Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Arcanir]

Well 4chan went into chaos with these "leaks"...

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These surfaced last night(2nd ones). They supposedly match the trademark names.

They look nice, but the cat is to simple, the bird is overdesigned and nothing like an owl, seal is cool. They could be real, but they look off, and have minor errors( which legit leak have had), but the straight up attempt to copy the unova leaks also has me doubting them.

Also it's to convenient that this leaked afterwards. But we shall see. Thoughts?

I personally doubt those are real, while I can't personally describe it, something about those designs lack the character of Sugimori's typical starters.

I wouldn't mind if they were real, but I'm leaning more on the skeptical side here.

 

[TheAnvil]

Hey guys. Long time no see. I need to make sure I come here more regularly, it's really cool to see it still active. I just finished this Wolf (from Zero) sprite that I thought came out awesome.

Don't you just love his Zero look? I had to take some creative liberty with his bottom half, as his Zero model is just a head, torso and arms. I used his spikey kneepads and boots from Brawl (but the boots are recoloured to more accurately fit his costume). I gave him a buckle that matches Star Fox's buckles from Zero.

You may or may not be interested in this Star Fox Zero review that I wrote. http://sourcegaming.info/2016/04/24/star-fox-zero-review/, if you haven't already picked it up, I'd recommend it if you enjoyed the N64 one.

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I'm trying to get together an NX Smash article with other SG guys but it's proving very difficult to get people to finish their writeups o.o

 

[ChikoLad]

The ship teasing in this game is real.

(That second one is towards Link)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why would people even develop games if they don't play games themselves?...How would you know what people like in video games if you don't play yourself?

There's a reason why master chefs sample their own cooking before serving the meal...

"IT'S NOT ABOUT MAKING GAMES IT'S ABOUT ENDING PATRIARCHY CISHET SCUM" I dunno

 

[Deleted member]

Well 4chan went into chaos with these "leaks"...

Spoiler

These surfaced last night(2nd ones). They supposedly match the trademark names.

They look nice, but the cat is to simple, the bird is overdesigned and nothing like an owl, seal is cool. They could be real, but they look off, and have minor errors( which legit leak have had), but the straight up attempt to copy the unova leaks also has me doubting them.

Also it's to convenient that this leaked afterwards. But we shall see. Thoughts?

That owl thing is old as ****, it was in a leak(with two different starters than those other two) sometime after the Direct
I like the bottom ones, especially the grass bird, wouldn't mind if it was real

 

[A Distant Demon]

PS1 era spoiler tags lol

Spoiler: FFVIII

Wow Seifer was a dissapointing boss. It starts out so epic, with Raijin and Fujin doing their thing, Seifer having his tattered uniform. And then e ****ing DESTROYS Odin. Awesome. . . and then he dies to a single limit break that didn't even get any finishers.

Gilgamesh showing up was cool even though I know nothing about him.



Not as dissapointing as Bahumet who died in 2 limit breaks and only attacked once.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Damn straight.

I'm just going to pretend this is entirely out of context because otherwise it is just shameful.

 

[Burruni]

Gilgamesh showing up was cool even though I know nothing about him.

Stop and go play FF5 this damn instant

 

[Coricus]

"IT'S NOT ABOUT MAKING GAMES IT'S ABOUT ENDING PATRIARCHY CISHET SCUM" I dunno

Well the guy who posted the tweet DID say that the "Developers, not gamers" guy was in cahoots with Anita.

Said "Developers, not gamers" guy says the image was taken out of context. There's a video in the comments of the context, let me go get it. . .

https://youtu.be/c4HL4FYgRtA?t=14m31s

Fast forwarded to the relevant part.

*EDIT* Linked for a bit of language.

*EDIT EDIT* Upon watching through that part of the video twice, the context seems pretty similar to the image that was tweeted. He said "once you become a developer, you stop being a gamer" and that some of the games that inspired him most were created by people who hate video games.

Comment section is pretty quick to rush to the defense of Mr. "Developer, Not Gamer," though.

*EDIT EDIT EDIT* Watching from the beginning now, and so far his argument is, "Now that I know how video games work, I've lost the ability to enjoy playing them. Since movie directors start hating everything about movies after making them and no one complains about them, that means I should be allowed to talk about how much I don't care about video games!"

. . .No. No, that just means those movie directors had a really awful work philosophy. Who cares if what they made was good, that's still a really detached way to think, and all the examples he gives are from before social media anyway. Does he really think people would be any happier if those people were around today talking about how much they hate movies than they are about this guy saying he doesn't give a crud about video games?

And it's entirely possible to be a developer and still have passion playing video games. Look at Sakurai. This guy has just lost any concept of passion in his life and assumes that's how everyone works and should work.

*EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT* And a lot of the people in the comments are talking about a "Navy Seal Copypasta," and it turns out this guy took a meme troll post dead seriously.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Stop and go play FF5 this damn instant

I CAN'T PLAY EVERY FF AT THE SAME TIME OKAY.

I STILL HAVE 3,4,6,9,10,12,13 TO PLAY AS WELL.


THese games take time, especially when you need to Draw 20 times in a fight

 

[Kingslime304]

In Fates is promoteing my unit to Apotheary, to Merchant when my Unit's boon is speed, and his disadvantage is Res a good idea? (I also made him Ballisticain at the beginning.)

 

[Burruni]

In Fates is promoteing my unit to Apotheary, to Merchant when my Unit's boon is speed, and his disadvantage is Res a good idea? (I also made him Ballisticain at the beginning.)

No.
Because Apothecary and Merchant can't use swords.
And the varying forms of the Yato are all broken.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I CAN'T PLAY EVERY FF AT THE SAME TIME OKAY.

I STILL HAVE 3,4,6,9,10,12,13 TO PLAY AS WELL.


THese games take time, especially when you need to Draw 20 times in a fight

wtf you played the first 2 games before 4-7?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

PS1 era spoiler tags lol

Spoiler: FFVIII

Wow Seifer was a dissapointing boss. It starts out so epic, with Raijin and Fujin doing their thing, Seifer having his tattered uniform. And then e ****ing DESTROYS Odin. Awesome. . . and then he dies to a single limit break that didn't even get any finishers.

Gilgamesh showing up was cool even though I know nothing about him.



Not as dissapointing as Bahumet who died in 2 limit breaks and only attacked once.

I'm just going to pretend this is entirely out of context because otherwise it is just shameful.

Ah, FFVIII player. Game is fun, but yeah, I agree with your boss assertion. I however got myself stuck on the dual bosses you mentioned. I needed certain abilities to be trained/levels to beat them, but was stuck in the city. And Diabolos was too weak to deal enough damage at the time.

Never got further than that. D:

 

[Kingslime304]

No.
Because Apothecary and Merchant can't use swords.
And the varying forms of the Yato are all broken.

Better promote then to Nohr Noble in that case.

 

[Burruni]

wtf you played the first 2 games before 4-7?

I still have yet to play 2 and 3.
....And technically 13.
Because I just watched HCB play it.
But I'm not going to play 13.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I still have yet to play 2 and 3.
....And technically 13.
Because I just watched HCB play it.
But I'm not going to play 13.

But 4-7 are often considered the best! 8-10 are also pretty damn good, but 4-7 should be the starting points. Unless it's FFIVDS, that was hard as nails
>Implying 13 has value

 

[A Distant Demon]

wtf you played the first 2 games before 4-7?

I don't know what is surprising about that. I mean. . numerically first and all that.

I gave them both the old college try but gave up on them. FF1 was just . . .bland and FF2 for similar reasons but it also managed to be really slow.

But 4-7 are often considered the best! 8-10 are also pretty damn good, but 4-7 should be the starting points. Unless it's FFIVDS, that was hard as nails
>Implying 13 has value

This song alone makes it worth

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't know what is surprising about that. I mean. . numerically first and all that.

I gave them both the old college try but gave up on them. FF1 was just . . .bland and FF2 for similar reasons but it also managed to be really slow.

This song alone makes it worth

THEN WHY ARE YOU DOING 7 AND 8 INSTEAD OF 3 AND 4?
No it doesn't. ****ing Lightning man, no personality

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'd like XIII more if it wasn't hyper linear. I want halfway decent exploration of the overworld. At least be something close to Phantom Hourglass where I can choose my destination. Even if there's linear story progression(I can tolerate this), having no overworld, poor towns... ugh. Not a major fan of auto-battle either, but it can be interesting in general.

 

[Deleted member]

In Fates is promoteing my unit to Apotheary, to Merchant when my Unit's boon is speed, and his disadvantage is Res a good idea? (I also made him Ballisticain at the beginning.)

Uh, alright, lemme tell this straight to you: you ****ed up
Merchant is probably the most useless class in the whole game, even more than Kinshi Knight
I really hope you A ranked or married someone to get this talent because you potentially wasted Corrn's secondary class

No.
Because Apothecary and Merchant can't use swords.
And the varying forms of the Yato are all broken.

I'm still trying to figure out whose bright idea was to make it a Katana
Yeah, that Def/Res boost would be nice if Katanas didn't naturally reduce it

 

[Kingslime304]

Is a character in Smash bros. who buffs his/her teammates, and heal them in average percents can be balanced if it's balanced? Or maybe a character who changes his properties of his attacks depending of what direction he's in (Aka a Gill-ese character).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is a character in Smash bros. who buffs his/her teammates, and heal them in average percents can be balanced if it's balanced?.

You tell me.

It CAN work, just don't make it like Gill. Just looking at his fight made me have to take a shower

 

[Burruni]

Uh, alright, lemme tell this straight to you: you ****ed up
Merchant is probably the most useless class in the whole game, even more than Kinshi Knight
I really hope you A ranked or married someone to get this talent because you potentially wasted Corrn's secondary class

I'm still trying to figure out whose bright idea was to make it a Katana
Yeah, that Def/Res boost would be nice if Katanas didn't naturally reduce it

It's meant to nullify/mitigate (depending on the stage) the natural loss by being a Katana and further keep the boost to Speed, making it so contrasted to the Dragonstone.

Also it IS Hoshidan by nature so there's your lore reason for it.

Why the sword Garon gives you for the prologue is a katana is the bigger question

Uh, alright, lemme tell this straight to you: you ****ed up
Merchant is probably the most useless class in the whole game, even more than Kinshi Knight

Forgot to respond to this part.
Kinshi Knight is an absurd class I don't know what the hell you're talking about. It's an amazing anti-flier flier. Especially with a shortbow.

 

[Coricus]

But 4-7 are often considered the best! 8-10 are also pretty damn good, but 4-7 should be the starting points. Unless it's FFIVDS, that was hard as nails
>Implying 13 has value

The one I played is the hard one?

Oh goodie. I did my "restart partway through" song and dance a couple times on it and took a couple years of borrowing it and giving it back before I really got in the mood, but I beat it. Didn't go far enough into a second playthrough to do the bonus bosses and the one time I got a Tail I ended up getting my party wiped right after (It was a Black Tail, too, gosh freaking darnit. It was bad enough without it having been one of the hardest enemies in the game!!), but I beat it.

I like knowing that I might be able to steamroll the others if I ever try them.

 

[Burruni]

The one I played is the hard one?

Oh goodie. I did my "restart partway through" song and dance a couple times on it and took a couple years of borrowing it and giving it back before I really got in the mood, but I beat it. Didn't go far enough into a second playthrough to do the bonus bosses and the one time I got a Tail I ended up getting my party wiped right after (It was a Black Tail, too, gosh freaking darnit. It was bad enough without it having been one of the hardest enemies in the game!!), but I beat it.

I like knowing that I might be able to steamroll the others if I ever try them.

Some of what particularly made FF4DS harder was...

A) Stop wasn't as brokenly usable on most bosses.
B) Boss AI was tweaked, alongside some weaknesses.
C) Black Magic got nerfed hard.

 

[Deleted member]

It's meant to nullify/mitigate (depending on the stage) the natural loss by being a Katana and further keep the boost to Speed, making it so contrasted to the Dragonstone.

Also it IS Hoshidan by nature so there's your lore reason for it.

Why the sword Garon gives you for the prologue is a katana is the bigger question

Wait, Ganglari was a Katana? I never noticed that
But I'd prefer to have +1 in Def/Res rather than +1 in Spd, my Corrin is already a damn Swordmaster, speed is the last of her problems

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The one I played is the hard one?

Oh goodie. I did my "restart partway through" song and dance a couple times on it and took a couple years of borrowing it and giving it back before I really got in the mood, but I beat it. Didn't go far enough into a second playthrough to do the bonus bosses and the one time I got a Tail I ended up getting my party wiped right after (It was a Black Tail, too, gosh freaking darnit. It was bad enough without it having been one of the hardest enemies in the game!!), but I beat it.

I like knowing that I might be able to steamroll the others if I ever try them.

Some of what particularly made FF4DS harder was...

A) Stop wasn't as brokenly usable on most bosses.
B) Boss AI was tweaked, alongside some weaknesses.
C) Black Magic got nerfed hard.

Also. Bahamut was an absolute joke in 4. Takes 5 turns to do it's only attack. And you can reflect it

 

[Kingslime304]

Okay, I'm making my 3rd file because I messed up my Unit. My new unit still has Quick, and Excitable. Which talent do I need (Other than Samurai for Obv. reasons).

 

[Burruni]

Also. Bahamut was an absolute joke in 4. Takes 5 turns to do it's only attack. And you can reflect it

FFRK made that fight seem far more intimidating.
Because on turn 4 he'd cast reflect on himself, and turn 5 mega flare himself, causing it to be a PIERCING nuke.
And then you realize you have Dispel.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

The Jungle Book was pretty enjoyable, though it didn't really blow me away.

 

[Deleted member]

Forgot to respond to this part.
Kinshi Knight is an absurd class I don't know what the hell you're talking about. It's an amazing anti-flier flier. Especially with a shortbow.

Uh, yeah, no
All it has are good skills, its caps are terrible and it's completely outclassed by the other shared promotions
Also due to how Weapon Ranks work in Fates, only Archers can fully take advantage of its gimmick
Besides, all you need is a Bow to kill flying units, not a whole separate class

 

[ChikoLad]

No it doesn't. ****ing Lightning man, no personality

I mean under dictionary definition, she definitely does.

The whole point of the story, if you actually play it, is to see her go from cold hard ***** (who's still fun to watch because she's a badass), to basically becoming a mom.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean under dictionary definition, she definitely does.

The whole point of the story, if you actually play it, is to see her go from cold hard ***** (who's still fun to watch because she's a badass), to basically becoming a mom.

So...That Snow(?) guy knocked her up? It explains why Lightning's bust grows

 

[Kingslime304]

Two things I want to ask: Does anyone want a Fist Fighting class in Fire Emblem, and which reskinned Hoshido class feels the most unique?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Two things I want to ask: Does anyone want a Fist Fighting class in Fire Emblem, and which reskinned Hoshido class feels the most unique?

Weapon Durability was removed, so I see no reason why it shouldn't exist. Hell, that'd actually be great when the weight system was still there.
Still got a month before my country gets Fates, so I can't answer

 

[Deleted member]

Hi @BKupa666.

I can see you -

 

[Kingslime304]

Weapon Durability was removed, so I see no reason why it shouldn't exist. Hell, that'd actually be great when the weight system was still there.
Still got a month before my country gets Fates, so I can't answer

Yes, especially since it has HOSHIDO! A place that is more of Japanese, a Martial Artist class would make sense for fates, especially since Faceless also are fist fighters.

 

[Coricus]

Some of what particularly made FF4DS harder was...

A) Stop wasn't as brokenly usable on most bosses.
B) Boss AI was tweaked, alongside some weaknesses.
C) Black Magic got nerfed hard.

So basically because I noticed Stop wasn't working on bosses and avoided it, it paid off?

. . .TBH, I think I remember sitting down and reading strategy guides for the game a lot, so that was probably why the bosses didn't completely destroy me (I.E. I cheated). Then again, I don't have the patience for cookie cutter strategies, so aside from avoiding what the FAQs said would get me countered I'd typically just wing it. Expecting complex multilayer strategy? Too bad, Haste and Reflect blanket casting time!

Hahahaha, I suck at games. . .

Also. Bahamut was an absolute joke in 4. Takes 5 turns to do it's only attack. And you can reflect it

LOL I hardly even remember fighting Bahamut. I think it says something when most of the midgame bosses terrified me more than he ended up doing. And the minibosses on my way up to him too, actually. That were later shrugworthy normal enemies in the final area.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

So we're on the subject of Anti-Cloud(Lightning)?

The way her story is handled was at least done better than Other M (even if it was weaker in comparison to previously beloved games like VI and VII). And I've come to terms that the XIII saga is pretty overhated as of now.

 

[Deleted member]

Two things I want to ask: Does anyone want a Fist Fighting class in Fire Emblem, and which reskinned Hoshido class feels the most unique?

We do have one already... just not playable
Unless you count Charlotte
And I don't like the reskinned classes, they're either still the same(Swordmaster and Pegasus) or just plain bad(Onmyoji, a reskin of Sage)
I do like the new Lance classes, especially Spear Fighter

Weapon Durability was removed, so I see no reason why it shouldn't exist. Hell, that'd actually be great when the weight system was still there.
Still got a month before my country gets Fates, so I can't answer

Remember when weight was a thing? Yeah I wish I didn't
Don't you love when characters are slowed down by their signature weapons?