Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[IsmaR]

It's more being a contrarian than it is being a pessimist.

Any sentence that starts with "You guys all..." is usually accompanied by either a differing opinion for the sake of going against the flow, or not wanting to seem like the odd man out for having the unpopular opinion.

On an unrelated note, optimism is disgusting and should be snuffed out immediately, any given chance.

 

[Jaedrik]

The only thing that turned me off from Dream Team is how it built on the previous games. That's odd to say, but I don't mean in a mechanical sense. I have the original, Superstar Saga (9/10 imo), and skipped a bunch of games (mostly because I didn't have the requisite platform), and then I get greeted with this floating orb and backstory I'm expected to know. It didn't really invest me in the story beyond the obvious plot.

bewbs~ A running gag here is me being flat
I'd actually like to see a fanfiction with us lol, we need something while waiting for the dating sim

Hmm...I most things that appeal to the male demograph...But I have a slight feminine side...**** it, I'm not feminine enough. Make me a basic ***** lol

Right~
How would you feel about being represented by one of the Anna sisters? I'd try to make you 'basic,' though I'm not sure exactly what that entails.
Also, how do you feel about Marth? Like, any and all thoughts and feelings about any part of him. He's the focus in the fic I'm writing.

 

[ChikoLad]

I honestly recommend you get spm if it ever comes out on VC, this is sadly a very underrated game

You misread my post I think. ^^;

I meant that Super Paper Mario is the only Paper Mario I have played to completion (I even did at least 1 of the Pits of 100 Trials). And I agree, it's highly underrated, both as a Paper Mario game and as a Wii game. It's superb and I recommend it to anyone who likes Mario or action RPGs.

What I find interesting is that Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy came out in the same year. Both of these games are what made me more interested in Mario (I had played some games before and liked them but wasn't that deep into it), due to their awesome stories and interesting utilisation of characters (Rosalina and the Lumas in Galaxy, as well as a bit of Luigi and Captain Toad. And pretty much all of the original SPM characters were a good time, and even Peach got some good characterisation here, which is a rarity for her)...however, the Mario games didn't really carry those traits on beyond that. :V

Not that I need it to enjoy Mario games, but I think Paper Mario at least, shouldn't ditch good characterisation.

So, my brother kind of forced me into buying Tekken for Wii U
I don't know which one is it but I think there is only one on the Wii U anyways
I hope I don't regret it
And I also bought the BW Pokemon Adventures manga
I don't know if the localization in here changed something but how many volumes are there of it?(not counting the BW2 manga)

Unless you want to play online, you got the best version of Tekken Tag Tournament 2.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It was not obvious since it's reveal, as the reveal only showed a smidgen of 1 world. Excuse me for expecting a crossover to be a crossover.

No. It really was. We saw the battle system. We saw the world.

It was incredibly obvious.

othing is new. Making a Goomba paper isn't new, it's just slightly altering an established trait. This game is NSMB: the RPG. AGAIN.
Same level progression (grass to desert to ice to jungle etc.), same generic enemies, baffling character choices (Case and point, Nabbit over Popple in a MARIO RPG CROSSOVER), same generic Bowser kidnaps peach plot... If I wanted to play NSMB, I'd go ****ing play New Super Mario Bros. If you're going to crossover these two series and do NOTHING with them, why even bother? The RPGs were a nice break from the simple Mario elements, and instead get treated to unique settings and characters that only an RPG could get away with exploring.

I'm sorry, but this game makes me livid.

Holy **** man. Calm down.

We don't even know the plot or all of the settings. You're judging this game way too early.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The only thing that turned me off from Dream Team is how it built on the previous games. That's odd to say, but I don't mean in a mechanical sense. I have the original, Superstar Saga (9/10 imo), and skipped a bunch of games (mostly because I didn't have the requisite platform), and then I get greeted with this floating orb and backstory I'm expected to know. It didn't really invest me in the story beyond the obvious plot.
Right~
How would you feel about being represented by one of the Anna sisters? I'd try to make you 'basic,' though I'm not sure exactly what that entails.
Also, how do you feel about Marth? Like, any and all thoughts and feelings about any part of him. He's the focus in the fic I'm writing.

Marth reks ****, looks fab and probably takes it up the butt 10/10

 

[Deleted member]

So, my brother kind of forced me into buying Tekken for Wii U
I don't know which one is it but I think there is only one on the Wii U anyways
I hope I don't regret it
And I also bought the BW Pokemon Adventures manga
I don't know if the localization in here changed something but how many volumes are there of it?(not counting the BW2 manga)

Usually I'd be the fighting game expert here..... But Tekken just happens to be one of the very few fighters I haven't played.

Besides in an arcade once, which I guess was fun. Don't know because I had no idea what I was doing though.

 

[aldelaro5]

You misread my post I think. ^^;

I meant that Super Paper Mario is the only Paper Mario I have played to completion (I even did at least 1 of the Pits of 100 Trials). And I agree, it's highly underrated, both as a Paper Mario game and as a Wii game. It's superb and I recommend it to anyone who likes Mario or action RPGs.

What I find interesting is that Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy came out in the same year. Both of these games are what made me more interested in Mario (I had played some games before and liked them but wasn't that deep into it), due to their awesome stories and interesting utilisation of characters (Rosalina and the Lumas in Galaxy, as well as a bit of Luigi and Captain Toad. And pretty much all of the original SPM characters were a good time, and even Peach got some good characterisation here, which is a rarity for her)...however, the Mario games didn't really carry those traits on beyond that.

It;s the text, omg, I will not hesitate that as much as i gush on TTYD, spm text was overall deeper than TTYD.

Well I also found the genre merge ingenious, but that plot......loved it

As for smg, I do think that spm got seom smg inspiration, mainly about how the stories.....they feel they coudl have connections, there;s weird theories abotu it, but I think them being released at the same year isn;t surprising if I consider that.

But I would recommend to play TTYD because especially at 3-4 of spm, there;s a lot of TTYD stuff there, but also because TTYD is basically regarded as the best in the series, most actually prefer it and I am one of those people.

And fun fact for a concrete example as tyo why I think the spm text goes deeper than TTYD, there;s a litteral devices in the writting of both games were instead of saying any character "die", they are replacing it by "his game woudl be over" they really do this as a refference to death.

TTYD, only ONCE the text did that.

SPM: it;s filled, I can;t even count, it's there all the time which is btw quite dark considering it;s still about death, but spm does have dark themes......mainly love, but death too especially the underwhere......

I like spm

 

[Jaedrik]

It's more being a contrarian than it is being a pessimist.

Any sentence that starts with "You guys all..." is usually accompanied by either a differing opinion for the sake of going against the flow, or not wanting to seem like the odd man out for having the unpopular opinion.

On an unrelated note, optimism is disgusting and should be snuffed out immediately, any given chance.

You guys all sure are swell people.
IsmaR you need some Ridley in your life. He wrote a book called "The Rational Optimist."
Matt Ridley, of course, member of the House of Lords.
(Just got one of his books "The Evolution of Everything." Also sorry.)

For some reason this thread is overly pessimistic about most things and tries to disguise it as realism.

Pessimism shall never be realism.

While probably more nuanced and different for each particular individual, I'd tend to agree. I often contradict simply to contradict, to help hone my inclinations into coherent thoughts by putting myself under fire. It'll help for some time when I actually need to stand up in real life to some serious issue where everyone's against me~

Marth reks ****, looks fab and probably takes it up the butt 10/10

Well... well...
I won't be writing any Yaoi in particular, but... Noted.

 

[Bedoop]

We talkin' Paper Jam?
Someone
Anyone
Could be from anywhere
TELL ME WHERE THIS FELLOW IS

wheremyMrLat

 

[Fenriraga]

No. It really was. We saw the battle system. We saw the world.

It was incredibly obvious.


Holy **** man. Calm down.

We don't even know the plot or all of the settings. You're judging this game way too early.

We do actually, the game is out in some regions after all. The Koopa Kids are as close to a surprise as the plot gets.

And no, it was not obvious. In terms of gameplay, yes, but in the sense of a crossover, we were expecting at leat some Paper Mario characters and Some M&L characters. We get none of those, sans Starlow.

TTYD is my favorite game of all time. And I can't say I like how Sticker Star and Paper Jam are taking away everything that seperate the RPGS from the rest of Mario. And with those elements now leaking into M&L, yes, I'm pissed.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You guys all sure are swell people.
IsmaR you need some Ridley in your life. He wrote a book called "The Rational Optimist."
Matt Ridley, of course, member of the House of Lords.
(Just got one of his books "The Evolution of Everything." Also sorry.)
While probably more nuanced and different for each particular individual, I'd tend to agree. I often contradict simply to contradict, to help hone my inclinations into coherent thoughts by putting myself under fire. It'll help for some time when I actually need to stand up in real life to some serious issue where everyone's against me~
Well... well...
I won't be writing any Yaoi in particular, but... Noted.

Marth is married to Sheeda. A PEG Knight. Geddit?

 

[aldelaro5]

No. It really was. We saw the battle system. We saw the world.

It was incredibly obvious.

With every footages combined, I would say i had enough to know it was m&l featuring paper mario and that the goal of the game was to have paper mario elements in m&l.......

I coudln;t know enough to judge the game, but enough to say it had potential to bring the paper Mario series more on a positive note

So yeah, it was obvious. even the summary of the game stated it.

 

[Deleted member]

Meanwhile, I am completely lost in this discussion, as I haven't even seen paper jam footage nor can I ATM.

 

[Jaedrik]

Marth is married to Sheeda. A PEG Knight. Geddit?

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
That's stretching it for the sake of a pun.
I shouldn't have said stretching.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I've enjoyed every Paper Mario game I've played honestly.

Paper Mario, Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario are masterpieces.

Even Sticker Star is at least okay... Obnoxious, but okay... Just painful in certain parts.


I really haven't had any problems with the Mario and Luigi series. All of them were amazing.

 

[aldelaro5]

We talkin' Paper Jam?
Someone
Anyone
Could be from anywhere
TELL ME WHERE THIS FELLOW IS

wheremyMrLat

......Can you tell me what is he doign exactly?

The only thing I can think of is the pm64 credits......

 

[Cutie Gwen]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
That's stretching it for the sake of a pun.
I shouldn't have said stretching.

It's my headcanon actually, not just for puns

Even Sticker Star is at least okay... Obnoxious, but okay... Just painful in certain parts.

'Who the **** told me RPGs need stories? They're getting fired' Miyamoto

 

[Schnee117]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
That's stretching it for the sake of a pun.
I shouldn't have said stretching.

Yeah.
You should have gone with "Expand" instead.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Apparently Antasma's Theme and Count Bleck's Theme have been worked into the boss battle music.

I can hear it barely.

 

[aldelaro5]

It's my headcanon actually, not just for puns

'Who the **** told me RPGs need stories? They're getting fired' Miyamoto

at least club nintendo isn;t a thing (one of the reason it was said to have no stories is most said on club nintendo to not care about the one in spm, people actually cared heavily).

It;s weird how for most people, stories is the main problem of SS while I do agree it is one.....I think the fact it has a hard time to be an rpg buggles me much more, because it is making me ask what exactly is the point of the game.

As for if nintendo learned.......I believe yes, but i guess we would have to wait for that, we do know nothing of paper jam plot (looked solid so far) and who knows if they are planning a paper mario game now

 

[ChikoLad]

It;s the text, omg, I will not hesitate that as much as i gush on TTYD, spm text was overall deeper than TTYD.

Well I also found the genre merge ingenious, but that plot......loved it

As for smg, I do think that spm got seom smg inspiration, mainly about how the stories.....they feel they coudl have connections, there;s weird theories abotu it, but I think them being released at the same year isn;t surprising if I consider that.

But I would recommend to play TTYD because especially at 3-4 of spm, there;s a lot of TTYD stuff there, but also because TTYD is basically regarded as the best in the series, most actually prefer it and I am one of those people.

And fun fact for a concrete example as tyo why I think the spm text goes deeper than TTYD, there;s a litteral devices in the writting of both games were instead of saying any character "die", they are replacing it by "his game woudl be over" they really do this as a refference to death.

TTYD, only ONCE the text did that.

SPM: it;s filled, I can;t even count, it's there all the time which is btw quite dark considering it;s still about death, but spm does have dark themes......mainly love, but death too especially the underwhere......

I like spm

I wouldn't go so far as to say SPM was inspired by SMG if only because IIRC, SPM actually started development as a Gamecube title, way before SMG was conceptualised (the idea of Mario running around planets was around for a while but they didn't start making an actual game of it until the Wii came around as tests on GC weren't proving satisfactory for them). But yes, in terms of the stories and lore and characters in both games, I do think SPM and SMG are very similar in those regards, making it apparent as to why I love both games so much (apart from the gameplay).

As far as linking them together goes, there is a semi-popular fan theory regarding Bleck and Timpani being Rosalina's parents...it doesn't really work for a multitude of reasons, but I know why the theory exists.

 

[Chrono.]

Honestly, a Paper Mario and M&L full blown crossover sounds like a recipe for disaster

I don't see how both worlds would mesh all that well considering how different each game is from each other (within, their own series even!).

When you think about it for a bit, it's pretty easy to see why the game is just "M&L ft PM" and it's not like this is the first crossover like this either.

Take PLvsAA for example, the game was basically the main two from each series set in a kinda neutral setting, and it worked.

I don't see why the same can't happen to M&L with PM.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The battle theme is a remix of the Super Star Saga Battle Theme.

I was only a little hyped before.

NOW I'M FULLY HYPED!

Take PLvsAA for example, the game was basically the main two from each series set in a kinda neutral setting, and it worked.

It did and it didn't.

The game is basically a Layton game with some courtroom puzzles. Moreover, the writing made it clear the developers favored Layton much more. Layton does most of the important things. The plot is structured like a Layton game and even the designs barring three characters are Layton designs. It wasn't neutral at all.

 

[aldelaro5]

Apparently Antasma's Theme and Count Bleck's Theme have been worked into the boss battle music.

I can hear it barely.

.....swamp, I heard the theme a lot and i have to ask.....

Where do you feel hearing count bleck theme?

I know his theme well (it;s hypnotic) and it didn;t sounded obviosu to me so mind telling where and what you heard?

Honestly, a Paper Mario and M&L full blown crossover sounds like a recipe for disaster

I don't see how both worlds would mesh all that well considering how different each game is from each other (within, their own series even!).

When you think about it for a bit, it's pretty easy to see why the game is just "M&L ft PM" and it's not like this is the first crossover like this either.

Take PLvsAA for example, the game was basically the main two from each series set in a kinda neutral setting, and it worked.

I don't see why the same can't happen to M&L with PM.

I will tell you why: both series are based on one game.

Smrpg is the reason Paper Mario even exist and if you compare superstar saga with smrpg, you woudl notice A LOT of similarities. The thing is, Paper Mario basically did that, except both series turned to see the concept of smrpg in different way from eachother.

But both series have quite a good chunk in common.

And let;s not forget that IS did the really seemingly hard task to fuse platofrmer and rpg when doing spm, not only it worked, but I praised them for the ingenious.

In fact, you could argue these two series could be great candidates to cross over each other, they are based on the same concept after all, they just differ from it in distinct way.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

.....swamp, I heard the theme a lot and i have to ask.....

Where do you feel hearing count bleck theme?

I know his theme well (it;s hypnotic) and it didn;t sounded obviosu to me so mind telling where and what you heard?

People are saying around :46 or so.

I can barely hear it but it's one of the counter melodies.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Something awesome happened today.

I went out to Best Buy for the sales (I ended up getting The Dark Knight, Godzilla, Whiplash, and Kingsman on Blu-Ray), then I walked over to EB Games and they had ONE Gamecube adapter, so I bought it. I'm so happy I finally found one.

 

[aldelaro5]

The battle theme is a remix of the Super Star Saga Battle Theme.

I was only a little hyped before.

NOW I'M FULLY HYPED!

you should have read my posts, I basically got super hyped when i heard that

it;s one of the very few music that caught me when I played superstar saga, of course it made me very happy

FYI, it only plays when you didn;t get Paper Mario, as soon as you get it, it;s the main battle theme e heard that E3

People are saying around :46 or so.

I can barely hear it but it's one of the counter melodies.

Let me heard because placebo can be a thing

........holy, if this is count bleck, IT;S SUPER FAR FETCHED!!!!

Like ok, I hear the like......first 2-3 seconds, but I would need more.

For references, this is what I compared to:

......it';s so generic sounding in paper jam I have a hard tiem to see a correlation.

It reminds me of river twigg, check the yt comment on the video because placebo is hitting so hard.....

 

[LIQUID12A]

For some reason this thread is overly pessimistic about most things and tries to disguise it as realism.

Pessimism shall never be realism.

To be completely fair, pessimism is not completely unjustified and can turn into realism should events take their course.

Like Gematsu seemingly shutting out chances for many characters until Chrom's effective defamation of the leak and the incoming end of DLC with no current sign of Wolf leading all but the most optimistic(almost to the point of delusion) to think his chances are lowered at best or gone(@PushDustIn), or anyone's hopes for Paper Jam being shattered by what they've seen.

For example, I fully expect my most wanted to not actually be DLC given the odds are somewhat stacked against them. Is that pessimism, or bracing for a possible outcome?

Not gonna viciously argue with you, just mentioning my own view on this because frankly the idea is interesting.

 

[Schnee117]

Kingsman

Really love that film and I like how it differed to the comic but contained references to it. Still the best film I've seen this year too.
Until the 17th December anyway maybe

 

[aldelaro5]

Anyway, I got so intense in that discussion i forgot to post a thing

First, we see some bridges in the cave where you use the whip thing to unravel it.

We also see the paper mouses (like in world 4 of SS) as enemies in the cave.

But the most interesting part is paper gears for paper mario at 8:43, he basically has paper sprites of stuff the boots notably uses the SS sprites. It;s a nice touch

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I've played all Paper Mario games so far but Sticker Star. Haven't beaten the first one though....

I enjoy them all but, but SPM is by far my favorite. (and it was, sad to say, also the first one I ever played. I had never heard of TTYD when I grew up with my Gamecube somehow, and the N64 was very short of dying by the time my much younger-self had learned about video games)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

To be completely fair, pessimism is not completely unjustified and can turn into realism should events take their course.

Like Gematsu seemingly shutting out chances for many characters until Chrom's effective defamation of the leak and the incoming end of DLC with no current sign of Wolf leading all but the most optimistic(almost to the point of delusion) to think his chances are lowered at best or gone(@PushDustIn), or anyone's hopes for Paper Jam being shattered by what they've seen.

For example, I fully expect my most wanted to not actually be DLC given the odds are somewhat stacked against them. Is that pessimism, or bracing for a possible outcome?

There's preparing for the worst and then there's insisting its going to happen.

Moreover, like what happened with Gematsu, keeping one's hope up can be best in the long run. After all, we got the best possible outcome.

Being realistic doesn't mean giving up hope for something or thinking something is a lost cause.

 

[Chrono.]

http://www.siliconera.com/2015/11/27/xenoblade-chronicles-x-my-first-steps-onto-mira/

As expected, the first 6 hours or so are super slow.

I don't mind though, I'd rather take my time with a game like this.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm gonna see if yoshi woolly world is on sale

Since it's black Friday and all

 

[Deleted member]

'Who the **** told me RPGs need stories? They're getting fired' Miyamoto

Miyamoto would be a great EO director and the fanbase would love it

Really love that film and I like how it differed to the comic but contained references to it. Still the best film I've seen this year too.
Until the 17th December anyway maybe

Man, Kingsman was great
I didn't even knew it was a thing when I saw it on theathers and me and my family went out to watch something so we went with the "1080p 60fps tactical espionage" movie
No one regreted that day

 

[LIQUID12A]

There's preparing for the worst and then there's insisting its going to happen.

Moreover, like what happened with Gematsu, keeping one's hope up can be best in the long run. After all, we got the best possible outcome.

Being realistic doesn't mean giving up hope for something or thinking something is a lost cause.

Then again, there are times when not giving up hope has backfired spectacularly, so it's not like there aren't downsides.

As Ridley and his shadow theories can attest to.

 

[Zane13pyro]

I've enjoyed every Paper Mario game I've played honestly.

Paper Mario, Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario are masterpieces.

Even Sticker Star is at least okay... Obnoxious, but okay... Just painful in certain parts.


I really haven't had any problems with the Mario and Luigi series. All of them were amazing.

pmttyd is my fave

 

[Deleted member]

Then again, there are times when not giving up hope has backfired spectacularly, so it's not like there aren't downsides.

As Ridley and his shadow theories can attest to.

I regret nothing, if anything I miss the days of those speculation days.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Then again, there are times when not giving up hope has backfired spectacularly, so it's not like there aren't downsides.

As Ridley and his shadow theories can attest to.

Giving up hope has also backfired, like with Gematsu, fan rules, and two slots.

Both have their pros and cons. I just think the positive alternative is healthier and more fun.

 

[ChikoLad]

Honestly, a Paper Mario and M&L full blown crossover sounds like a recipe for disaster

I don't see how both worlds would mesh all that well considering how different each game is from each other (within, their own series even!).

When you think about it for a bit, it's pretty easy to see why the game is just "M&L ft PM" and it's not like this is the first crossover like this either.

Take PLvsAA for example, the game was basically the main two from each series set in a kinda neutral setting, and it worked.

I don't see why the same can't happen to M&L with PM.

An M&L x PM could work if instead of the two being separate characters, they are one and the same.

Make it like some villain is ****ing with dimensional rifts a la Dimentio in SPM or whatever and the world is being shifted into that Paper Mario style and stuff. Certain areas are normal, others are paper. Being in one or the other changes Mario & Luigi's form, and that results in different changes to their abilities and attributes, both on the field and in battles. The same applies to enemies who can also transition between areas.

Then have characters from both series' be featured at various points, with a few iconic Paper Mario locations seeping into the normal Mario world due to this dimensional chaos and what not.

And as a result of this, have Paper versions of various main series Mario characters appear (I wanna see Rosalina in these games already gosh darn it, she's too perfect of a fit for them to not be included). Hell, just have the likes of Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Rosalina, and Toad (maybe Captain Toad more specifically) be actual recruitable party members or at least summons or something. I really liked how SPM did that and the other games don't seem to.

That's just a basic idea but I think it'd be easy and work fine.

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Was this an early glitch or is it still like that in the Wii U version? :V