Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Solfiner]

Whenever I see people commenting that the Xenoblade X soundtrack sounds like any of the following anime: Kill la Kill, Blue Exorcist, Guilty Crown, Attack on Titan, Aldnoah.Zero, Owari no Seraph, Gundam Unicorn, Nanatsu no Taizai.

Gee, I wonder why... Totally not because they have the same composer or anything like that.

Yeah really. I don't see people complaining about Xenoblade obviously having Yoko Shimomura as a composer.

Their loss though, I love both soundtracks to death.

 

[kylexv]

Spoiler: Really?

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Really?..... Are you guys kidding me right now..... I know Ultra Smash is the talk but darn...... *Sigh*...

Clearly you guys aren't mature enough to get over your silly little jokes.....

Because Ultra Smash is clearly better than Ultra Smash, Ultra Smash, Ultra Smash, or Ultra Smash. And I have proof.

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Ugh, that image is taken out of context.
It's the rating for Nintendo's website, not the game.

 

[Z25]

And as of today, I now celebrate another year on this planet!



While it had the reward of getting to catching Broken Delta Dragon Rayquaza and Deoxys, I personally felt it wasn't that great leading up to it as well since you had to go through a series of fetch quest and a pretty forced final encounter with Team Magma/Aqua to get to them. Also, for me, I personally preferred Looker and Emma as characters much more then I did Zinnia, so I was able to go through their story easier then I did with her.



I wouldn't say that's really the same actually since a lot of Radiant Dawn's complaints were more self contained and didn't leak into the reception or design of future games. It also lacked newer fans that came into conflict with older ones due to their preference to how it handled itself. Awakening's complaints have more of a notable base breaking factor since they did leak into future game (and got far worse) and added a large number of newer fans that butt heads with the older ones due to their preference for Awakening's design.

Happy Birthday! Hope it's been a good one!

And Wow, who would have thought a discussion about would get as unstructured as the game itself!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

...I just realized something.

We could possibly get Tetsuya Nomura art for Cloud's newcomer picture. That'd be cool.
And Mario and Link would have tons of zippers.

And as of today, I now celebrate another year on this planet!

It's your birthday, huh?

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[Deleted member]

Ugh, that image is taken out of context.
It's the rating for Nintendo's website, not the game.

I was well aware.

And as of today, I now celebrate another year on this planet!

So I'm presumming it's your birthday then? Happy birthday!

 

[AncientTobacco]

And as of today, I now celebrate another year on this planet!

When are you returning to your home on Mars, anyway?

 

[wedl!!]

I really want that hoodie to the right. Don't even care if it's women's clothing.

 

[Deleted member]

I really want that hoodie to the right. Don't even care if it's women's clothing.

I mean, I don't even see why you want it so much
It's just a white hoodie with a bunch of sushi drawings
But I guess everyone has different tastes for clothing

 

[Frostwraith]

And as of today, I now celebrate another year on this planet!

I assume this means it's your birthday?

Hope you have a good one!

I wouldn't say that's really the same actually since a lot of Radiant Dawn's complaints were more self contained and didn't leak into the reception or design of future games. It also lacked newer fans that came into conflict with older ones due to their preference to how it handled itself. Awakening's complaints have more of a notable base breaking factor since they did leak into future game (and got far worse) and added a large number of newer fans that butt heads with the older ones due to their preference for Awakening's design.

Pretty much this.

The newer fans aren't quite in for the strategic game play, but for the matchmaking and waifus and whatnot. Why do you think they have added the option to dumb down the game to a ludicrous degree known as Phoenix mode this timearound?

Casual mode, I still think it makes some sense for accessibility. There are plenty of strategy RPGs that don't have permanent death, after all. Phoenix mode is just a subtle way of saying "yeah, we know you're in this for the fanservice, so here, let us dumb down the game so you can quickly get over the story and go face-rub your waifu/husbando".

Yeah really. I don't see people complaining about Xenoblade obviously having Yoko Shimomura as a composer.

Their loss though, I love both soundtracks to death.

ACE+, Yoko Shimomura, Manami Kiyota and Yasunori Mitsuda did a great job on the original Xenoblade soundtrack, but Hiroyuki Sawano also provided with a damn good soundtrack.

All of them are great artists in their own ways, but being different people, of course they will have their own way of doing music. It shows: Shimomura and Sawano have very distinct styles to their music. (And speaking of Shimomura, plenty of people do compare her Xenoblade work with Kingdom Hearts. lol)

Xenoblade X's soundtrack fits very well into the game's sci-fi genre. It helps that Sawano has worked on mecha/sci-fi anime series before, so I think he was a great choice for Xenoblade X's music.

Likewise, I think ACE+ and Shimomura's music worked well in the original Xenoblade. The main theme, Gaur Plain, Colony 9, Engage the Enemy, the battle themes are some of the highlights of the soundtrack.

After all, Tetsuya Takahashi did hire the composers himself and directed them to fit with his games' vision. Makes me wonder how his next game will be like. (Part of me wishes that Takahashi brings back all of the previous Xenoblade composers for the next game's OST, but that would probably be too awesome for this world to handle.)

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I wouldn't say that's really the same actually since a lot of Radiant Dawn's complaints were more self contained and didn't leak into the reception or design of future games. It also lacked newer fans that came into conflict with older ones due to their preference to how it handled itself. Awakening's complaints have more of a notable base breaking factor since they did leak into future game (and got far worse) and added a large number of newer fans that butt heads with the older ones due to their preference for Awakening's design.

I was merely pointing out that Radiant Dawn was the first FE ame to really split the fan base, that's all.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I need all of your opinions:

I'm getting a PS4, and I'm wondering what games to get. Any suggestions?

 

[Bedoop]

It's just a white hoodie with a bunch of sushi drawings
But I guess everyone has different tastes for clothing

You know what you did there?
I C it.
I C what U did there.
Puns! Quips! Jokes!

 

[Chrono.]

I guess I'll follow in @Xenoking's footsteps and do my own "No Hopers" list

• Tails - Not very requested, 3rd Party series getting a second character is unlikely
• King Boo - Not popular, B-list Mario character
• Simon Belmont - Konami
• Ray 01 - Not very requested, super niche character
• Isa Jo - Same as above
• Skull Kid, Lana - I'm convinced they won't add Zelda characters that aren't related to the main 3 in some way

Yeah I think this about covers it...

 

[Substitution]

To play Devil's Advocate for a second, it's not like the route they went was completely pointless.
Say what you want, but sex does sell. And let's face it Awakening was in a "make it or break it" ordeal. They had to do something in order to keep it alive, and it had to be accessible. It's just for better or worse they went with the fanservice route.

 

[Deleted member]

You know what you did there?
I C it.
I C what U did there.
Puns! Quips! Jokes!

I swear, that was in no way intentional
This is the life of someone that has been cursed by puns

 

[Deleted member]

I need all of your opinions:

I'm getting a PS4, and I'm wondering what games to get. Any suggestions?

Funny you mention that, I just got a PS4 yesterday as an early birthday present from my Dad.

Hmmm, let's see, well, scratch battlefront off, that game really lacks content, IMO.(Or at least wait until there's more content and the price goes down.) Black Ops 3 is surprisingly good. Mortal Kombat X is pretty good, I'm waiting on Street Fighter V too. Oh, and then there's Fallout 4, which I haven't gotten yet. But I heard was pretty great.

But the more I think about it..... These next gen consoles are sure as heck lacking the quantity of games the last generations had.....

 

[Chrono.]

To play Devil's Advocate for a second, it's not like the route they went was completely pointless.
Say what you want, but sex does sell. And let's face it Awakening was in a "make it or break it" ordeal. They had to do something in order to keep it alive, and it had to be accessible. It's just for better or worse they went with the fanservice route.

To be fair, Awakening was far more tasteful, there wasn't really anything that set off any red flags other than everything having to do with Nowi.

Oh and Aversa.

 

[Chainz]

Did Nintendo ever say how many DLC characters they gonna release?

Or they gonna keep throwing them out until demand goes cold?

 

[Khoru]

I really want that hoodie to the right. Don't even care if it's women's clothing.

...is this moa's- yep

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[NintenZ]

So I see some of you, like me, have been playing Final Fantasy VII, well let me tell you something, it has a spin-off that's so good, it's better then all the other spin-offs, such as Crisis Core and Advent Children, this one is harder to find then the others too, it's called...
Chocabo Racing

 

[wedl!!]

I mean, I don't even see why you want it so much
It's just a white hoodie with a bunch of sushi drawings
But I guess everyone has different tastes for clothing

I think it's adorable, personally.

 

[Chrono.]

Did Nintendo ever say how many DLC characters they gonna release?

Or they gonna keep throwing them out until demand goes cold?

No, not yet.

But there's only 3 slots left in the data (one which Cloud will occupy). This, coupled with the next Smash presentation supposedly being the final one, it's safe to assume there's only 2 other characters left, leading to a total of 7 DLC characters.

The Not-Forbidden 7, if you will.

 

[Substitution]

Did Nintendo ever say how many DLC characters they gonna release?

Or they gonna keep throwing them out until demand goes cold?

While they haven't said anything, most assume the DLC reps from the Smash Ballot are going to be the last (especially since the December Smash Direct will be the last Smash Direct).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I have this weird thing where I can't go to Facebook unless I'm feeling confident

So, I just don't visit it unless I get an email alert

 

[ChikoLad]

Camelot seems to have turned from a company that could push out a quality RPG/sports game on an annual basis (sometimes more than once a year) to a developer that poops out some meh Mario filler two or three times a gen. Look at their work up until like 2005.

The ****. The **** Nintendo.

;_;

To be fair though I heard World Tour was pretty decent, at least compared to their recent tennis offerings.

That's a bit of an overreaction based off of one game that everyone can agree was a flop. And even then, Ultra Smash is only a flop in the sense that it doesn't have the content to justify being sold at full price and they have not promised regular content updates (a la Splatoon). Otherwise, the game has been praised for still having really satisfying and surprisingly deep tennis mechanics, as well as great visuals. It's just that the game feels more like "a solid, €20 game from an upcoming and talented indie studio", rather than a €60 Nintendo licensed game.

I hear that Camelot's B-Team handles the Tennis games though, while their A-Team handle the Golf games. So comparing the Tennis and Golf games isn't even a fair comparison as the A-Team has far more to work with.

I honestly don't play the Mario Sports games but they are the sort of game where it's really easy to see if they are worth it or not, and in the case of World Tour, it's definitely a quality title. I hear it has twice the content the Gamecube one had, and that's BEFORE you get any DLC for it. And you could even customise your Mii and stuff in it like in Smash.

Oh, and the celebration animations are by far some of the best things to come out of the Mario series in recent years. So much love and care put into them.

Upon an Eagle, or a Hole in One:

-Mario commits murder
-Waluigi becomes fabulous
-Birdo snogs the camera
-Nabbit runs across a NSMBU level with a HUD and everything
-Rosalina tears time and space asunder with actual identifiable galaxies from the Galaxy games in the background, and summons almost every variation of a Luma from the Galaxy games to her side

 

[Frostwraith]

To play Devil's Advocate for a second, it's not like the route they went was completely pointless.
Say what you want, but sex does sell. And let's face it Awakening was in a "make it or break it" ordeal. They had to do something in order to keep it alive, and it had to be accessible. It's just for better or worse they went with the fanservice route.

It's sad that we live in a world where for a strategy game to sell, it needs to have fanservice shoehorned into it.

To be fair, Awakening was far more tasteful, there wasn't really anything that set off any red flags other than everything having to do with Nowi.

Oh and Aversa.

This.

Nowi was distasteful, though you could argue the same for Ricken and maybe Henry and Lissa.

Aversa's sex appeal at least made sense for her character given she is a manipulative villain.

Awakening did have fanservice, but it wasn't all over the place, unlike Fates where it reaches ridiculous levels with Camilla, that stripping skill, the face-rubbing and so on.

 

[Naoshi]

I really doubt fanservice was THE reason why FE:A did so well. Sure it helped a bit, but it wasn't the thing that made it so popular.

It had a lot going for it that helped big time: Accessiblity (Casual Mode), familiar characters to push sales (Lucina who resembles Marth), the introduction of the franchise's first demo, etc.

I've known so many people who wanted to try FE but could never get into them due to the difficulty and the permadeath was a huge turn off for many. Then there comes FE:A and suddenly the same people are now into FE!

FE doesn't need fanservice to survive. There was a GAF post that explained this far better than I did since said poster is more familiar with FE than I am and went into a bit of depth on what made Awakening successful. If anyone wants a link I'll link it.

 

[Substitution]

I really doubt fanservice was THE reason why FE:A did so well.

It had a lot going for it that helped big time: Accessiblity (Casual Mode), familiar characters to push sales (Lucina who resembles Marth), the inclusion of demos, etc.

I've known so many people who wanted to try FE but could never get into them due to the difficulty and the permadeath was a huge turn off for many.

FE doesn't need fanservice to survive. There was a GAF post that explained this far better than I did since said poster is more familiar with FE than I am and went into a bit of depth on what made Awakening successful.

Fair enough, but even then fanservice is slowly becoming a part of FE. If they remove it now there will be blood.

 

[Naoshi]

Fair enough, but even then fanservice is slowly becoming a part of FE. If they remove it now there will be blood.

There will be backlash, but I do wonder how much of an impact said backlash would make. Fates after all had plenty of backlash for double downing on the fanservice.

Hard to say what will exactly happen, but I don't think it'll hurt the franchise too much by ditching it all together.

 

[ChikoLad]

It's sad that we live in a world where for a strategy game to sell, it needs to have fanservice shoehorned into it.

While it doesn't really need it, I wouldn't say it's "shoehorned in".

Sexual themes or strong romantic themes are a big part of medieval fiction whether you like it or not, especially if you are at all trying to give it a resemblance to actual medieval times. That's why Game of Thrones is such a big hit.

From what I can tell, FE is supposed to be a series Nintendo wants people to view as "mature", so it's given mature themes. Sexual relations are just a part of that. Meanwhile, Zelda will remain the "family friendly" fantasy game series (even though it still has fanservice, mainly in Twilight Princess).

Whether or not that's done tastefully, well, I can't say, as I haven't played the games. But I don't see what's wrong with having that element in Fire Emblem.

 

[Deleted member]

There will be backlash, but I do wonder how much of an impact said backlash would make. Fates after all had plenty of backlash for double downing on the fanservice.

All I could say is that I've seen it almost destroyed a franchise before when they got rid of fanservice for one game.(KoF 12, though to be fair that game just lacked content in general.) It could be pretty damaging. Though I agree with what you've been saying.

 

[Chainz]

From what I can tell, FE is supposed to be a series Nintendo wants people to view as "mature", so it's given mature themes. Sexual relations are just a part of that.

Really?

That's kinda funny. Lol

 

[Bedoop]

That's a bit of an overreaction based off of one game that everyone can agree was a flop. And even then, Ultra Smash is only a flop in the sense that it doesn't have the content to justify being sold at full price and they have not promised regular content updates (a la Splatoon). Otherwise, the game has been praised for still having really satisfying and surprisingly deep tennis mechanics, as well as great visuals. It's just that the game feels more like "a solid, €20 game from an upcoming and talented indie studio", rather than a €60 Nintendo licensed game.

I hear that Camelot's B-Team handles the Tennis games though, while their A-Team handle the Golf games. So comparing the Tennis and Golf games isn't even a fair comparison as the A-Team has far more to work with.

I honestly don't play the Mario Sports games but they are the sort of game where it's really easy to see if they are worth it or not, and in the case of World Tour, it's definitely a quality title. I hear it has twice the content the Gamecube one had, and that's BEFORE you get any DLC for it. And you could even customise your Mii and stuff in it like in Smash.

Oh, and the celebration animations are by far some of the best things to come out of the Mario series in recent years. So much love and care put into them.

Upon an Eagle, or a Hole in One:

-Mario commits murder
-Waluigi becomes fabulous
-Birdo snogs the camera
-Nabbit runs across a NSMBU level with a HUD and everything
-Rosalina tears time and space asunder with actual identifiable galaxies from the Galaxy games in the background, and summons almost every variation of a Luma from the Galaxy games to her side

The Double Bogey animations are also wonderful.

Examples;

-Mario gets hit, and turns into Small Mario
-Gold Mario gets hit, and turns into Super Mario (really lovely touch)
-Waluigi falls into one of those comical "GET OUT" holes
-Kamek's. That is all.

 

[Naoshi]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't see blatant sexual pandering as mature. It feels like the complete opposite to me.

All I could say is that I've seen it almost destroyed a franchise before when they got rid of fanservice for one game.(KoF 12, though to be fair that game just lacked content in general.) It could be pretty damaging.

Most if not all of the complaints I hear regarding KoF12 was the lack of content. Mai aside, I didn't hear much about the lack of fanservice.

I think removing fanservice can only being really potentially damaging to franchises that relied on them in the first place such as Bayonetta. I think FE can get by fine without such pandering IMO

 

[Pokechu]

To be fair, Awakening was far more tasteful, there wasn't really anything that set off any red flags other than everything having to do with Nowi.

Oh and Aversa.

Aversa I get

but Nowi? What's wrong with her? Is it because she shows a bit of belly? :^(

 

[Deleted member]

Really? Almost all the negativity I hear about KoF12 was the lack of Mai (despite being ms. fanservice, she is a series' staple) and the lack of content.

I think removing fanservice can only being really potentially damaging to franchises that relied on them in the first place such as Bayonetta. I think FE can get by fine without such pandering IMO

Nah, I agree. You said what I was trying to say, but just better in every conceivable way. Unsurprisingly. Though I said that because the lack of boobs in general was something I always heard as a complaint about it, but maybe that's just me. I agree that FE would still survive without it. Unless it were to somehow become really dependent on it.

 

[KenboCalrissian]

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-ne...heads-to-smartphone-version-of-monster-hunter

Where does it end?

I... I don't... how did this happen? I feel like three things that don't go together stumbled their way into an episode of 'Will It Blend?'

 

[IceBreakerXY]

I picked up awakening last summer because I heard nothing but good things about hell I didn't even realize tiki and nowi was suppose to be fanservice until you guys pointed it out. Hell outside some characters and a few DLC maps it doesn't have much fan service.Fan service isn't a big deal until someone big deal if it doesn't take away from anything why be mad and fussy.it's stupid

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't see blatant sexual pandering as mature. It feels like the complete opposite to me.

Well it definitely can't be considered family friendly...

At least not when it's blatant, anyway...

 

[Chrono.]

Most if not all of the complaints I hear regarding KoF12 was the lack of content. Mai aside, I didn't hear much about the lack of fanservice.

KoF12 was... it was weird.

While the visuals were amazing, the camera was really zoomed in on the fighters and it felt pretty cramped. The new mechanics were off (and they didn't even return in 13), there were only like 5 arenas, barely any characters, no teams, no final boss, super generic soundtrack (only one of the KoF staples returned), terribad netcode.

The whole game screamed "EXPERIMENTAL".