Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

This was done by the devs who made Generations

Well, at least the music is good :v

 

[Burb]

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2015/11/sonic-the-hedgehog-awakening-found-on-ex-silver-va-resume/

Sonic 06 sequel confirmed guys.

Sonic the Hedgehog Awakening?

So it's a waifu/husbando simulator?

All aboard the Etika hate train.

I mean.

I don't enjoy the stuff he puts out, but...

Y'all silly for hating / kvetching about something so trivial as a guy who makes videos on the internet predicting something unlikely.

It's a stupid prediction based on a stupid comparison (Cloud was never viewed as a likely candidate, but I don't get why he's being lumped together with characters like Goku and Shrek. I've never seen Cloud used as a joke suggestion on the same scale as them) I think taking some jabs at the guy is warranted.

 

[kylexv]

This was done by the devs who made Generations

So they make memorable games such as Unleashed and Generations that, even if they're flawed a little, they're still fun to play.
And then they make this crap.

Spoiler

 

[Wario Bros.]

The way the whole damn smart phone games "service" is handled since forever, I'm still not surprised the only gaming I do on my tablet is emulators.

There's not much (or any) trust to put into smart phone games when being compared to actual game systems (I don't call smart phones a "game system").

 

[ChikoLad]

Meh, it's just an iOS game. No sense in getting all worked up about it.

I'm worked up about it because it used to be a really good game, and it actually had a competitive scene (not in the same sense as Smash but the leaderboards were fun as hell to compete in since you actually got rewarded for it).

You know how people say "wow, Sonic can never stick with a good idea" because the gameplay always changes (for example, while I like Lost World, a lot of people don't and will say Sonic should have stuck to the "boost formula" that Unleashed started)?

This is that taken to it's most LITERAL extreme. Sonic Runners WAS a fantastic game during the initial soft launch phase. The worldwide release made it worse, and was enough to do the game in for me. But a lot of people still enjoyed it. But I could respect that, and just thought "well I guess it just isn't my thing anymore but clearly others find enough to like and that's fine".

But now? It's an undefendable mess. SEGA didn't just take a good idea and not stick with it. They literally took a fantastic game that people were actively enjoying and made it bad with one update.

What's worse is that this is marketed towards kids. Even though it effectively demands you participate in real gambling to play.

This was done by the devs who made Generations

I don't think that's entirely true, as Sonic Team have multiple, well, "teams".

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gothic Amy actually looks pretty cute 10/10 Sonic Runners best game
ESP Silver looks almost exactly the same 0/10 The gaming industry will crash like the 80's

 

[FalKoopa]

Sonic Temple Run Dash on Android is a pretty okay game though. At least not as money hungry to the level of Runners.

 

[Burb]

Pretty much this. He may be mostly wrong, but from what I've seen he almost never states his opinions or reasonings as facts. I mean his videos are usually:

1. MY ****!
2. THIS THING HAPPENED!
3. MY OPINION ON THIS THING!
4. MY ****!

Honestly, instead of raging on Etika, people should question why people take his opinion as fact.

"Don't blame the news source that's too lazy to do research and instead churns out videos filled with misinformation so he can get them out as quickly as possible! Blame the people who trust him!"

People wouldn't be getting mislead in the first place if this hack would actually take the time to check facts instead of making videos immediately to rake in more views to make money off of.

 

[Bedoop]

Meh, it's just an iOS game. No sense in getting all worked up about it.

Yah, we really shouldn't get too angry abo-

This was done by the devs who made Generations

INEXCUSABLE
UNDENIABLE
FIRE THEM
NOW

 

[Chrono.]

At this point the only thing we can hope for is for the backlash to be so huge that SEGA actually buffs everything back to how it used to be and removes the unavoidable deaths.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Was Runners made by the A-Team (Unleashed, Generations)? I always assumed it was something the B-Team made.

 

[Jaedrik]

It's a stupid prediction based on a stupid comparison (Cloud was never viewed as a likely candidate, but I don't get why he's being lumped together with characters like Goku and Shrek. I've never seen Cloud used as a joke suggestion on the same scale as them) I think taking some jabs at the guy is warranted.

A stupid, trivial prediction based on a stupid, inconsequential comparison.
Nevertheless, Cloud is up the scale, not on their level, we all acknowledge, but, again:
Being actually mad at something like this is what's stupid. Petty's a better word.

 

[Burb]

A stupid, unimportant prediction based on a stupid, inconsequential comparison.
Nevertheless, Cloud is up the scale, not on their level, we all acknowledge, but, again:
Being actually mad at something like this is what's stupid.

Nobody is mad at him over that.

People are making fun of how stupid that is.

I don't understand how you're confusing the two. There's nothing remotely resembling anger in any of the posts about it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yah, we really shouldn't get too angry abo-

INEXCUSABLE
UNDENIABLE
FIRE THEM
NOW

They made this

First they get spanked with a baseball with nails, then we fire them, but finally, we piss on their heads

 

[Chrono.]

Was Runners made by the A-Team (Unleashed, Generations)? I always assumed it was something the B-Team made.

I heard it's the B-Team but idk.

It's still bs though.

 

[ChikoLad]

"Don't blame the news source that's too lazy to do research and instead churns out videos filled with misinformation so he can get them out as quickly as possible! Blame the people who trust him!"

People wouldn't be getting mislead in the first place if this hack would actually take the time to check facts instead of making videos immediately to rake in more views to make money off of.

Except he actively says that he doesn't aim to spread facts, and has re-iterated that multiple times. His videos are nothing more than raw, gut reactions and opinion pieces. You have to keep that in mind - he's not TRYING to spread every nitty gritty fact. He's a hype generator.

If you don't like that kind of thing as a viewer, that's fine, but there is nothing WRONG with what he's doing.

The difference between Etika and say, your average Kotaku writer, is that the former is not aiming to be taken seriously and is effectively just some guy gushing about stuff for entertainment purposes, nothing more, nothing less. The latter would write sensational news articles with no sources and filled with some kind of agenda, and call that "journalism".

Was Runners made by the A-Team (Unleashed, Generations)? I always assumed it was something the B-Team made.

I wanna guess B-Team since it uses tons of Lost World assets as well as having a lot of references to the Storybook games and Colours. Colours, the Storybook games, and Lost World, were all developed by the B-Team.

It's still inexcusable either way, as their B-Team is talented. While I know people might not like the Storybook games and maybe even Lost World, Colours is one of the most successful and well received Sonic games in years, and actually sold more than Generations IIRC.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Except he actively says that he doesn't aim to spread facts, and has re-iterated that multiple times. His videos are nothing more than raw, gut reactions and opinion pieces. You have to keep that in mind - he's not TRYING to spread every nitty gritty fact. He's a hype generator.

If you don't like that kind of thing as a viewer, that's fine, but there is nothing WRONG with what he's doing.

The difference between Etika and say, your average Kotaku writer, is that the former is not aiming to be taken seriously and is effectively just some guy gushing about stuff for entertainment purposes, nothing more, nothing less. The latter would write sensational news articles with no sources and filled with some kind of agenda, and call that "journalism".

If anything, I say Etika not caring about it is worse, he knows he's going to get stuff wrong and spread misinformation, but he doesn't care, it's shamelessly deceiving someone

 

[Burb]

Except he actively says that he doesn't aim to spread facts, and has re-iterated that multiple times. His videos are nothing more than raw, gut reactions and opinion pieces. You have to keep that in mind - he's not TRYING to spread every nitty gritty fact. He's a hype generator.

If you don't like that kind of thing as a viewer, that's fine, but there is nothing WRONG with what he's doing.

The difference between Etika and say, your average Kotaku writer, is that the former is not aiming to be taken seriously and is effectively just some guy gushing about stuff for entertainment purposes, nothing more, nothing less. The latter would write sensational news articles with no sources and filled with some kind of agenda, and call that "journalism".

I got a question.

What's the name of Etika's channel?

 

[Jaedrik]

Nobody is mad at him over that.

People are making fun of how stupid that is.

I don't understand how you're confusing the two. There's nothing remotely resembling anger in any of the posts about it.

Just as well, it is petty to make jabs at someone for making a prediction on something so ultimately frivolous.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I heard it's the B-Team but idk.

It's still bs though.

Yeah, it doesn't excuse it either way.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

'Sega is like Adult Gohan, he'll find a way to lose'
shoudda been Yamcha :kappa:

 

[Chrono.]

I find hilarious they added Mephiles along with the update that ruined the game.

Like there's gotta be some quasi-symbolism going on there.

EDIT: apparently this isn't 100% confirmed real

 

[Burb]

Just as well, it is petty to make jabs at someone for making a prediction on something so ultimately frivolous.

Welcome to the internet, where people typically laugh at other people saying or doing stupid things.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Wasn't there some Tweet where Etika basically said "I don't care what I report on, I have to make money"?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I find hilarious they added Mephiles along with the update that ruined the game.

Like there's gotta be some quasi-symbolism going on there.

Does this mean 06 would have been amazing if they removed Mephiles? I hear Metal Sonic was originally going to be in 06 but I feel like Mephy replaced him and jinxed the game

 

[Babycowland]

And those things usually get leaked beforehand right? So that's a maximum of 19 days I think.

Yep, from what I can tell, it's pretty normal for an issue of CoroCoro to be leaked 3 or 4 days before its official release date, so we probably will see something about the Pokemon announcement before December 15th.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Is there any reason for me to go back and read the last couple of pages?

 

[Burb]

Is there any reason for me to go back and read the last couple of pages?

Not really, no.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Wasn't there some Tweet where Etika basically said "I don't care what I report on, I have to make money"?

Yeah, something like that lol

Is there any reason for me to go back and read the last couple of pages?

Nah, not really....

 

[Jaedrik]

Welcome to the internet, where people typically laugh at other people saying or doing stupid things.

Does that make this particular instance any more noble?
No.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is there any reason for me to go back and read the last couple of pages?

Look at people seeing Sonic Runners' update. But Bedoop has an amazing reaction with Ghirahim involved, I'd give him a buck because of how much I laughed

 

[FalKoopa]

Sad thing is their Temple Run clone Sonic Dash has a higher rating on the Play Store (4.4) as opposed to Sonic Runners which is based on their own games (3.9, will probably dip further)

Make of it what you will.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Is there any reason for me to go back and read the last couple of pages?

"Why is Etika still a thing?"
"SEGA ruined Sonic Runners forever"

That's basically what you'll find.

 

[ChikoLad]

I got a question.

What's the name of Etika's channel?

EWNetwork, but I don't see your point. A network =/= a news channel.

If anything, I say Etika not caring about it is worse, he knows he's going to get stuff wrong and spread misinformation, but he doesn't care, it's shamelessly deceiving someone

Not really, as he encourages people to look into it more if they want actual details, like, all of the time. He also leaves links to whatever articles he reads too (mostly his article reading videos are him giving his raw opinions on the subject matter). He's not deceiving anyone. He's never once said "I'm a trustworthy news source".

Something like your average Kotaku writer though? Yeah, they're a whole lot worse.

 

[Burb]

Does that make this particular instance any less trifling?

What difference does it make?

There's no sliding scale of importance, where something is deemed too insignificant to poke fun at if it ranks too low.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

EWNetwork, but I don't see your point. A network =/= a news channel.



Not really, as he encourages people to look into it more if they want actual details, like, all of the time. He also leaves links to whatever articles he reads too (mostly his article reading videos are him giving his raw opinions on the subject matter). He's not deceiving anyone. He's never once said "I'm a trustworthy news source".

Something like your average Kotaku writer though? Yeah, they're a whole lot worse.

Holy **** I can't believe I'm defending Kotaku...
While Kotaku is **** in every way shape and form, here's the issue. Etika's fans don't look at the articles because the articles don't include a 'funny man who yells peepee' and instead use Etika's opinions as fact

 

[ChikoLad]

Holy **** I can't believe I'm defending Kotaku...
While Kotaku is **** in every way shape and form, here's the issue. Etika's fans don't look at the articles because the articles don't include a 'funny man who yells peepee' and instead use Etika's opinions as fact

That's a very small minority.

I would call myself a fan of Etika, but I never source him as factual resource.

It's not like he tackles issues big enough for that minority to have any real dent on our planet anyway. He just talks about "COULD THIS CHARACTER GET INTO SMASH???", not world politics.

And to be fair, when it comes to Smash speculation, most of it is opinions and assumptions with or without Etika.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That's a very small minority.

I would call myself a fan of Etika, but I never source him as factual resource.

It's not like he tackles issues big enough for that minority to have any real dent on our planet anyway. He just talks about "COULD THIS CHARACTER GET INTO SMASH???", not world politics.

And to be fair, when it comes to Smash speculation, most of it is opinions and assumptions with or without Etika.

A majority of Etika's fans are about 13 iirc. Not every Kotaku article is absolutely horrendous. They have good articles every now and then. Hell, a few years ago I remember reading a Kamen Rider article there and it wasn't about politics, but advertising the new Gaim, while complementing the fruit motive for blending well with the 'historical warriors in armour' motive

 

[Jaedrik]

What difference does it make?

There's no sliding scale of importance, where something is deemed too insignificant to poke fun at if it ranks too low.

I believe you mistake what I mean.
I mean it's more harmful to oneself and to community to put such importance on trivial things, to get so worked up. In that sense, there is a 'sliding scale' (a little bit inaccurate since a scale implies quantity: there's no quantitative measurement that can be associated with importance, but I get what you mean).
If, on the other hand, the emotion I thought was on the previous pages about Etika was feigned, then, well, people ought be more honest and less hyperbolic. :P
But poking fun in itself is perfectly fine, it's just how one does it and on what matters.
Edit: at this point I don't think I ended the same way I started (still not sure), so, thank you for pulling me closer to earth. :D

 

[Burb]

EWNetwork, but I don't see your point. A network =/= a news channel.



Not really, as he encourages people to look into it more if they want actual details, like, all of the time. He also leaves links to whatever articles he reads too (mostly his article reading videos are him giving his raw opinions on the subject matter). He's not deceiving anyone. He's never once said "I'm a trustworthy news source".

Something like your average Kotaku writer though? Yeah, they're a whole lot worse.

He presents himself as a news source. His videos include news videos and reactions/bad comedy skits.

Backpedaling and saying "IM NOT A NEWS CHANNEL I JUST REPORT RUMORS GAIZ" whenever he's called out for spreading misinformation doesn't change anything.

If he doesn't want to be viewed as a news channel, maybe he should, I dunno, stop reporting news?

That's a very small minority.

Based on what? The fact that you don't?

I would call myself a fan of Etika, but I never source him as factual resource.

It's not like he tackles issues big enough for that minority to have any real dent on our planet anyway. He just talks about "COULD THIS CHARACTER GET INTO SMASH???", not world politics.

And to be fair, when it comes to Smash speculation, most of it is opinions and assumptions with or without Etika.

Uhh....the problem is that people go to his videos to hear Smash-related news.

The fact that the news he's reporting isn't world news is completely irrelevant. He's doing a poor job of reporting the subject he centers his channel around.

Since you seem to like to use Kotaku as a comparison.....Kotaku mainly focuses on video games and social justice issues. So why does it matter that they lack any sort of journalistic integrity?