Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Captain Shwampy]

Next year is gonna be massive

30th Anniversary
30th Anniversary
25th Anniversary
20th Anniversary
15th Anniversary


And oh yeah

Spoiler

Melee is gonna be 15 years old

Mysterious Murasame Castle 30th anniversary

E3 reboot confirmed

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Super Mario RPG is coming to the eshop eh?

Sounds good, looks like I'll having something to buy if I get money for Christmas

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Super Mario RPG is coming to the eshop eh?

Sounds good, looks like I'll having something to buy if I get money for Christmas

For which region?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

For which region?

Europe:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

No clue about other regions though.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, says 再始動 which translates to restart.


New TTGL anime?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Europe:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

No clue about other regions though.

First Europe vote for Bayonetta

Then they get Mario RPG

...

 

[Captain Shwampy]

oh god that gurren lagann thing is just a pachinko machine

godammit

i should of taken the konami trademark as a hint

konami taking my anime's too

 

[Curious Villager]

Super Mario RPG is coming to the eshop eh?

Sounds good, looks like I'll having something to buy if I get money for Christmas

Oh that's neat. I have Super Mario RPG on Wii virtual console but never got around to completing it. Guess I should give the game another go this christmas.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I've completed the game a lot of times. I guess the only real challenge left is somehow getting the super jump item.

I have never super jumped that many times

Charizard is also 5'7" according to official sources. Mewtwo is 6'7". Despite this, Charizard is usually depicted as being larger.

The height in Nintendo games is completely whack, even outside of Smash.

Blastoise is my height

 

[Strofirko]

Leaking info is okay as long if you are reporting it,yeah people are badly accostumed.

 

[Ivander]

Speaking of Mach Rider, I have an idea for a re-imagining of the character should they ever join Smash.
(Under the assumption the character actually is female)

Essentially it's taking the Mach Bike's ability to split into pieces and expanding upon it.
Mach Rider normally rides her futuristic motorbike armed with railguns for combat, but for on-foot battles, the bike splits apart and transforms - the bike parts becoming power armor, the railguns attaching to her shoulders, and the wheels becoming chakrams.

...It's basically gritty Tron, actually.

Spoiler

It would be cool to have Mach Rider since it would be a part of Nintendo's pre-game development history - Mach Rider started out as a toy.

I did have a similar thought on bringing Mach Rider back, but rather than the pieces breaking apart, the bike turned into a rather retro-like armor mech that Mach Rider still rides in, using the railguns attached to his arms for combat and the wheels for fast speed strafing and movement.

 

[Deleted member]

I can't believe people didn't like Kylo Ren
The complaints I hear about him are about his FLAWS
You know, because characters have those

So Nintendo blocked this video because of costume spoilers.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

GameXplain is going to reupload it.

Im with GameXplain on this, it's not illegal to report on things like this.

Technically, it is

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, says 再始動 which translates to restart.


New TTGL anime?

Omg omg
Hyp--

oh god that gurren lagann thing is just a pachinko machine

godammit

i should of taken the konami trademark as a hint

konami taking my anime's too

God****ingdamnit Konami!

 

[Deleted member]

Been waiting for Mario RPG. I beat it last year but idc, still a great game and gonna play it again.

 

[Opossum]

Technically, it is

No, there's nothing illegal about reporting on it. Nothing technical about it. Honestly it's Nintendo's fault for making it available in the first place.

 

[ChikoLad]

It's not illegal to report a leak but it's also not illegal for Nintendo to take action against the reporting of leaks on their content, and they are well within their rights even if they decided to go as far as to blacklist GameXplain. Not saying I want them to do that but they would be justified in doing so.

In that sense, Nintendo arbitrarily writes the law on leaks regarding their games.

It confuses me why people get uppity about this sort of thing when they should know it's dubious to report leaks in the first place, and when we have seen companies take action against leak reporting tons of times.

And really in GameXplain's case, they are only concerned with views that might come from the video, not reporting the news of the leak in this case.

 

[NintenZ]

Sorry, but am I really not clear about when I'm sarcastic? I've always thought I was pretty clear about it...

 

[~Skelly~]

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, says 再始動 which translates to restart.


New TTGL anime?

Oh please, oh please. I would love another Gurren Lagann anime.

*sees Konami brand*

 

[Champ Gold]

http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/12/21/413208/

Here's some stuff on the FFVII remake

• The game will have full voice overs, so characters that weren’t in Advent Children will need new voice actors. They haven’t been decided yet.
• The date event will be fully voiced, but due to changes in the social situation certain scenes have to be implemented carefully, like the Honey Bee Inn. Info on the overworld cannot be provided yet, but it won’t be an open world or sandbox game. Nomura-san is more interested in showing how characters affect the environment.
• Minigames that have left an impression with the fans will be included. The inclusion of the smaller ones will require consideration, as they all need to be developed with the latest tech.
• The game’s development is in the initial stages, they started developing the battle system.
• No information can be shared on whether the game will be out by 2017, but more information on that might come after the release of World of Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts II.8 HD in 2016.

Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member]

No, there's nothing illegal about reporting on it. Nothing technical about it. Honestly it's Nintendo's fault for making it available in the first place.

Leaking information is illegal
Reporting may be not but it's spreading what was supposed to be confidential information
Nintendo has all the right to take down any information on leaks from theor games
And also

Honestly it's Nintendo's fault for making it available in the first place.

Can we stop blaming the victim, please?

 

[NintenZ]

Am I the only one that's still in denial that DLC is over?

 

[Deleted member]

Am I the only one that's still in denial that DLC is over?

Nah, I would say some Wolf fans are in the same boat

http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/12/21/413208/

Here's some stuff on the FFVII remake



Thoughts?

"The date event will be fully voiced"
^The important stuff^
Still can't wait to see Aerith's date with the Masamune in HD

 

[PushDustIn]

It's not illegal to report a leak but it's also not illegal for Nintendo to take action against the reporting of leaks on their content, and they are well within their rights even if they decided to go as far as to blacklist GameXplain. Not saying I want them to do that but they would be justified in doing so.

In that sense, Nintendo arbitrarily writes the law on leaks regarding their games.

It confuses me why people get uppity about this sort of thing when they should know it's dubious to report leaks in the first place, and when we have seen companies take action against leak reporting tons of times.

And really in GameXplain's case, they are only concerned with views that might come from the video, not reporting the news of the leak in this case.

I think there needs to be some space between the gaming companies and gaming media. I understand that reporting on video games is a hobbyist media, and there's bound to be fanboyism and a close relationship between the companies and the organizations which report on their information. Most new outlets NEED that press relationship. However, companies cannot treat video game journalists as another arm of their marketing department.

They can't be upset when they don't fall in line with their PR message, and report on information that is leaked. If gaming journalism is going to be taken seriously, having an independent media is important. Otherwise, there's no point and gaming journalism might as well just air the companies' ads on repeat.

Nintendo can do it, and they might have a right to do it.

But is it ethical?

I don't think it is.

TotalBiscuit talks about it in this video (well worth the listen)

 

[Opossum]

Leaking information is illegal
Reporting may be not but it's spreading what was supposed to be confidential information
Nintendo has all the right to take down any information on leaks from theor games
And also

Can we stop blaming the victim, please?

Leaking information is illegal if under NDA or other such things, yes. But reporting and spreading the information is not illegal. GameXplain itself was never under an NDA or anything similar. My go-to point would be the whole Snowden situation from a few years ago. What he did was, objectively, illegal. However, The Guardian and the other outlets who showed his information to the public did nothing that's against the law.

Yes, Nintendo can take down the video (thanks to Youtube's policies and such), but legally GameXplain did nothing wrong.

And call it victim-blaming if you will, but I'd think by now a multi-billion dollar corporation could keep these sorts of things well-protected by now.

 

[NintenZ]

How ironic that FF VII Remake doesn't have a Japanese dub yet, yet Cloud is voiced in Japanese in Smash. Isn't that ironic?

 

[Opossum]

How ironic that FF VII Remake doesn't have a Japanese dub yet, yet Cloud is voiced in Japanese in Smash. Isn't that ironic?

No, not really.

The situations are completely unrelated, so there's no irony.

 

[NintenZ]

Sorry, but I have to ask, was Cloud's development rushed? I ask this because he only speaks in Japanese, has two songs on his stage, and only comes with two costumes. He probably wasn't but I have that vibe for some reason.

 

[Opossum]

Sorry, but I have to ask, was Cloud's development rushed? I ask this because he only speaks in Japanese, has two songs on his stage, and only comes with two costumes. He probably wasn't but I have that vibe for some reason.

It's likely a mix of there being less funds allocated to DLC (the dubbing issue) and Square-Enix's licensing issues (the music).


I don't see how the costumes are relevant at all though, especially when, in that department, Cloud got better treatment than some first-party characters, with two very distinct costume sets, plus the ribbon ones.

 

[Deleted member]

And call it victim-blaming if you will, but I'd think by now a multi-billion dollar corporation could keep these sorts of things well-protected by now.

They can and they do sometimes
But them not doing it doesn't excuse blaming them
It's like saying someone who got their personal belongings stolen should have expected it and have been more careful about it

 

[NintenZ]

It's likely a mix of there being less funds allocated to DLC (the dubbing issue) and Square-Enix's licensing issues (the music).


I don't see how the costumes are relevant at all though, especially when, in that department, Cloud got better treatment than some first-party characters, with two very distinct costume sets, plus the ribbon ones.

I felt the costumes mattered due to their direct relation to Cloud in the form of them being owned by Square. But as you said it's likely licensing issues, which would explain a lot of the oddities that Cloud has.

 

[Strofirko]

Today make 3 years since the world ended,yay!

 

[NintenZ]

Huh, I can't believe that there's another slot on the website.

 

[ChikoLad]

I think there needs to be some space between the gaming companies and gaming media. I understand that reporting on video games is a hobbyist media, and there's bound to be fanboyism and a close relationship between the companies and the organizations which report on their information. Most new outlets NEED that press relationship. However, companies cannot treat video game journalists as another arm of their marketing department.

They can't be upset when they don't fall in line with their PR message, and report on information that is leaked. If gaming journalism is going to be taken seriously, having an independent media is important. Otherwise, there's no point and gaming journalism might as well just air the companies' ads on repeat.

Nintendo can do it, and they might have a right to do it.

But is it ethical?

I don't think it is.

TotalBiscuit talks about it in this video (well worth the listen)

I have actually watched that TB video in the past and I agree with the notion that journalists should not be merely a marketing arm, which is why I tend to go for places like GX over IGN (granted, GX are a bit overly Nintendo focused but they at least will give criticism where it's due). However, that has very little to do with reporting leaks, and more that journalists shouldn't be forced to say positive things about a game just because they received review copies and what not.

Reporting leaked content however, has less to do with the big time publishers and more to do with the developers who create these games with their blood, sweat, and tears. You are spreading exposure to content that maybe they wanted to be a surprise part of the experience (like story spoilers for example. While you may deny that unlockables being spoiled means anything, story spoilers actually do ruin an integral part of the experience) or in a lot of instances, things that are still in development. Basically anything the developers didn't sanction to be shown off to the public, is not ready to be seen, no matter how complete it is.

To report on that content is nothing but selfish even if it's been leaked by someone else. This has nothing to do with marketing and is more a case of having a sense of mutual respect between developers and journalists. Developers should respect that their product may come under journalist criticism, and any attempts to sugar coat or distort journalists opinions can be refused and even put on blast. Journalists should respect that leaked content is content not ready for public criticism and evaluation, no matter how complete it looks, and reporting on it means the developers are well within their rights to take these reports down and potentially blacklist said journalist for their indiscretions.

I say this as someone who has an interest in both game developing and game journalism.

And call it victim-blaming if you will, but I'd think by now a multi-billion dollar corporation could keep these sorts of things well-protected by now.

That doesn't matter when people are always actively seeking to leak their content.

Like yeah, Nintendo certainly could do a better job at keeping things under wraps, as they do have some notably poor systems, but to blame them for this is just blind. No system they can have is perfect, the fact that people will always look to crack their systems and leak their content means it's probably gonna happen no matter what, and journalists hungry for hits will often report on it when it gets out.

Taking candy just because it's being held by a baby and not a big strong man, doesn't suddenly make it OK. Or vice versa.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

First Europe vote for Bayonetta

Then they get Mario RPG

...

Don't forget Xenoblade on Virtual Console.

 

[Frostwraith]

Finished Xenoblade's story. The ending was kind of mind-blowing.

I would start a new playthrough, but I'm not really feeling doing that.

Well, I don't have to worry about Xenoblade spoilers anymore.

 

[Chrono.]

Gurren Lagann was always co-produced by Konami.

But yeah there's a new Pachinko machine based on it incoming and the teaser could very well be about that.

 

[Frostwraith]

Konami does have an anime producing branch and helps in the production of some series.

Likewise for Bandai Namco, Sega and Sony.

 

[aldelaro5]

So Nintendo blocked this video because of costume spoilers.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

GameXplain is going to reupload it.

Im with GameXplain on this, it's not illegal to report on things like this.

inb4 they actually block this one:

lol

(btw, yes I am the same aldelaro5 ).

 

[Frostwraith]

That Gurren Lagann thing is very likely a pachinko machine, judging by the website being "gurren-lagann-ps.jp".

As one comment on ANN pointed out, the "ps" suffix on the website could stand for "pachislot".

Konami: turning popular media franchises into pachinko machines since 2015.

 

[Chrono.]

So, you guys think Nintendo will another sale soon for Christmas?

 

[Khoru]

okay actually on the gurren lagann thing
it's kinda disappointing and, well, konami
but it's also defictionalization