Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Burruni]

Honestly.
You wanna know my least favorite part of ?
She uses Wicked Weaves and her guns.
None of her other weapon types.

 

[NintenZ]

But seriously I think that they chose Ryu as a safe pick, you know, because of the files that were found?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

People keep saying that the casuals voted for Bayonetta.

I think the hard core fans are just a larger group than you think.

It's funny how people are saying she isn't niche now. That's some major backpeddling.

 

[Luigi The President]

Honestly.
You wanna know my least favorite part of ?
She uses Wicked Weaves and her guns.
None of her other weapon types.

She is clearly shown using the Chain Chomp in her trailer

 

[Z25]

But seriously I think that they chose Ryu as a safe pick, you know, because of the files that were found?

Uh... No

Ryu wasn't chosen because of files in the game. They already planned him regardless of what anyone else thought.

People keep saying that the casuals voted for Bayonetta.

I think the hard core fans are just a larger group than you think.

It's funny how people are saying she isn't niche now. That's some major backpeddling.

I'd say it's a 60-40 rato of which side contributed more. Also I already said from the start it's not that nich even if it sold badly.

 

[Burruni]

She is clearly shown using the Chain Chomp in her trailer

...The assist Trophy, Chain Chomp.
That's already in the game.
And used as a call back to the skinned weapon in Bayo 2?
Just like Cloud "casting Toad" on Prince of Sable?
Not part of the moveset.

 

[Luigi The President]

...The assist Trophy, Chain Chomp.
That's already in the game.
And used as a call back to the skinned weapon in Bayo 2?
Just like Cloud "casting Toad" on Prince of Sable?
Not part of the moveset.

My post was 100%+ a joke
I'm sorry but how did you not realize it

 

[NintenZ]

Uh... No

Ryu wasn't chosen because of files in the game. They already planned him regardless of what anyone else thought.

I'd say it's a 60-40 rato of which side contributed more. Also I already said from the start it's not that nich even if it sold badly.

I say it because the timing was just perfect. If they had said it was a coincidence then I would've excused it.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Playboy have a gaming journalism division, and sometimes actual Playboy models will interview game developers and PR. They advertise themselves as a general men's entertainment magazine now, not just for sex.

The interviews are completely normal though and the Playmates are actually well informed.

Also fun fact, one of the Playmates who covered Splatoon was the one who cosplayed Bayonetta for that Bayonetta 2 promotional shoot.

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/playboy-previews-splatoon-and-a-few-real-marketing-missteps

So your saying you do read it for the articles

Nah just messing with ya, but that is interesting to hear. How good was the Bayonetta cosplay?

 

[NintenZ]

Also, can I just say that I'm sick of Justin Beiber, I mean seriously, he SUCKS. (He's not sorry, never listen to that stupid song of his)

 

[Burruni]

My post was 100%+ a joke
I'm sorry but how did you not realize it

I'm sorry.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE
THAT MAKES ME NOT TAKE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING AS A JOKE

 

[Luigi The President]

I say it because the timing was just perfect. If they had said it was a coincidence then I would've excused it.

Literally what are you trying to say? Ryu was put in because of files? Why would the files be in in the first place if Ryu wasn't going to be in?

 

[NintenZ]

Literally what are you trying to say? Ryu was put in because of files? Why would the files be in in the first place if Ryu wasn't going to be in?

I don't understand what you're saying.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm sorry.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE
THAT MAKES ME NOT TAKE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING AS A JOKE

It's okay, I know the feel.

 

[Z25]

I say it because the timing was just perfect. If they had said it was a coincidence then I would've excused it.

Wait, I'm confused what do you mean?
The files weren't made up, they were legit and accidentally put there. Roy and Ryu were both planned, the files didn't change that.

So your saying you do read it for the articles

Nah just messing with ya, but that is interesting to hear. How good was the Bayonetta cosplay?

Here is the link to the shoot( nothing really bad or NSFW in it)
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/nintendo-and-playboy-team-up-to-promote-bayonetta-2

 

[Champ Gold]

You know, I wonder what there to even discuss?


Bayonetta and Corrin is in the game. One related to the ballot and one just for the sake of advertising a new game with a brand new moveset that Sakurai wanted to do.

What else is there to really bring up or speculate? Unless there's an extra slot discovered, what else would we say?


I just say "They're in and there's nothing we can do but wait and play these fighters."

Sakurai just chose these characters for his own reasons and popular reasons, Cloud for the demand of a FF character and Bayonetta as the ballot choice.

 

[NintenZ]

Wait, I'm confused what do you mean?
The files weren't made up, they were legit and accidentally put there. Roy and Ryu were both planned, the files didn't change that.

Here is the link to the shoot( nothing really bad or NSFW in it)
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/nintendo-and-playboy-team-up-to-promote-bayonetta-2

Forget it actually, just never mind.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Also, can I just say that I'm sick of Justin Beiber, I mean seriously, he SUCKS. (He's not sorry, never listen to that stupid song of his)

He's not relevant anymore, so if you really are that sick of the ****, don't mention him

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Still I understand that the casual audience is big and you need them to survive.

But the hard core is also pretty big. It's not this irrelevant group. I'm just tired of people underestimating the hardcore.

 

[NintenZ]

He's not relevant anymore, so if you really are that sick of the ****, don't mention him

He is though, he came back to my country after he was deported.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He is though, he came back to my country after he was deported.

shush dear Zilly...We just pretend he doesn't exist...

 

[Z25]

Still I understand that the casual audience is big and you need them to survive.

But the hard core is also pretty big. It's not this irrelevant group. I'm just tired of people underestimating the hardcore.

I actually mentioned this sometime in the past few days. What was Bayonneta's sales again? In the 500,000s right?

Let's say that half of those sales are the core audience( probably more) And let's say they all vote for her in the ballot. There you go a big increase right there. Probably higher, then the casual audience comes along and adds about half of that number as votes and then bam Bayonneta is highly requested and gets in! I feel like this also applied to TW101 as wonder red was popular and that game was also nich according to some. If that's the case, then if people said he did decently well, why wouldn't bayo have? They are both from the same company and both have a similar and big fanbase.

 

[Champ Gold]

Still I understand that the casual audience is big and you need them to survive.

But the hard core is also pretty big. It's not this irrelevant group. I'm just tired of people underestimating the hardcore.

I tired of people over analyzing these things.

The popular (and reasonable) character chosen was Bayonetta, Bayonetta is a popular character.

So what the issue? She's popular enough to get into the damn game, if she wasn't she would have been ignored. Look at the indie characters, they didn't have that popularity she did, what's left to question? If she's a controversial character that's one thing but she's a popular choice.

End of discussion

 

[NintenZ]

I tired of people over analyzing these things.

The popular (and reasonable) character chosen was Bayonetta, Bayonetta is a popular character.

So what the issue? She's popular enough to get into the damn game, if she wasn't she would have been ignored. Look at the indie characters, they didn't have that popularity she did, what's left to question? If she's a controversial character that's one thing but she's a popular choice.

End of discussion

Well... She is somewhat of a controversial figure... You know... Because of how sexualized she is...

 

[PushDustIn]

Corrin feels more like a case of "necessary evil" to me, the "evil' in this case being the amount of FE reps.

It feels they were dead set on adding a brand new character from a brand new game (meaning pre-established characters like Chibi or Paper Mario were out).

This already limits your choices to 3 other games: Codename STEAM, Splatoon and Xenoblade Chronicles X

Codename STEAM was a flop everywhere, and isn't very popular. While someone like Henry Fleming would have an unique moveset, adding him would've been an even bigger gamble than someone like Corrin.

Then you got Splatoon. Everyone loves the Inklings and they would've provided with an unique moveset, but here's the thing: Splatoon doesn't need the extra push right now. It's the fastest and best selling game on the Wii U, the Inklings are very likely here to stay and they are the safest bet for Smash 5.

And finally there's Xenoblade X, coming off the heels of one of the most critically acclaimed JRPGs in recent time, you'd think Ninty or Sakurai would jump on the chance of adding a brand new character. But they didn't, reason being that they likely thought Corrin would have a far more interesting moveset than someone like Elma (who still would've been very unique, but in this case: turning into a dragon>dual wielding).

Yeah that's basically what @DMurr was telling me when I was writing the article. It makes sense, but in that case was it really necessary to to have a brand new character from a brand new game? It just feels like Sakurai boxing himself in for no reason at all. @DMurr said it was probably because Sakurai wanted to represent a variety of ages/ groups (Which I almost stole and worked into the article ) but again -- it brings up the original question, was promoting a game a necessary box to fill? I know I'm beating a dead horse by repeating it...but this is the first decision from Sakurai I can't understand (I can understand why Corrin might've been chosen out of the possible "upcoming games reps" but not the idea that ultimately led to his inclusion). I really hope Sakurai discusses Corrin's inclusion in the future.

 

[Luigi The President]

So this is really early to talk about, but...

How do you think the 3rd parties will do in Smash 5?

As in, which 3rd parties do you think will stay, and will be cut? If any?

This includes Bayonetta, of course.

 

[Burruni]

Well... She is somewhat of a controversial figure... You know... Because of how sexualized she is...

And she got in the game while still appeasing her fans.
She's a power fantasy by a women for women and sexuality is a part of feminine power in her creator's eyes.
Her dialogue is so, her animations to a fair extent, but no in how she directly fights.
I was a detractor and to a degree still am.
But there's no point of say why she CAN'T be in WHEN SHE IS.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I tired of people over analyzing these things.

The popular (and reasonable) character chosen was Bayonetta, Bayonetta is a popular character.

So what the issue? She's popular enough to get into the damn game, if she wasn't she would have been ignored. Look at the indie characters, they didn't have that popularity she did, what's left to question? If she's a controversial character that's one thing but she's a popular choice.

End of discussion

The issue is 'SHE NO MAH FAV CARECHTUR'

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Wait, I'm confused what do you mean?
The files weren't made up, they were legit and accidentally put there. Roy and Ryu were both planned, the files didn't change that.

Here is the link to the shoot( nothing really bad or NSFW in it)
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/nintendo-and-playboy-team-up-to-promote-bayonetta-2

That Cosplay isn't to bad, although, my inner cosplay is screaming that the cloth doesn't look hairy enough, but I understand wearing fur, real or artifical, can be really itchy, so wearing fit for long periods of time or wearing it for a photoshot can be really annoying.

 

[NintenZ]

And she got in the game while still appeasing her fans.
She's a power fantasy by a women for women and sexuality is a part of feminine power in her creator's eyes.
Her dialogue is so, her animations to a fair extent, but no in how she directly fights.
I was a detractor and to a degree still am.
But there's no point of say why she CAN'T be in WHEN SHE IS.

I know, it's just so hard to believe that she's actually in the game...
I literally even considered Cloud more likelier than her, and that is saying a lot.

 

[Champ Gold]

Well... She is somewhat of a controversial figure... You know... Because of how sexualized she is...

Well she's in the game and that means jack as of now. And hell, she isn't as risqué as she is as in her game. She doesn't make innuendoes, her poses aren't as sexualized as people make them out to be and she just toned down to that level while still staying in character and in form.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Bayonetta doesn't suck lollipops in Smash 0/10 amiright? I'm glad she got toned down to the point she's still her

 

[NintenZ]

Well she's in the game and that means jack as of now. And hell, she isn't as risqué as she is as in her game. She doesn't make innuendoes, her poses aren't as sexualized as people make them out to be and she just toned down to that level while still staying in character and in form.

Actually let me just say something... I misread your post by a mistake. I thought that you had said that she was less controversial then the indies, when you really said something else, so my apologies.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

as a matter of interest to everyone here-
do you think Smash 4 has finally reached the end when it comes to DLC and patches? ....I mean, when it comes to the final update that includes Bayonetta and Corrin.
Just wanted some opinions. I'm not sure if I should wait to be surprised or call it quits entirely till Smash 5...if there even will be another...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So....

What vets do you want in Street Fighter V?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So....

What vets do you want in Street Fighter V?

Guile
Sagat

 

[Pokechu]

Swamp Sensei Dhalsim

Corrin feels more like a case of "necessary evil" to me, the "evil' in this case being the amount of FE reps.

It feels they were dead set on adding a brand new character from a brand new game (meaning pre-established characters like Chibi or Paper Mario were out).

This already limits your choices to 3 other games: Codename STEAM, Splatoon and Xenoblade Chronicles X

Codename STEAM was a flop everywhere, and isn't very popular. While someone like Henry Fleming would have an unique moveset, adding him would've been an even bigger gamble than someone like Corrin.

Then you got Splatoon. Everyone loves the Inklings and they would've provided with an unique moveset, but here's the thing: Splatoon doesn't need the extra push right now. It's the fastest and best selling game on the Wii U, the Inklings are very likely here to stay and they are the safest bet for Smash 5.

And finally there's Xenoblade X, coming off the heels of one of the most critically acclaimed JRPGs in recent time, you'd think Ninty or Sakurai would jump on the chance of adding a brand new character. But they didn't, reason being that they likely thought Corrin would have a far more interesting moveset than someone like Elma (who still would've been very unique, but in this case: turning into a dragon>dual wielding).

like

i get this

but what sets Corrin off of other Fire Emblem characters? He is the main character of the newest one, but FE doesn't need an extra push right now. It's not as if Corrin will be the only unique FE avatar ever. The next one might be able to fly or puke fire. Awakening was a massive success and it getting not one, but two characters in Smash will bode well for FE.

However, I don't see people buying a character they know next to nothing about. "They're unique" won't be enough, I think. They could add Goku the monkey and he could be unique. People probably wouldn't buy him as much as Ryu, Mewtwo, etc.

And why not add Inklings when Splatoon is hot? It'll probably never be as hot as it is now, and who knows? Splatoon 2 might be a failure and bomb. If that does happen, then Inklings chances went from "very likely" to "0".

Adding someone from Xenoblade X would be more beneficial to Xenoblade than adding someone from FE to FE. Xenoblade still isn't as known as FE, and it only has 3 games rather than FE's 14. It's still growing and needs the representation. FE is known worldwide now. While Elma wouldn't be as unique as Corrin, it'd be another female, represent other sides of Xenoblade, and also advertise the game. Because her game is already released, I feel people would be more likely to get her.

Corrin and FE:Fates release in February, so there's no prior knowledge for the character. Imagine if Lucas was never in Brawl, but was still a DLC character now. People wouldn't know anything about him, wouldn't be tempted to get him, and would probably not like his inclusion. Even if he's unique. That's what a lot of people feel about Corrin. With Roy in Melee, he came in the base game. Corrin is a character you have to pay for.

Also, don't quote me on this, but I think FE:Fates is getting mixed reception from people in Japan, so I'm not sure they wanted him much at all.

 

[NintenZ]

So....

What vets do you want in Street Fighter V?

****ing Sakura, like seriously why CAPCOM, just WHY?

 

[Chrono.]

So....

What vets do you want in Street Fighter V?

Akuma, but I won't miss him much since he's in Tekken 7.

I got Alex already.

That just leaves Sean and Sakura.

 

[Luigi The President]

So....

What vets do you want in Street Fighter V?

I'm hoping to see Ryu, and maybe a surprise appearance by Chun-Li, but sadly I doubt both.