out-speed police cars. She stands more on merit of popularity which I believe Ashley wins out of but that doesn't mean she is an impossibility or an illegitimate option; just one that I feel is overshadowed in the same vein as Waluigi vs Daisy.

The other characters for Warioware such as Little Cricket, Jimmy T, Kat & Ana, 9-Volt, etc... they just as a whole lack the kind of power to themselves that the other two candidates have for their series and I would argue less than Captain Syrup as well. Wario, as a conjoined series, is not THE one-character series that I see most likely for a new character but certainly one that I'd not be in any way surprised to see be gifted so with some decently requested characters with potency attached to them.

Edit: Starlight_Lily Starlight_Lily I actually acknowledge "Baby Bros." here.
 
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*Playing Badge Arcade*
*Kirby Badges*
"I'm gonna get me a jumping Dedede!"
*Picks up the Dedede*
*Dedede gets stuck on the Fire Lion's tail*
"OK I'll get my Practice Play and try again."
*Gets Free Play*
*Starts moving to knock Dedede and Fire Lion down to get Dedede back*
*DEDEDE IS STUCK TO THE CRANE ARM, LOST ALL COLLISION DETECTION AND WON'T GET OFF*
"WHAT"
"DEDEDE NO"
"THAT'S NOT SAFE"
"GET DOWN FROM THERE"
*Dedede is clinging onto the crane and the game thinks Dedede is in motion so it isn't proceeding*
"MR. BUNNY WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE CRANE"
*Stuck in the crane for about an hour*
*Dedede super-jumps off the crane, hits the Kirby Badge in the face and Kirby starts flying everywhere until he lands ontop of the Fire Lion who didn't move an inch*
*No Badges obtained*
"WHAT"
"WHAT THE ****"
 

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*Playing Badge Arcade*
*Kirby Badges*
"I'm gonna get me a jumping Dedede!"
*Picks up the Dedede*
*Dedede gets stuck on the Fire Lion's tail*
"OK I'll get my Practice Play and try again."
*Gets Free Play*
*Starts moving to knock Dedede and Fire Lion down to get Dedede back*
*DEDEDE IS STUCK TO THE CRANE ARM, LOST ALL COLLISION DETECTION AND WON'T GET OFF*
"WHAT"
"DEDEDE NO"
"THAT'S NOT SAFE"
"GET DOWN FROM THERE"
*Dedede is clinging onto the crane and the game thinks Dedede is in motion so it isn't proceeding*
"MR. BUNNY WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE CRANE"
*Stuck in the crane for about an hour*
*Dedede super-jumps off the crane, hits the Kirby Badge in the face and Kirby starts flying everywhere until he lands ontop of the Fire Lion who didn't move an inch*
*No Badges obtained*
"WHAT"
"WHAT THE ****"
That's why you don't trust the bunny.
 

Pheva

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Badge arcade is one of the most scummy and cruel things Nintendo has ever put out.






Why have I spent 10 dollars on it.
 
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