Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Guybrush20X6]

On a vaguely Brawl related topic, why were all the tether recoveries as special moves removed (Bar Zamus's side B)?

Were they considered OP, UP or just plain weird?

 

[Opossum]

On a vaguely Brawl related topic, why were all the tether recoveries as special moves removed (Bar Zamus's side B)?

Were they considered OP, UP or just plain weird?

Over all they were a bit underpowered, but all of them have other reasons as well.

Ivysaur and Ice Climbers are kind of obvious.
With Olimar, being reduced to three Pikmin made Pikmin Chain even more useless, so Winged Pikmin made sense.
With Zero Suit Samus, it could be argued that the jetboots fit her playstyle more than a second whip special.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

If we're talking about ROM hacks, then this one is my favorite hands down
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=322879
It's a Firered Romhack, and I had to use save states a lot to beat it.

Didn't mean I loved every second of it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Zero Suit Samus jetboots

I'd genuinely wear those if they weren't so tacky. Greenish-yellow? What were they thinking?!

 

[Chandeelure]

Nana is behind Popo and she still looks much bigger, wat.

 

[NintenZ]

@DarkMakoPS1, this town ain't big enough for the two of us mate!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nana is behind Popo and she still looks much bigger, wat.

women get into puberty earlier than men, so Nana got her growth spurt

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There is so many unfinished ideas in Spore

Like, each era has depth to them you can see, but you don't really NEED it.

I'm in the industrial era and you can make allies, trade, etc.

But you don't really NEED to...

Although, I AM playing on normal, I wonder if you need the more depth in hard.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There is so many in Spore

*Heil Grammatik intensifies*

 

[ChikoLad]

>watching BSC play Sonic Adventure 2
>they start talking about Rodea: The Sky Soldier
>mfw

That was a nice surprise. Really hope the game gets more and more exposure.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

*Heil Grammatik intensifies*

*Their is so many

 

[NintenZ]

>watching BSC play Sonic Adventure 2
>they start talking about Rodea: The Sky Soldier
>mfw

That was a nice surprise. Really hope the game gets more and more exposure.

I heard that the Wii U version got really bad reviews...
The Wii version got mostly positive reviews...
3DS I haven't heard anything about...

 

[TheAnvil]

Myself and Spazzy_D reviewed TMNT Smash Up for Sourcegaming. Check it out fellas and lady fellas.

http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/11/29/smashing-reviews-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-smash-up/

 

[Naoshi]

IIRC, Yuji Naka only did the Wii version. They held it back from releasing until they made the Wii U version which Naka was not involved in.

Reallllly silly decision.

 

[ChikoLad]

I heard that the Wii U version got really bad reviews...
The Wii version got mostly positive reviews...
3DS I haven't heard anything about...

The Wii U version is just a port of the 3DS version. Though it's worse than the Wii U version as it performs even worse (and the Wii U version does not perform very well to begin with).

In my honest opinion, the Wii U version is not the worst thing ever. I absolutely hated it at first, but I did get used to the controls and figure out some tricks, and it actually does a few minor things better than the Wii version, to be perfectly honest. However, it still has worse graphics than the Wii version, a much worse framerate, and the controls definitely aren't as intuitive. And although the stage design is mostly the same at it's most basic core, for some reason, the stages are scaled up to be two or three times larger than the Wii version. As in, they literally just made things really huge for no reason. Keeping in mind these levels are pretty huge to begin with, and that Rodea flies slower in the Wii U version until upgraded, it takes way longer to get around - and the most annoying thing, is you have fuel in the Wii U version, which quite honestly, made me want to just walk and jump most of the time when exploring as it felt safer. However, I did find some tricks to play the Wii U version better that helped me to enjoy it more, but I am arguably breaking the game by doing so. There are more design decisions that are really not that great to me too, and I actually did run into two blatant glitches, one of which cost me a life.

The Wii version however, is rock solid and is probably my favourite game released in 2015 (feels weird to say that since it's a Wii game). The controls are intuitive and flow much better, the game doesn't have an upgrade system and instead has a Mario style health system, where power-ups are your health. It has fun 2D bonus rooms that hide some of the collectibles (which were omitted from the Wii U version), and you have no fuel - as long as it's within targeting range, you can fly to it. And I pretty much fly everywhere because of that, I barely walk on foot.

I won't ramble on anymore here, there is a lot more I could say about the two versions and how they differ especially. I do have a thread here, so if anyone wants to have some dedicated discussion on the game, feel free to stop on by!

http://smashboards.com/threads/yuji...cessor-to-nights-with-a-dash-of-sonic.423480/

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Ice Climber leaks no matter how fake they are make me cry.

Only veteran I give a damn if they come back at this point. At least when it comes to playstyle.

I guess Wolf can come back since he's sort of important to Star Fox.

But I weep everytime I see Popo and Nana now.

Think of your favorite drunk alien, leakers. Think of him.

 

[AreJay25]

Where the **** is AreJay25 btw? I want to see someone angrily make a sandwich?

Had a relative stay over for the weekend, kept me mostly busy. I'm back, though!

 

[NintenZ]

Ice Climbers "leak" from 4chan:

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/318300864/sorry-i-couldnt-resist-but-to-show-everyone

WAITAMINUTE! How the Hell did I miss this, lol. It looks awful, those are clearly their Brawl models, Nana is bigger than Popo, and the font is just off. This is literally one of the worst "Leaks" I've seen in forever, and that's saying alot after just seeing this...

I mean at least put in effort for God's sake.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Myself and Spazzy_D reviewed TMNT Smash Up for Sourcegaming. Check it out fellas and lady fellas.

http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/11/29/smashing-reviews-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-smash-up/

Totally the second best Ninja Turtle's fighting game I've ever played, by the way.

 

[finalark]

That's not skill though. That's strategy.

The dictionary definition of skill:

noun
1.
the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well:
Carpentry was one of his many skills.

Dexterity, reactions and quick thinking have nothing to do with it. Planing and working out a strategy is as much skill as being able to execute complex inputs in a fighting game.

 

[Shroob]

Yep, that last Dr.Who episode was amazing.

Capaldi is amazing.

 

[TheAnvil]

Totally the second best Ninja Turtle's fighting game I've ever played, by the way.

There have been a whole bunch of awesome Turtles games actually. Turtles in Time, the first Turtles Arcade game, Smash Up, the Gamecube/Xbox trilogy (based on the 03 show), I could go on forever baby.

 

[NintenZ]

Sorry if this is off-topic...

But would someone just post in my social thread?

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-owner-of-a-very-peculiar-notebook-maxwell-for-smash.422085/

Just anyone? (Of course you'd have to have played Scribblenauts to understand the material, but still, if you have, or even if you haven't, posting would be welcomed)

 

[Champ Gold]

From watching football and playing on my Xbox One, I've been pretty quiet for a while.


Anything I missed?

Totally the second best Ninja Turtle's fighting game I've ever played, by the way.

You're talking about Tournament Fighters? That was pretty fun

 

[NintenZ]

Anything I missed?

Well there's me desperately wanting more people to post on my Scribblenauts social thread...

So that's a thing I guess...

 

[Wario Bros.]

@PushDustIn Something I've been wanting to know about a certain Smash history for a while: Once people were ripping the OST of Brawl, there were these things called "SSBB The Lost Tracks". Like they sound like, it's supposedly just scrapped yet finished songs (can be found on YouTube). While it got a lot of attention when they came out, most big name Smash sites now ignore its existence or just called them unplayable data files, thus makes me question the legitimacy of them. What can you say about it? Here are the songs they contain:

• Boss Battle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
  
• Beware the Forest's Mushrooms (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
• Ballad of the Wind Fish (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening)
• Yoshi's Cookie Type A
• The Loner, Falco Lombardi (Star Fox Command)
• Move Out! (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
• The Chosen Ones (Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragons and the Blade of Light)
• Hippie Battle Theme (Mother)
• Eight Melodies (Mother)
• Smiles and Tears (EarthBound)
• Radio Exercises (Animal Crossing: Wild World)
• NES Sports Medley
• Stunt Race FX
• Metal Gear Solid Series Main Theme
• Metal Gear Solid Series Main Theme Remix
• You Can Do Anything (Sonic the Hedgehog CD (JP))

 

[NintenZ]

• You Can Do Anything (Sonic the Hedgehog CD (JP))

A thousand times yes!
(It's a wonder why it isn't in the game already)

 

[Oblivion129]

Do you guys think I should wait around 1 and a half years for the FF7 remake or just play it now? I want to play it but maybe playing it for the first time in the HD remake would be better?

 

[ChikoLad]

The dictionary definition of skill:

noun
1.
the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well:
Carpentry was one of his many skills.

Dexterity, reactions and quick thinking have nothing to do with it. Planing and working out a strategy is as much skill as being able to execute complex inputs in a fighting game.

That's not the same definition I'm finding.

In general, skill is meant to mean anything involving dexterity, or a talent that is built up (e.g. learning to draw or write).

Even thinking colloquially, do you ever hear people say "yo, you got mad skills for winning that last turn in that chess game"? No, you don't, because chess is not a game of skill, it's a game of strategy. Anyone can play chess, they just have to understand the rules and strategise based on those rules. It's the same with turn based RPGs. They are the easiest games to play - you just click through menus and walk around the overworld with basic movement - but they often have a lot of rules you have to read up on and you strategise around those rules.

Skills are recognised as such because they aren't something anyone is capable of. Not everyone can run real fast, not everyone can lift something super heavy, not everyone can input flashy combos in fighting games. This is because we all have different bodies, so we can't all be capable of the same physical feats, no matter how much we practice. A crippled man can't walk no matter how hard he tries. Similarly, you could understand all of the best art techniques and know what you need to make the most beautiful art piece, but that doesn't make you an artist - steady hands do.

Planning and working out a strategy is not a skill, because it only requires one thing, and we all have it - a brain. You may need a skill to CARRY OUT strategies, but not to formulate them, and formulating strategies is not a skill itself since anyone can do it. And your proficiency in formulating a strategy is only defined by the knowledge you have of the presented problem, which is again, something anyone can acquire theoretically (i.e. everyone has the power to attain new knowledge, it's just a matter of whether or not it's available to you, and how developed your brain is might effect how long it takes for you to understand it).

Back to the initial point though, there is no need to try and big turn based RPGs up as "requiring skill", because by dictionary definition, they don't. It's not a bad thing either that they don't - they are like chess in that they are games that are about thinking, and that's fine.

 

[Kenith]

Do you guys think I should wait around 1 and a half years for the FF7 remake or just play it now? I want to play it but maybe playing it for the first time in the HD remake would be better?

I'd recommend getting the original you'll be able to see all the things the HD remix makes even better!

 

[Champ Gold]

@PushDustIn Something I've been wanting to know about a certain Smash history for a while: Once people were ripping the OST of Brawl, there were these things called "SSBB The Lost Tracks". Like they sound like, it's supposedly just scrapped yet finished songs (can be found on YouTube). While it got a lot of attention when they came out, most big name Smash sites now ignore its existence or just called them unplayable data files, thus makes me question the legitimacy of them. What can you say about it? Here are the songs they contain:

• Boss Battle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
  
• Beware the Forest's Mushrooms (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
• Ballad of the Wind Fish (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening)
• Yoshi's Cookie Type A
• The Loner, Falco Lombardi (Star Fox Command)
• Move Out! (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
• The Chosen Ones (Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragons and the Blade of Light)
• Hippie Battle Theme (Mother)
• Eight Melodies (Mother)
• Smiles and Tears (EarthBound)
• Radio Exercises (Animal Crossing: Wild World)
• NES Sports Medley
• Stunt Race FX
• Metal Gear Solid Series Main Theme
• Metal Gear Solid Series Main Theme Remix
• You Can Do Anything (Sonic the Hedgehog CD (JP))

I think most of them were kinda fate. And mostly SMRPG music being there.

I think Push covered that a while ago

 

[Chrono.]

Do you guys think I should wait around 1 and a half years for the FF7 remake or just play it now? I want to play it but maybe playing it for the first time in the HD remake would be better?

You should just experience the original.

Not to mention the remake is probably not seeing the light of day till 2018.

 

[Champ Gold]

You should just experience the original.

Not to mention the remake is probably not seeing the light of day till 2018.

And funny thing about that, I expect it to come out sooner than The Last Guardian and Scalebound

 

[Z25]

There was no beware the forest's mushrooms track in brawl. It was toad forest for mario party or one of the mario spinoffs. so tat one is made up.

 

[Icedragonadam]

There are smash fans who think the broadcast will coincide with the game awards. Wait that's unsurprising.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Ted's a **** from Boston who has unpopular opinions and can come off as whiny very easily 'Can I do Banjo Tooie' We need to do Kazooie first 'Can't we skip it? I hate the first game'
Need a TV Tropes page?

You think so? Ted usually my favorite member of the brainscratch crew. probably do the fact that we have the same opinion on earthbound,Pokemon. And a few others.I don't think his review was bad but not great either.the mystery dungeon never interested me though

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Ice Climbers "leak" from 4chan:

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/318300864/sorry-i-couldnt-resist-but-to-show-everyone

Oh Ice Climbers......
It's been a year since you were out of a job.
It would be so amazing if you came back this Christmas.
I mean it would be an extremely shock reveal after everything that's happened, and it would be a great present this holiday season.
Ice Climber for Christmas Smash Direct. We need a Snow level in Smash.

 

[Oblivion129]

I'd recommend getting the original you'll be able to see all the things the HD remix makes even better!

You should just experience the original.

Not to mention the remake is probably not seeing the light of day till 2018.

Thanks for the advice, guys!

There are smash fans who think the broadcast will coincide with the game awards. Wait that's unsurprising.

When is that?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Smash Brothers DLC is on a whole other level.

Sakurai should be so proud of himself.

Three wanted veterans returned. Two gaming icons.

And more to come.

Actual Gaming Legend Sakurai.

 

[Radical Bones]

I hope we at least get Nana and Popo Mii Fighter outfits.

I miss my favourite duo.

#mainless