Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[BluePikmin11]

I'm not going to bother with the RTC, because two things:

1. It's too early to say anything, no matter how good the situation is for some newcomers, things can easily change.

2. And when things easily change, they can back fire. Spending years giving certain characters a great chance only to realize things changed could be time totally wasted for speculating. I rather wait till its near.

I had enough evaluation of characters chances for one day. I need a break from it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What's this now about Geno?

 

[Aetheri]

So anybody think we'll get Zelda news tomorrow (since it'll be the first game's 30th anniversary)?

I'm expecting something but nothing big.

I've learned to never expect anything from Nintendo ever...we've done this for years and they either don't deliver or deliver something else entirely...
[still hoping for SOMETHING for Metroid's 30th when it happens, but I'm not holding my breath ]

 

[Deleted member]

>RTC.

Do you guys want me to bring all those moments.

Like that one day they rated both DR. MARIO AND BOWSER JR. in the SAME DAY and they got this rating:
Dr. Mario
6.96% chance (was 7.10% chance)

Bowser Jr.
13.81% chance (was 26.63%)


GUESS WHAT, they both got on the game.

I could go on an tell you about moments like that one time when someone gave Ryu a 0% chance rating on RTC's because he refused to believe in the leak, the pointless reratings for Mewtwo every single time (and how people thought that Greninja "replaced" Mewtwo)
and the Gematsu Leak Ratings, dear Arceus those ratings were all over the place.

I joined speculation to entretain myself while i waited for the game and it's dlc, and i'll admit, i had fun. But i will admit that part of the fun is seeing how wrong we are about the game sometimes (or all the times). I mean when you try so many times you are bound to eventually get something right.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

So Geno was actually considered for Brawl and Smash 4.

Well I'll be.

 

[Champ Gold]

You wanna know the absolute truly shoo-ins for Smash 5?


Here's a secret

Spoiler

 

[Wario Bros.]

HOLY ****!

Someone is making a Super Mario Sunshine remake out of Super Mario 64 DS.

The rest of this video uploader's channel shows more things he ported from Sunshine.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

RTC is actually garbage.Its nothing but a circlejerk of the popular shoo-in characters and people arguing for pity things.Its trash

 

[Luigi The President]

Me: "Isabelle and Ashley are shoo-ins"
ENTIRE THREAD: ACTUALLY NO ONE IS, Did you know ALL characters are STRICTLY SURPRISE ONLY? Also, there's 0 shoo-ins by the way, and I hate you.

 

[MainJPW]

RTC is actually garbage.Its nothing but a circlejerk of the popular shoo-in characters and people arguing for pity things.Its trash

The new one isn't like that at all.

 

[Deleted member]

Lil Mac, Palutena, arguably Villager, Shulk

All 4 of these can be easily seen as shoo-ins. Sakurai doesn't strictly go by a surprise code.

None of these were shoo-ins
Palutena was only predictable because of a (now proven fake) leak
And Shulk because people were riding the Gematsu bandwagon
Not because "it makes so much sense!"
Chrom was considered one and looked how that turned out
Ridley...
And K. Rool for both speculation periods even after his mii costumes

Come on man, that's just wishful thinking.

We all know a businessman is making it into the next game.

Yeah, I know
Totally maining them both next game

 

[Chandeelure]

I'm back!
Did I miss something important?

I hope your familiar is OK, Champ Gold .

A monster from Pan's Labyrinth.

I love that movie, that monster still scares me a little.
I still can't believe the girl chose to eat a grape instead of another more delicious thing, lol.

 

[Burruni]

You wanna know the absolute truly shoo-ins for Smash 5?


Here's a secret

Spoiler

>Doesn't include Jigglypuff

YOU WANNA EFFING GO?!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

RTC is actually garbage.Its nothing but a circlejerk of the popular shoo-in characters and people arguing for pity things.Its trash

Weren't you complaining about it not agreeing with you a while back?

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Weren't you complaining about it not agreeing with you a while back?

dont believe so,Might have me confused with someone else.I've always stated my hate for something and from my experience the RTC is trash

EDIT:Maybe i should make it clear. RTC 2.0 is trash.I wasnt around for the first one and have no opinion on the thrid one

 

[A Distant Demon]

.Its nothing but a circlejerk of the popular shoo-in characters and people arguing for pity things.

Sounds familiar

Spoiler

Me: "Isabelle and Ashley are shoo-ins"
ENTIRE THREAD: ACTUALLY NO ONE IS, Did you know ALL characters are STRICTLY SURPRISE ONLY? Also, there's 0 shoo-ins by the way, and I hate you.

Hellooooooo hyperbole

 

[Luigi The President]

Sounds familiar

Spoiler

Hellooooooo hyperbole

Yes, hello extremely obvious hyperbole I did not attempt to cover up

 

[Deleted member]

Me: "Isabelle and Ashley are shoo-ins"
ENTIRE THREAD: ACTUALLY NO ONE IS, Did you know ALL characters are STRICTLY SURPRISE ONLY? Also, there's 0 shoo-ins by the way, and I hate you.

Predictable<shoo-in
As in, shoo-in is a more strong version of it
Also

and I hate you.

No one said this
Please, stop overreacting just because we don't agree with an old speculation mindset

 

[BluePikmin11]

If people generally didn't like the choice they were rating, chances are they gave the character a low score and start an argument in addition.

 

[Luigi The President]

Predictable<shoo-in
As in, shoo-in is a more strong version of it
Also

No one said this
Please, stop overreacting just because we don't agree with an old speculation mindset

You know this thread sure can dish out the jokes but it can't seem to take any. I obviously didn't mean "and I hate you", as I said directly above your post it was extreme hyperbole.

 

[Champ Gold]

>Doesn't include Jigglypuff

YOU WANNA EFFING GO?!

I literally forgot about her

 

[Opossum]

None of these were shoo-ins
Palutena was only predictable because of a (now proven fake) leak
And Shulk because people were riding the Gematsu bandwagon
Not because "it makes so much sense!"
Chrom was considered one and looked how that turned out
Ridley...
And K. Rool for both speculation periods even after his mii costumes

Yeah, I know
Totally maining them both next game

Dude. People thought Little Mac and Palutena were shoo ins waaaaaay before Gematsu. They were basically part of the colloquial Smashboards "Big Five" alongside Mega Man, K. Rool, and Ridley. At least, on Smashboards they were. I'll give you Shulk though.

 

[Solfiner]

And Shulk because people were riding the Gematsu bandwagon

Not really, there were a couple of things that made Shulk seem likely pre-Gematsu.

First of all, Sakurai likes his RPG protags (Ness, Marth.) Xenoblade made quite an impact both in the East and the West so expecting the main character from the game in Smash was pretty logical. Monolithsoft has also been one of the most helpful studios Nintendo has bought, they've helped with several first party games INCLUDING Brawl. Shulk's inclusion could have easily been an homage to how helpful the studio has been.

And then Sakurai tweeted a picture of the Monado which showed that he was clearly aware of the franchise (and further proved his Anime swordsman fetish )

Xenoblade was also released during the perfect time frame of when Sakurai started choosing characters for Smash.

 

[LIQUID12A]

...You spent most of your time making this post with that second paragraph didn't you?

Hey, if I'm going to talk about something I would normally be cynical about, I'm at least going to have fun.

There's a big difference between thinking the Inkling's a shoo in for Smash 5 than there is for thinking any other character's a shoo in. But of course, calling out others for petty reasons is easier to do...


Some people think some characters are shoo ins. Deal with it. Sarcastically putting yourself above others just makes you look bad.

Let's not erupt into civil war here even with the subject matter. That's Captain America's job.

My dear red iron marsupial, in a community where people are petty enough to wish death upon others, write extremely long walls of salt talking about why the next character(s) and/or Sakurai is/are a disgrace, or say that we should boycott DLC due to one character not making it, sarcasm at said community's actions is near the bottom of the offenses chain. A lighter shade of black, if you will, because there's no denying it's a jab.

Tons of subjects in this community ridley tick me off to no end, enough to write entire, vile walls of text as to why I do. And I have, just not here. And trust me: you're not the only one to try and tell me I'm putting myself above the rest.

*SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH THIS IS MY OPINION: DON'T GET YOUR SQUIDS IN A TWIST*

I recognize the presence of rational minds here and wholeheartedly respect them. It's mainly the irrational minds that get to me. Even friends of mine have gone irrational at times and I similarly call them out. Surprisingly enough, I consider the shoo-in mentality and anyone following it to be silly regardless of the circumstance(even I have to stop myself at times, so I'm not immune to this). If a foreign opinion offends you, it's also remarkably easy to ignore it. Scroll down, pretend it isn't there. Along with your everyday posting, if you will. Happens to me a lot, and it works.

Now, regarding you specifically(because why else would you quote me if you weren't among the individuals), I still have my respect for you, mister possum. Calling out one aspect of a thought process really won't change that. If you are truly 200% mad? My apologies, since I know you are a level-headed person.

To wrap up, the shoo-in is an opinion I personally dislike, but at the end of the day, I still deal with. Done so for a long time now.
Doesn't mean I have to like it, or that I won't call it out. A begrudging acceptance, if you will.

 

[Deleted member]

You know this thread sure can dish out the jokes but it can't seem to take any. I obviously didn't mean "and I hate you", as I said directly above your post it was extreme hyperbole.

You: "Something something shoo on"
Rest of the thread: "No"
You: "**** you"
Doesn't sound like a fun joke to exaggerate someone's response...

 

[ChikoLad]

Villager was no shoo-in.
Especially since Sakurai specifically said that they didn't fit in Smash in the time of Brawl.

Shulk was only a "shoo-in" through Gematsu knowledge. Too much of the community never heard of him beforehand.

Little Mac? An assist trophy from a heavily-western rooted series? Certainly no shoo-in and was a surprise even to supporters.

Palutena is the closest thing of one we saw for Smash 4. So that's... 1 out of like 20 newcomers?
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So... we're looking at about a 5% "Shoo-in" rate. And only a few characters that were seen as highly likely on the whole.

Rosalina was a shoo-in too, just one the fanbase didn't realise.

Shoo-ins aren't defined by fan perception. That much is clear. They mostly can only be seen after they get in and you evaluate why they got in.

 

[Curious Villager]

And then Sakurai tweeted a picture of the Monado which showed that he was clearly aware of the franchise (and further proved his Anime swordsman fetish )

It's a bit ironic despite how he complained about people looking too much into his tweets, a number of things from his tweets actually made it into the final game. (Although Dark Pit only became his own character by luck since they had a bit of extra time but still)

 

[Wario Bros.]

If there were in fact shoo-ins, then there would've been no surprises or speculations.

 

[Luigi The President]

You: "Something something shoo on"
Rest of the thread: "No"
You: "**** you"
Doesn't sound like a fun joke to exaggerate someone's response...

Well it's still a joke, whether you think it's funny and fun or not. I wasn't intending it to be taken seriously. As I said, it's hyperbole.

 

[epicmartin7]

So... I see the thread has calmed down a little bit after the shock of the Geno news that happened. Now for me, any considered fighter isn't really important as it's usually portrayed as a mere thought. This news shocked me as it was portrayed differently.

As an example, Sakurai thought about adding James Bond into Melee, but later recanted on the idea. With Geno though, Sakurai flat out states that he always wanted him in Smash which is huge in of itself.

Now, I'm not a huge Geno Fan myself (I'm not saying this as if I hate the character, I just don't have an emotional attachment to him), but I just find this news sorely interesting. It also proves that Sakurai does listen to the hardcore community which was possibly already evident by the Mii Fighter costumes.

All in all, the next Smash game is goona be crazy with speculation lol.

 

[Burruni]

FINALLY.
CHAPTER 12 FINALLY BEATEN.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK OF HOW LONG I'VE BEEN TRYING THIS MAP.

 

[Chandeelure]

So, Geno was "considered", meh, at this point nothing about Smash speculation surprises me.

 

[Opossum]

Hey, if I'm going to talk about something I would normally be cynical about, I'm at least going to have fun.



Let's not erupt into civil war here even with the subject matter. That's Captain America's job.

My dear red iron marsupial, in a community where people are petty enough to wish death upon others, write extremely long walls of salt talking about why the next character(s) and/or Sakurai is/are a disgrace, or say that we should boycott DLC due to one character not making it, sarcasm at said community's actions is near the bottom of the offenses chain. A lighter shade of black, if you will, because there's no denying it's a jab.

Tons of subjects in this community ridley tick me off to no end, enough to write entire, vile walls of text as to why I do. And I have, just not here. And trust me: you're not the only one to try and tell me I'm putting myself above the rest.

*SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH THIS IS MY OPINION: DON'T GET YOUR SQUIDS IN A TWIST*

I recognize the presence of rational minds here and wholeheartedly respect them. It's mainly the irrational minds that get to me. Even friends of mine have gone irrational at times and I similarly call them out. Surprisingly enough, I consider the shoo-in mentality and anyone following it to be silly regardless of the circumstance(even I have to stop myself at times, so I'm not immune to this). If a foreign opinion offends you, it's also remarkably easy to ignore it. Scroll down, pretend it isn't there. Along with your everyday posting, if you will. Happens to me a lot, and it works.

Now, regarding you specifically(because why else would you quote me if you weren't among the individuals), I still have my respect for you, mister possum. Calling out one aspect of a thought process really won't change that. If you are truly 200% mad? My apologies, since I know you are a level-headed person.

To wrap up, the shoo-in is an opinion I personally dislike, but at the end of the day, I still deal with. Done so for a long time now.
Doesn't mean I have to like it, or that I won't call it out. A begrudging acceptance, if you will.

Oh I'm not mad.
I just thought it came off kind of elitist-like ("I don't like that others think differently" kind of thing). If that wasn't the intention, then I was mistaken. It's just that calling out specific people with a link to what they said seems unnecessarily petty. That, and the whole lumping people together thing. Like, not everyone who believes *insert character A* is a shoo in thinks *character B* is. And those aren't necessarily the people decrying the game because *character C* got in. People differ. Lumping everyone who follows the shoo-in "mindset" into the same group is just unnecessary, as there's way too many other variables to consider.

Just my thoughts on it.

 

[Deleted member]

FINALLY.
CHAPTER 12 FINALLY BEATEN.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK OF HOW LONG I'VE BEEN TRYING THIS MAP.

I'm still going for my fifth try on Chapter 10
#BlameTakumi

 

[Radical Bones]

Well, it's time guys.
The last of Smash 4's content is finished, my premium is out, and it's still close to the beginning of the new year.
It is time for me to take a long hiatus from Smashboards, possibly forever.

In the time since I joined in December 2013 I have made over 23,000 posts.

Shoutouts to @GoldenYuiitusin and BluePikmin11 for being here since I joined and sticking around since the original Roster Prediction Discussion Thread. Shoutout to everyone in said thread.
Extra shoutout to Golden for doing all this while asleep.
Shoutout to @Scoliosis Jones for managing said thread as it was basically my home for 2 months and being pretty on-point.

Shoutouts to A Distant Demon , @WhiteEaglePL and Aetheri for taking care of Midna support after I leave.

Shoutouts to everyone in this thread who migrated from the Leaks Discussion group. You all are cool in some way even your opinions are sometimes wrong

Now for mods.
Shoutout to Opossum , @Firus,@PushDustIn, FalKoopa and [I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING SOMEONE] for keeping the peace

Shoutout to @IsmaR for being scary and @N3ON for being formerly scary and for pointing out all the inconvenient truths.

Shoutout to @Hong, @Moydow, @Weeman, and @Jae for making me stick around the Robin social far longer than I wanted to, and the latter for the free signature work!

Shoutout to Swamp Sensei for being the NintenZone social mascot and being in some funny titles.

Shoutouts to @Naoshi, @Kokonoe, @Spinosaurus, @Awesomedude4444, @IntelliHeath1, and CyberHyperPhoenix for joining me in the Discord made by Naoshi.

Shoutouts to everyone in the Disco Room and the Smash 4 social for being entertaining. There's so many of you guys, I couldn't possibly name you all!

And lastly, shoutout to you for reading this! If you've read this all the way through, you're probably the target audience as well!

Good bye for now!

I miss you alreay :'(

 

[Burruni]

I'm still going for my fifth try on Chapter 10
#BlameTakumi

I beat 10 on my third try.
It took me like 16 altogether for 12.
But the good news is....
I NOW HAVE THE GENOCIDER RIDER!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Oh I'm not mad.
I just thought it came off kind of elitist-like ("I don't like that others think differently" kind of thing). If that wasn't the intention, then I was mistaken. It's just that calling out specific people with a link to what they said seems unnecessarily petty. That, and the whole lumping people together thing. Like, not everyone who believes *insert character A* is a shoo in thinks *character B* is. And those aren't necessarily the people decrying the game because *character C* got in. People differ. Lumping everyone who follows the shoo-in "mindset" into the same group is just unnecessary, as there's way too many other variables to consider.

Just my thoughts on it.

What variables would they be exactly?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, looks like I need to keep the Geno thing riding into Smash 5!!!

Only to be disappointed again

 

[FalKoopa]

RTC is actually garbage.Its nothing but a circlejerk of the popular shoo-in characters and people arguing for pity things.Its trash

It used to be good. Pre-release, when @Groose and @Fuzzy Pickles! were in charge of running it.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Speaking of Fates, there is Street Fighter meme in one of Niles' supports: