Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Deleted member]

I think Golden might be joking. Because that was definitely not a fan rule as Sakurai has already stated such a thing himself.

I am joking, but he actually did not say that. Read my previous post.

 

[Das Koopa]

Speaking of things removed in NA/EU: Prepare for tons of cut content from Fates.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No, that was another fan rule.
What he actually said was that manga characters would not be in Brawl.

If people can use the fact he didn't say guests HAD to be on a Nintendo system for Master Chief, I can use the fact he didn't say guests HAD to originate in a video game for Goku.
You people are playing with a double-edged sword.

That interview was exclusive for Brawl?

 

[Naoshi]

I am joking, but he actually did not say that. Read my previous post.

Eh, judging by his reactions regarding Spongebob and Goku requests for Smash 4 DLC. I am very certain he still has it in his mind.

 

[Solfiner]

Let's be real, the characters back is gonna be towards the screen for the most part. I don't think having no breast slider is a big deal, most character creators don't include it to begin with. The main two I can think of are Soul Calibur and Saints Row.

This also affects nothing gameplay wise, it's a minor cosmetic thing.

 

[Dravidian]

ORI ISN'T INDIE
MICROSOFT OWNS THE IP
WHAT

Iirc, it was an indie title, but microsoft picked it up and funded it.

 

[FalKoopa]

Speaking of things removed in NA/EU: Prepare for tons of cut content from Fates.

More curtains?

 

[Kenith]

I'll be honest: I can understand why they removed Lin's fanservice outfits, but I think the removal of the breast slider is a bit too much given women can naturally have different breast sizes.

I'm still getting the game, though. I just don't agree with some of the changes. I wonder if dealing with age rating boards (ESRB, PEGI) had an impact on the changes. Perhaps, they were aiming for a T/12+ rating and had to remove features to meet that objective? This is something to ponder.

This is the first time I disagree with one of the changes in XCX. I think this is a bit excessive. However, I feel it's not a deal breaker and I'm sure the game will still be enjoyable.

No, it's purely a catering to overseas audiences thing.
Half-nude minors and breast sliders are in plenty of games that get localized.
The former is not something I'm proud of knowing, FYI. Soulcalibur Lost Swords oversteps some boundaries.

(if you want to know what I mean, look up Amy's costumes in this ****ty excuse of a Soulcalibur game. She's like 13!!!)

 

[Spazzy_D]

For those asking about Dragon's Quest..... the series has a "Marth."

Dragon's Quest for the NES, the first game in the series, had a singular protagonist:

Erdrick

 

[Das Koopa]

More curtains?

rated L for Lewd

 

[DeathFox137]

I think most people missed the point of Cloud being in Smash. Cloud may not be a Nintendo character for starters, but think back then when Final Fantasy was first started. It started on Nintendo, so it kind of makes sense for Nintendo to put something like this in here come to think of it. Cloud is in because they needed someone to rep Final Fantasy. Either that, or it could be a throwback to FFVII or we can get a remake for FFVII on NX. Or it can promote FFVII in general. Possibilities are just endless.

 

[Deleted member]

Getting the biggest icons in gaming including Master Chief would be incredible, more so than Mario vs. Sonic vs. Pac-Man vs. Mega Man.

So there's Master Chief representing Microsoft. Who would represent Sony though? The obscure cat named Toro (which is their mascot in Japan)?

 

[Frostwraith]

Speaking of things removed in NA/EU: Prepare for tons of cut content from Fates.

It won't be surprising. That game will have some of the fanservice content removed.

Honestly, it's a double-edged sword. I think this may have a lot to do with the age ratings and not wanting to have M/18+ rated games.

The main two I can think of are Soul Calibur and Saints Row.

Aren't those games rated above T/12+?

Honestly, I feel this is the main factor for the removal of certain features in Xenoblade X.

This also affects nothing gameplay wise, it's a minor cosmetic thing.

True. Hence why I said it's not a deal breaker.

 

[Nirbion]

Here you go. Credit to @Warchamp7

AAAH, thank you VERY much. And also @Warchamp7 for creating that render. Very good work!

 

[Deleted member]

That interview was exclusive for Brawl?

The only times he discussed about anything close to non-video game characters not being acceptable was prior to Smash 4.
One of which being back in Smash 64's questionnaire where he talks about ALL non-Nintendo owned characters being "impossible", using Thomas from Kung-Fu as one of the examples due to licensing costs.

He has openly discussed about Goku and SpongeBob being bizarre requests on Miiverse, though. Yet he's only directly mentioned SpongeBob as being "impossible" in that none of his games were released overseas to Japan (which actually isn't true, but it was only like one or two forgettable ones).

Ergo, I have enough room to mock the concept of Master Chief using Goku as a counterexample.

 

[Dravidian]

So, I heard the breast size slider for female avatar customization in XCX got removed in the Western version...

I can feel a storm brewing.

Eh, would have been nice, but I'm not bothered. It doesnt stop it from being an enjoyably game. Plus there's always Elma.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So there's Master Chief representing Microsoft. Who would represent Sony though? The obscure cat named Toro (which is their mascot in Japan)?

Cloud and Snake IMO would represent the side of Sony very well.

 

[Dravidian]

OH NO MY GAMEPLAY DEPTH IS GONE

First they take away the story.
Now they've taken away the plot!

 

[Das Koopa]

Final Fantasy 1 on the NES/Famicom literally saved Square Soft.... If that game hadn't succeeded the company would have gone under. Square (and Enix) had some of the top selling and highest rated games on the SNES, and SE still has a very wtrong presense on Nintendo handhelds. Square, unlike Konami and Capcom, remained a Nintendo exclusive publisher during the 16 bit era.

Huge history between FF and Nintendo.

Yeah, I think the point in my post (and in general) is that Final Fantasy is important to Nintendo, but Cloud isn't. Yet, Cloud is representative of the entire franchise at this point, so he gets dat port priority.

Fair inclusion imo

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm going to try and look at CLoud's moveset
jabs: those three consecutive strikes
fair, nair, bair, bthrow: Ike
Uair: Ike's Utilt
Utilt: The overhead slash used against Sonic
Ftilt: The slash used against Pit
dtilt: Slide
Dair: The Meteor Smash
Fsmash: The mightly slash used on Shulk angled up
Dsmash: Used on Little Mac
Fsmash: Either exclusive to alt or not angled
Dash attack: tackle
B: Kanji slash thingu
Side B: sword beam
Up b: Air Slash, seems to be able to function like Aether, possible Cloudside with Limit Break?
Down B: Limit Charge
Down B limit: the overhead slash

 

[Kenith]

Soulcalibur has fanservice way worse than what's in Xenoblade Chronicles X, and it's still rated Teen.
It's not the ESRB.

 

[Schnee117]

Cloud and Snake IMO would represent the side of Sony very well.

Pretty sure they mean a character owned by them rather than associated with them in which case I'd say Ratchet and Clank (IC issues aside).

 

[Arcadenik]

I am still so hyped for Cloud in Smash. But I am more hyped for Square Enix content in Smash, especially Mii costumes. These Mii costumes are what I wish to see:

Smash x Super Mario RPG

• Geno
• Mallow

Smash x Final Fantasy

• Black Mage
• Cecil Harvey
• Chocobo (confirmed)
• Cid Highwind
• Moogle
• Sephiroth
• Squall Leonhart
• Terra Branford
• Tidus
• Wakka
• White Mage
• Yuna

Smash x Dragon Quest

• Golem
• Hero (Dragon Quest 7)
• Hero (Dragon Quest 8)
• Slime
• Yangus

Smash x Chrono Trigger

• Crono
• Frog

 

[Frostwraith]

Soulcalibur has fanservice way worse than what's in Xenoblade Chronicles X, and it's still rated Teen.
It's not the ESRB.

They're rated 16+ in Europe and M in Australia.

PEGI or the Australian rating board may have had a part in this...

 

[Arcanir]

I'll be honest: I can understand why they removed Lin's fanservice outfits, but I think the removal of the breast slider is a bit too much given women can naturally have different breast sizes.

I'm still getting the game, though. I just don't agree with some of the changes. I wonder if dealing with age rating boards (ESRB, PEGI) had an impact on the changes. Perhaps, they were aiming for a T/12+ rating and had to remove features to meet that objective? This is something to ponder.

This is the first time I disagree with one of the changes in XCX. I think this is a bit excessive. However, I feel it's not a deal breaker and I'm sure the game will still be enjoyable.

Thinking about it, has there been a Breast slider in any games that are both T/12+ rated? The only games I can recall that did were M rated (Skyrim and Mortal Kombat), so it could be the case where ESRB and/or PEGI put their foot down and Nintendo had to submit.

Having said that, I agree with you in that I don't like the change, mostly because unlike Lin or aging up Elise, it's not a feature that needed to be toned down to pass by audiences. Breasts aren't inherently sexual on their own, so having the option to change that should've been left to the player to better represent themselves. It's not a deal breaker to me as I didn't plan on playing as a female avatar and it doesn't effect gameplay that much, but it's still a change that I think wasn't necessary.

 

[Deleted member]

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/...im-summon-meteors-use-omni-slash-metor-smash/

Ironic?


Also, it's a shame he's already an Assist, because you know who else was a major Brawl hack subject since the early days if not the MOST hacked?

 

[AreJay25]

Ratchet and Clank would be a perfect choice for a Sony character imo. They'd fit right in.

Parappa would be my second pick (he was a huge hit in Japan).

 

[Deleted member]

So, I heard the breast size slider for female avatar customization in XCX got removed in the Western version...

I can feel a storm brewing.

Well, we need equality and the male avatar has no breast slider

Wait...Does this mean I'm going to be flat in XCX too? Q.Q
Also, about Cloud, crossdress alt or gtfo. And this

I prefer Black Mage but this is almost as bad as refugees demanding free televisions here

I love these petitions
Like one of them is ever gonna work lol
Also

Also, about Cloud, crossdress alt or gtfo.

This is why we are friends

 

[Deleted member]

So there's Master Chief representing Microsoft. Who would represent Sony though? The obscure cat named Toro (which is their mascot in Japan)?

Kratos.
******* likes to make cross-over appearances.

 

[Chrono.]

They're rated 16+ in Europe and M in Australia.

PEGI or the Australian rating board may have had a part in this...

The Australian rating board is rather harsh I hear.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/...im-summon-meteors-use-omni-slash-metor-smash/

Ironic?


Also, it's a shame he's already an Assist, because you know who else was a major Brawl hack subject since the early days if not the MOST hacked?

I'd actually like Shadow if he's different enough, which should be easy considering Sonic Battle exists

Also screw Australia for being a bunch of big nellies

 

[A Distant Demon]

removing a breast slider?
okay nintendo. okay.

I
fair, bair Ike

Those definitely are different form Ike




If we're getting a Sony rep it's Crash. He's Sony's Sonic and he has plenty of Nintendo games. he fits better than anyone else.

 

[Solfiner]

Aren't those games rated above T/12+?

Yeah, they are.

I had no issue with the slider personally (except the max size looked really ridiculous and unnatural) but I can see why they removed it.

 

[Dravidian]

Soulcalibur has fanservice way worse than what's in Xenoblade Chronicles X, and it's still rated Teen.
It's not the ESRB.

It actually depends on the descriptions of the ratings as well as how many there are iirc.

That said I don't understand why you seem to be defending Lin's japanese attire, but feel Amy's went too far. (I dont know how old she is, I just know she's a vampire without a specified age)

Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's the impression I'm getting.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

removing a breast slider?
okay nintendo. okay.



Those definitely are different form Ike




If we're getting a Sony rep it's Crash. He's Sony's Sonic and he has plenty of Nintendo games. he fits better than anyone else.

Look similar enough to me tbh

 

[Schnee117]

If we're getting a Sony rep it's Crash. He's Sony's Sonic and he has plenty of Nintendo games. he fits better than anyone else.

But y'know Activision kinda own his grave now.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Look similar enough to me tbh

fair
Ike- slash
Cloud- much faster. spikes

Bair
ike- one handed slash
Cloud-two handed

But y'know Activision kinda own his grave now.

At least he has a grave instead of being a zombie like Spyro. . .

 

[aldelaro5]

even more paper jam stuff, but there;s not much:

http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/246754-mario-luigi-paper-jam-more-details

Some of these are new, some aren;t.

what interest me is luigi has a rendition of the luigi mansion theme at the beginning. He is chassing a stray mouse before knockning that book (thta book has to have a past btw, we hear it so many times).

And the bowser's castle is always seen at the distance, this is grreat because this is where SS failed while spm suceeded with its void.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd actually like Shadow if he's different enough, which should be easy considering Sonic Battle exists

Shadow should have *some* similarities, i.e. Side Special and possibly Neutral Special (though can be altered to work like......Sonic 06.....), but be for the most part different utilizing an aggressive fighting style that suits him more.

 

[Arcadenik]

Kratos.
******* likes to make cross-over appearances.

Be still my heart!!

Kratos would have to be the only Sony character I would hype over. I really enjoyed God of War games!! Though his killing moves would have to be toned down.

Same with Mortal Kombat characters (Scorpion and Sub-Zero please!)