Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Aetheri]

My predictions as of now for the final starter typings...

Rowlet-Grass/Flying...surprise surprise, it could be possible for it to change typings as it evolves but it's unlikely...it's rather rare for it to happen in general and so far has only happened once with starters and that was because of Mega evolution...

Litten-Fire/Dark....in addition to being black, there's the whole 'black cat brings bad luck' motif it has going on as well, which suits the Dark type to a tee, Purrloin didn't really do the black cat concept justice but the potential is there for Litten, not to mention it's ties to poison also coincides with other Dark types who also have access to various poison type moves, such as greninja, pangoro, scrafty, krookodile, houndoom, etc...there's also the fact that Tigers are heavily feared by many in East Asia, for good reason as they have killed many people over there, so that could give a good reason for them to be seen as 'evil'...yes, this is assuming it'll evolve into a Tiger which I'm very confident it will...

Popplio-Water/Fairy...whimsical clown sea lion, sounds like a fairy to me...Mr. mime gives us precedence for clowns becoming fairies...so it just makes sense...Popplio's playful nature also fits the Fairy typing...I also think Pure Water is a possibility, depending on where they go with his concept...

 

[Ivander]

Well.
Now that the initial hype is a bit worked up, I'll post my opinions with the 5 new Pokemon we've seen in Gen VII.

Spoiler

Rowlett: I haven't caught the raw "cute" hype like the others. Actually starting dual type is a bit of a shock. It truly being a grass/flying and presumably for the full line makes me since over the mere thought of Ice Shard. The "Leafage" move... is one I'm very curious in how it's going to be put. It seems like Absorb as an analogue to ember and water gun seemed fine for special and vine whip was about on par.

Litten: (The True Choice) I truly hope that it gets more "emotional" in its evolutions. Presumably it DOES go hybrid, I truly hope Dark over Poison. Avoid that obvious quad weakness to ground and it has the hopes of become a bit greater of a potential version of Houndoom, a pokemon I've always liked but was never really in line to pick up for any game's team.

Popplio: Man. To me this is the least interesting water type yet. There's just nothing that grabs me in the design and honestly I'm just hoping they stray far from Fairy so that hopefully in the future we can see it done with something that fits... a bit more naturally, y'know? Slapping the fairy type onto Popplio would feel like it being on Mr. Mime. I'd far prefer something that HAS that kind of pixie-ish design have the typing.

Solgaleo: Ehn Apollomon's Better/10. Pretty much feels like "A Legendary Pyroar."

Lunaala: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHN. IT just feels like... a "busy" design that doesn't seem that interesting with me. Plus it's... basically a bat with a cosmic pattern in the underside of its wingspan that got crossbred with jewelry. I was REALLY hoping for some like killer looking slender rabbit creature to offset the Lion.

So, Dianamon or one of it's previous Digivolutions.

Spoiler

Rowlet: To get this ahead, I like the designs of all 3 starters. Also the little bowtie helps. That being said, Grass/Flying is definitely a harsh typing defensive-wise, especially to Ice and Fire. But the fact that it can STAB against Water and Fighting(and also Rock and Ground) has potential depending on what it's moves are.

Litten: Kitties!!!!!! That aside, if it does have a second typing, I hope it's got good moves to back them up.

Popplio: Why are people against this one? I mean, I know it has a big nose, but still. How could you ignore the pompous attitude it has and how it just stands up all proud? I might have to give the little guy a hand if people are still against him.

Sogaleo: Looks cool, but nothing too special.

Lunalia: I was always hoping that Moon's Legendary was a bat and I like Lunalia's design. Still, thinking of it now, I'm sorta glad that they didn't do the Moon Rabbit as a base for Moon's Legendary. I mean, I'm not against a reference to the Moon Rabbit, but at the same time, the Moon Rabbit gets used and referenced a whole lot. Also, as I said, Digimon already did with the Moon Rabbit in opposite of the Sun Lion Digimon.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I kind of think that Popplio's fully evolved form will be Water/Psychic. It could utilize psychic powers to control the water balloons that it creates, which can enable it to be very acrobatic during a battle.

As for Litten, its final form being Fire/Dark would at least give it a fighting chance against Popplio's final form; Dark's strength against Psychic would balance out Water's strength against Fire.

 

[Burruni]

So, Dianamon or one of it's previous Digivolutions.

Spoiler

Rowlet: To get this ahead, I like the designs of all 3 starters. Also the little bowtie helps. That being said, Grass/Flying is definitely a harsh typing defensive-wise, especially to Ice and Fire. But the fact that it can STAB against Water and Fighting(and also Rock and Ground) has potential depending on what it's moves are.

Litten: Kitties!!!!!! That aside, if it does have a second typing, I hope it's got good moves to back them up.

Popplio: Why are people against this one? I mean, I know it has a big nose, but still. How could you ignore the pompous attitude it has and how it just stands up all proud? I might have to give the little guy a hand if people are still against him.

Sogaleo: Looks cool, but nothing too special.

Lunalia: I was always hoping that Moon's Legendary was a bat and I like Lunalia's design. Still, thinking of it now, I'm sorta glad that they didn't do the Moon Rabbit as a base for Moon's Legendary. I mean, I'm not against a reference to the Moon Rabbit, but at the same time, the Moon Rabbit gets used and referenced a whole lot. Also, as I said, Digimon already did with the Moon Rabbit in opposite of the Sun Lion Digimon.

I want a good Rabbit Pokemon and my two big hopes on that were a Moon-based legendary and the eventual Year of the Hare fire starter.

Edit: And yes Apollomon vs Dianamon is just a better version of Solgaleo vs Lunalia imo

 

[Chrono.]

I'm more curious as to what the third legendary mon will be.

Maybe something based on Earth?

 

[Aetheri]

So, Dianamon or one of it's previous Digivolutions.

Spoiler

Rowlet: To get this ahead, I like the designs of all 3 starters. Also the little bowtie helps. That being said, Grass/Flying is definitely a harsh typing defensive-wise, especially to Ice and Fire. But the fact that it can STAB against Water and Fighting(and also Rock and Ground) has potential depending on what it's moves are.

Litten: Kitties!!!!!! That aside, if it does have a second typing, I hope it's got good moves to back them up.

Popplio: Why are people against this one? I mean, I know it has a big nose, but still. How could you ignore the pompous attitude it has and how it just stands up all proud? I might have to give the little guy a hand if people are still against him.

Sogaleo: Looks cool, but nothing too special.

Lunalia: I was always hoping that Moon's Legendary was a bat and I like Lunalia's design. Still, thinking of it now, I'm sorta glad that they didn't do the Moon Rabbit as a base for Moon's Legendary. I mean, I'm not against a reference to the Moon Rabbit, but at the same time, the Moon Rabbit gets used and referenced a whole lot. Also, as I said, Digimon already did with the Moon Rabbit in opposite of the Sun Lion Digimon.

It is possible that Magearna actually references the Moon Rabbit in it's design...the Rabbit bit is obvious with it's 'ears' but it also has a round symbol that resembles the moon on it's forehead...also it's ears are kinda cresent moon shaped...
AND, the central body segment slightly resembles a Moon phase watch...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's still possible. There is also the striking ressamblance between the marking in his face plus his eyes and the alchemical symbol for sulfur.

That being said, I can also easily see him by fire/dark.

Either that or maybe water/fighting, because is athletic and all.

Sulfur is associated with hell

Hell is dark

 

[_Silver_]

Was my post about the faces of a fictional owl on some bushes that amusing to some of you

 

[Bananija]

Sulfur is associated with hell

Hell is dark

Sulfur is also poisonous.

Hell is also fire (which we already knew)

Right one I would say Litten dual types chance are, in order of likeliness :

• Fire/Dark
• Fire/Poison
• Fire/Rock
• Fire/Other

Dark and Poison are the two most likely, with Dark being the most likely of the two. Poison is still a good contender nevertheless.

On this I wish you all a good night.

 

[_Silver_]

Sulfur is also poisonous.

Hell is also fire (which we already knew)

Right one I would say Litten dual types chance are, in order of likeliness :

• Fire/Dark
• Fire/Poison
• Fire/Rock
• Fire/Other

Dark and Poison are the two most likely, with Dark being the most likely of the two. Poison is still a good contender nevertheless.

On this I wish you all a good night.

Fire and Rock?

Explain.

 

[Ivander]

I want a good Rabbit Pokemon and my two big hopes on that were a Moon-based legendary and the eventual Year of the Hare fire starter.

Edit: And yes Apollomon vs Dianamon is just a better version of Solgaleo vs Lunalia imo

Got to have that Fire/Fighting Kickboxer Rabbit Pokemon.
I'm just waiting for that Fire Snake.

It is possible that Magearna actually references the Moon Rabbit in it's design...the Rabbit bit is obvious with it's 'ears' but it also has a round symbol that resembles the moon on it's forehead...also it's ears are kinda cresent moon shaped...
AND, the central body segment slightly resembles a Moon phase watch...

At the very least, that's not an obvious reference, not like if you made the Moon Legendary a rabbit.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Fire/Poison or Poison/Fire has yet to happen, while Fire/Dark has. I'd rather it be Fire/Poison to be more unique. Sulfur still fits for Poison regardless.

 

[_Silver_]

Still waiting on a Dolphin Pokemon.

Maybe a bandicoot or Koala while we're at it.

 

[Burruni]

Still waiting on a Dolphin Pokemon.

Maybe a bandicoot or Koala while we're at it.

#Cresh4Alola

 

[Aetheri]

Got to have that Fire/Fighting Kickboxer Rabbit Pokemon.
I'm just waiting for that Fire Snake.

At the very least, that's not an obvious reference, not like if you made the Moon Legendary a rabbit.

A Fire snake would be neat...perhaps Fire/Dragon

...but yeah I know what you mean, your talking about an actual Moon Rabbit...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm going to do a write up on why I don't think it's poison when I get home.

Sulfur's symbolic associations lead me to believe it's not

Besides, fire/ poison would die from earthquake

 

[_Silver_]

#Cresh4Alola

sohnee pls

gaemfrik pls

nentindough pls

 

[Chrono.]

I'm going to do a write up on why I don't think it's poison when I get home.

Sulfur's symbolic associations lead me to believe it's not

Besides, fire/ poison would die from earthquake

Didn't stop them from making Zard 4x weak to rocks.

Though I guess that was back when GF had even less of a sense of balance.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Example

A symbol for the alchemical elementSulfur, (Brimstone) which is spiritually analogous to the human soul. Alchemically, sulfur has the qualities of masculine, hot and dry. Combined with Mercury (feminine, cool and moist), the pair were considered the parents of all metals.

Alchemical drawings often portray Sulfur as the sun. (In some views, sulfur and salt are the parents of Mercury) The symbol of sulfur is often used as an identifying symbol by Satanists, due to sulphur’s historical asociation with the devil.

This glyph is often referred to incorrectly as the “pontifical cross of Satan” by Christian tract writers, due to its adoption as an emblem of Satanism by Anton LaVey in the 1960s. The emblem has no history as a symbol of Satanism outside of LaVey’s usage, and the attribution is most likely a product of anti-Catholic sentiment, as it is often compared in this context to the Catholic Pontifical Cross. A more common symbol for sulfur is a fire triangle surmounting a cross of earth:

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

And Dark/Steel dies to Fighting bad. Still a Type combo. It's not purely about competitive play. It could be either Dark or Poison. Very little is known yet. No reason to go nuts cause people have a different opinion than you. There is a point when you're taking it way too seriously.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

And Dark/Steel dies to Fighting bad. Still a Type combo. It's not purely about competitive play. It could be either Dark or Poison. Very little is known yet. No reason to go nuts cause people have a different opinion than you. There is a point when you're taking it way too seriously.

The chance of it being poison is close to nothing

You mention the alchemic symbol for sulfur/ brimstone but the use the random fact it's poisonous without digging any deeper into the alchemic symbol

 

[Chrono.]

Fire/Poison is an awful combo.

Not that Fire/Dark is much better, but I'd rather not have 4x weakness to Earthquake.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The chance of it being poison is close to nothing

You mention the alchemic symbol for sulfur/ brimstone but the use the random fact it's poisonous without digging any deeper into the alchemic symbol

I never mentioned any symbols. I said that since Sulfur has a possible relation to it, it could also be Poison instead. Sulfur is more or less a chemical/air-based compound, if I remember what I learned correctly. Being an unused combination makes it more appealing than the already used Fire/Dark. Likewise, this is why a pure Flying type got people happy. It was the only type that always combined with something. It was nice to see. Variety is liked a lot

That said, you definitely are fighting over this a bit too hard. It would be best if you just let it go and see what happens. For all we know, it could be a pure Fire for the entire line. It doesn't have to get Poison or Dark. Or anything else extra.

 

[Aetheri]

For the record, type match-ups are far from determining factors for a Pokemon's typings...

Otherwise Game Freak would've likely given Aurorus a better typing than Rock/Ice which is arguably one of the worst type combinations, period...when it comes to making pokemon it's pretty much starts off with the Pokemon's concept...

Litten can work as a Fire/Poison type, it is a unique typing and I could see it hacking out flammable gasses and poison that it can ignite with it's fire...

However, the whole 'black cat' motif paired with a Tiger's malicious nature has me thinking that Fire/Dark is the more likely combination for Litten when it evolves...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I never mentioned any symbols. I said that since Sulfur has a possible relation to it, it could also be Poison instead. Sulfur is more or less a chemical/air-based compound, if I remember what I learned correctly. Being an unused combination makes it more appealing than the already used Fire/Dark. Likewise, this is why a pure Flying type got people happy. It was the only type that always combined with something. It was nice to see. Variety is liked a lot

That said, you definitely are fighting over this a bit too hard. It would be best if you just let it go and see what happens. For all we know, it could be a pure Fire for the entire line. It doesn't have to get Poison or Dark. Or anything else extra.

Well, it's just that when people say fire and brimstone, my first though goes to hell, not poison.

 

[Arcanir]

I think Aurorus could've worked if they built it more as a sweeper rather then a bulky attacker. The former wouldn't be phenomenal since priority exists, but at least it gives it a chance to use both of its great offensive typings in battle. It being a slow, bulky attacker dooms it on arrival since it's basically a sitting duck for the next attack, and 9 times out of 10, it's going to faint since it has too many weaknesses to deal with.

As for Litten, I definitely think Fire/Dark is the more likely of the bunch, mostly because it's aloof and potentially cold personality would go well with the typical archetype. Poison can work, though I'm not sure I subscribe to the sulfur theory just yet (it could just be plain stripes). Fire/Rock... Keep that typing as far away from the kitten as possible, Magcargo's suffering should never be shared by another living being.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Brimstone... is also related to Rock too. My point was, there's more than one way to interpret it. Don't get me wrong, Fire and Dark make sense too. I never was implying otherwise. I think Fire/Poison would be a neat combination too. If Sulfur is more the base, then I'd say Poison is a better choice. Brimstone works either for Rock or Dark.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If the seal goes fighting

A rock/ flying/ fighting circle could happen

 

[Retroend]

Everyone else right now:

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man the pokemon community is really judgmental. while i'm not picking popplio, he's adorable in his own right. hopefully his evolutions will prove the haters wrong.

 

[vaanrose]

If the seal goes fighting

A rock/ flying/ fighting circle could happen

I know spheal already evolved into a walrus, so it's kind of tred territory, but a water/fighting walrus mon would be sweet. Big ol' tusks.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Words can't describe how much I love Samon the Summoner.

This could be the Majin Tantei Nogami Neuro sequel that no one wanted, but turns out good. Except it's more of a supernatural comedy of a summoner that wants to raise hell and make the purest girl's life miserable.

 

[Radical Bones]

I just can't see Popplio becoming Fighting, especially if the clown theme continues through.

I still see Fairy or Psychic as most likely. The juggling Pokmon.

We haven't had a new Water/Psychic sinces Slowking.

Starter type match ups dont always have to be a circle. See Empoleons weakness to both Torterra and Infernape's secondary typings.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I just can't see Popplio becoming Fighting, especially if the clown theme continues through.

I still see Fairy or Psychic as most likely. The juggling Pokmon.

We haven't had a new Water/Psychic sinces Slowking.

Starter type match ups dont always have to be a circle. See Empoleons weakness to both Torterra and Infernape's secondary typings.

I know we don't have to, I Just like seeing it.

Although Empoleon turned out all right. Empoleon is probably one of my favorite water starters. 3rd favorite

 

[Aetheri]

It all comes together...

Spoiler

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I wonder.

Who'd win in a fight?

A bear or an alligator?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I wonder.

Who'd win in a fight?

A bear or an alligator?

Depends on what kind of bear and crocodile it is

Also depends if they are in water or on land

Crocodile would win in water, bear would win on land

 

[Ivander]

I wonder.

Who'd win in a fight?

A bear or an alligator?

I could imagine it being decided by where they are fighting. A bear could most likely beat an alligator on land, but not so much in the water.
Now, a bear against a hippo on the other hand....

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I could imagine it being decided by where they are fighting. A bear could most likely beat an alligator on land, but not so much in the water.
Now, a bear against a hippo on the other hand....

Hippos are one of the top deadliest animals in africa. Behind humans and potentially mosquitos

In number of human death incidents at least

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I dunno.

I think an alligator wins either way.

I'll break down my thoughts...

Bears are extremely powerful, but so are alligators. The problem is how bears mainly attack. They swipe and maul as opposed to biting. The use the strengths in their arms. Alligators attack almost exclusively by biting. Now alligators have a lot of natural armor while bears have bulk, but not armor. Alligators have incredibly powerful jaws. All it needs to do is get one good chomp at the bear's leg and the bear is now crippled and without its main method of attack. Granted bears are faster, but the bear would have to get several hits in to really damage the thing.

Am I just spouting nonsense or what?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I dunno.

I think an alligator wins either way.

I'll break down my thoughts...

Bears are extremely powerful, but so are alligators. The problem is how bears mainly attack. They swipe and maul as opposed to biting. The use the strengths in their arms. Alligators attack almost exclusively by biting. Now alligators have a lot of natural armor while bears have bulk, but not armor. Alligators have incredibly powerful jaws. All it needs to do is get one good chomp at the bear's leg and the bear is now crippled and without its main method of attack. Granted bears are faster, but the bear would have to get several hits in to really damage the thing.

Am I just spouting nonsense or what?

Alligator's are crap hunters on land. Besides, they rely on ambushing their prey and their death roll to kill

Although really you should be using like, a saltwater crocodile as the example

Saltwater croc vs kodiak or something