Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Strofirko]

A good game for VR,finally.

 

[AreJay25]

Why is Destiny still a thing

 

[Deleted member]

Man, writing these Nuzlocke updates is quite fun
If I had any drawing skills I would have made a comic a long time ago
Still ashamed none of you tried to decipher the codes on the last update, I thought people liked Gravity Falls!

On a scale from VGA to 10, how's that Sony stream going?

 

[Chrono.]

That racing game actually looked nice but it's just Destiny.

 

[ChikoLad]

Man, writing these Nuzlocke updates is quite fun
If I had any drawing skills I would have made a comic a long time ago
Still ashamed none of you tried to decipher the codes on the last update, I thought people liked Gravity Falls!

On a scale from VGA to 10, how's that Sony stream going?

>Implying VGA was bad this year

PSX started really well, it's mostly just been coasting through since.

 

[Strofirko]

Why is Destiny still a thing

Because they still trying to deliver the thing they promised years ago.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Man, writing these Nuzlocke updates is quite fun
If I had any drawing skills I would have made a comic a long time ago
Still ashamed none of you tried to decipher the codes on the last update, I thought people liked Gravity Falls!

On a scale from VGA to 10, how's that Sony stream going?

First few minutes of FF7 and Street Fighter was a 9

Now with all this VR BS and minor titles I would say about a .5

 

[FalKoopa]

So, a gigantic storm has been raging in Sweden for two days. So far, our greenhouse is very damaged (multiple windows blown out or just broken), our 'wind shelter' (sorta a buncha wooden walls made to protect against the wind on nice summer days when you sit outside) have been destroyed and some literally flown away. Lost power for many hours each day, at many different times. TV antenna is destroyed, so, no TV for some time. It is even cold. -w-

And to make it all worse, trees have fallen over the road allover the place here, so there is lots of noise from people sawing them to get them out of the way.

Ugh. It has not been the best few days, and the damn storm won't give up until Monday.

Darn, sorry to hear to hear that. Stay safe.

This FANG guy looks like a hilarious take on Chinese stereotypes to me.

 

[Burb]

I'd didn't say they "were a given".

I said they are pretty safe bets.

Stop projecting things I didn't say onto my posts. That's the second time you've done that here.

Once again, the truth isn't a flimsy argument. Xenoblade was hardly a top seller before Smash, and still isn't. So why can't STEAM get in?

I'm saying they're not safe bets. There is nothing safe about betting that a character from a game that failed will still be relevant enough to get a spot in Smash a generation away.

It's exactly what I was saying in the post that spurred this conversation; when making prediction lists for Smash 5 newcomers, everyone looks at it as if the game's going to be out in a year. Nobody factors in what games will leave a lasting legacy, and which ones will be forgotten. What's popular now isn't necessarily going to be popular in the future.

The problem with a Codename STEAM character is that it's never been popular. The game flopped and none of its characters are in demand for Smash. A STEAM character pretty much embodies what I was talking about in that post.

It's getting really tiresome seeing people say "SHULK MADE IT SO <insert no-name character here that have pretty much no support> CAN TOO!". Just because Xenoblade is virtually unknown in the states doesn't mean Shulk's presence opens the door for every Z-list Nintendo star. The game was successful elsewhere, and Shulk has been in high demand for the entirety of Smash 4's pre-release. No Codename STEAM character has ever gotten noteworthy fan support. If there's no fan demand, the game flopped, and there's little chance of a follow-up, the chance of it getting a playable character in SSB5 is virtually non-existent.

 

[Opossum]

Just putting it out there, didn't Earthbound absolutely bomb when it was first released in the US? Fairly certain it did.

 

[Solfiner]

>Implying VGA was bad this year

PSX started really well, it's mostly just been coasting through since.

It sold 0.9 million copies, that's not a flop considering how it is a niche JRPG.

 

[Schnee117]

Ni No Kuni 2!!!!!

 

[Pazzo.]

Just putting it out there, didn't Earthbound absolutely bomb when it was first released in the US? Fairly certain it did.

It did.

Thankfully, it has a cult following that keeps it relevant.

 

[Deleted member]

I think it very much did.

Didn't hear a word of it before Smash. And GameStop meddling really **** on it's potential to sell.

Xenoblade sold around 800,000 units in its initial release. I wouldn't consider that a bomb.

 

[Pazzo.]

Hey hey, more Ni No Kuni!

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I own Ni No Kuni.

Bought it cheap the year it came out.

Never got around to playing it.

 

[apparently fuz]

I am beyond obsessed with OPM's opening theme. Hell, I think it may even rival Naruto in terms of sheer awesomeness.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Glad to see Fang has been revealed for SF5. I guess I can now officially finish major SF5 speculation.

I don't see anyone from Codename STEAM being a safe bet for SSB5.
The game had merely decent reviews and it sold awfully.

I feel its future is questionable at best.

Another good game to come from crowdfunding is Freedom Planet. Sure the story cutscenes are as poorly paced as a Metal Gear game but it's still the best Sonic game in years.

Spoiler: Nope

Final Fantasy 7 remake looked really really really slick.

Cloud's a little too scrawny looking though.

I feel the same way.

I don't think any of those are a given except Inklings.

Codename STEAM is on the same boat as Wonderful 101. Both were flops, both are unlikely to have follow-ups, and both will likely be forgotten entirely by the time Smash 5 rolls around.

Codename STEAM also was less well-received among people who played it than the Wonderful 101 was among people who played it. It doesn't help that even concerning fan-polls for Smash, I never have seen a Codename STEAM character rank decently in any single one at any point unlike Wonder Red.

If any IS-developed franchise is likely to get a sequel despite its last/only game selling poorly, it would be Advance Wars, due to this.

 

[Strofirko]

MOBA game yay

 

[AreJay25]

r.i.p crash bandicoot

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm saying they're not safe bets. There is nothing safe about betting that a character from a game that failed will still be relevant enough to get a spot in Smash a generation away.

Your argument fell apart as soon as you used the bolded.

 

[Chrono.]

Sony really needs to work on their closings.

Last conf ended with David Cage, this time it was a MOBA that looked every MOBA ever.

 

[Strofirko]

Cloud is in smash 4.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

How hilarious would it be if Crash Bandicoot was the final 3rd party?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Wtf happened with Fang man.

Capcom plz.

 

[Strofirko]

How hilarious would it be if Crash Bandicoot was the final 3rd party?

The sad kinda of hilarious,really.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Wtf happened with Fang man.

Capcom plz.

He is skinny, campy and eccentric.

 

[Deleted member]

r.i.p crash bandicoot

Looks like the guy with the Crash shirt was merely a fan after all.

Anyway, I missed the Ni No Kuni II announcement trailer.

 

[Champ Gold]

So the only interesting thing that came out of this was Fang in SFV, FF7 Remake confirmed for Action styled and Ace Combat 7.



2/3 of those games I can probably get on Xbox.

I'll probably pick up Bastion

 

[ChikoLad]

It sold 0.9 million copies, that's not a flop considering how it is a niche JRPG.

Considering the scope of the game, I'd say that's not very good.

What determines whether or not a game is successful or a flop is how it does relative to it's cost of development. There isn't a single, all encompassing scale.

Regardless, sales don't mean anything for characters showing up in a fresh Smash, and that was my point to begin with.

 

[Burb]

Codename STEAM also was less well-received among people who played it than the Wonderful 101 was among people who played it. It doesn't help that even concerning fan-polls for Smash, I never have seen a Codename STEAM character rank decently in any single one at any point unlike Wonder Red.

That's what I was referring to when I said that none of the characters seem to be in demand.

I've seen some names thrown around, but on the actual polls, none of them ever perform well.

I think it very much did.

Didn't hear a word of it before Smash. And GameStop meddling really **** on it's potential to sell.

In the states.

It did well in Japan. As far as I know, Codename STEAM and W101 bombed everywhere.

Considering the scope of the game, I'd say that's not very good.

What determines whether or not a game is successful or a flop is how it does relative to it's cost of development. There isn't a single, all encompassing scale.

Regardless, sales don't mean anything for characters showing up in a fresh Smash, and that was my point to begin with.

There's a multitude of factors.

The game flopped, it has no future as a franchise, it hasn't even been out for a year yet and it's already all-but-forgotten (and thus has no potential whatsoever to leave behind a legacy).

There is nothing going for it.

 

[Deleted member]

How hilarious would it be if Crash Bandicoot was the final 3rd party?

First Snake in Brawl, then Cloud and now Crash. Sakurai would make the best version of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale if Crash is added.

 

[A Distant Demon]

No Crash game?
Called it.

If you're going to announce a big game like that there would be no hints. Just drop it on people. Of course we never will get Crash so. . .

I should have stopped watching after SF5. That, Ratchet, and of course FF7 were all I liked.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Wait, THAT'S BALROG IN THE HOOD?!?!?!?

Wow, ok then

 

[N3ON]

Xenoblade did okay. I doubt it did 800k despite what places like VGChartz may say, but it was pirated a whole lot, and still must've done well enough that Nintendo bothered with the N3DS port and hinging XCX on its brand name.

Though the latter two have both underperformed to my knowledge, so I'd be curious to see if the series still continues.

 

[ChikoLad]

That's what I was referring to when I said that none of the characters seem to be in demand.

I've seen some names thrown around, but on the actual polls, none of them ever perform well.



In the states.

It did well in Japan. As far as I know, Codename STEAM and W101 bombed everywhere.

And I've said from the beginning that it doesn't matter at all for a fresh Smash game.

For DLC? STEAM is out of the question, more or less.

For a new game? It's just as possible as Inklings. It's a new IP, it offers new material for Sakurai or whoever to work with. Sakurai has gone on record saying that THE most important "criteria" for Smash characters is "do they offer something new?". STEAM introduces a whole new universe to Smash.

 

[Dravidian]

So the only interesting thing that came out of this was Fang in SFV, FF7 Remake confirmed for Action styled and Ace Combat 7.

Well for you anyway.

I have an interest in Yakuza 0, Ni no Kuni 2 and Ni-oh as well.

....and there's probably someone out there that enjoyed the VR stuff. The poor soul...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

No Crash game?
Called it.

If you're going to announce a big game like that there would be no hints. Just drop it on people. Of course we never will get Crash so. . .

I should have stopped watching after SF5. That, Ratchet, and of course FF7 were all I liked.

At least I will have my memories of the good times I've had with Crash 3 when I was a kid.

 

[Chrono.]

FFVIIR trailer in not-potato stream quality

 

[Opossum]

That's what I was referring to when I said that none of the characters seem to be in demand.

I've seen some names thrown around, but on the actual polls, none of them ever perform well.



In the states.

It did well in Japan. As far as I know, Codename STEAM and W101 bombed everywhere.

The US/Europe is honestly where it matters as far as game sales considering those countries account for a much bigger percentage of the market than Japan. Earthbound absolutely bombed in America and Xenoblade sales were lackluster due to the distribution methods.

But the kicker is that sales absolutely don't matter. If it's a fresh Smash, people are gonna buy the game anyway. If a character shows potential that no one else can, their odds are even better. The only time I even remember Sakurai mentioning sales is when he said Duck Hunt was the best selling shooter game, but even that was attributed more to history than economics.