Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[_Sheik]

Punch-Out!! Wii U could be great if it doesn't get the Star Fox treatment (the remake of a remake pattern).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The height of Yokai Watch popularity is probably now

I don't think the series has the same staying capability as Pokemon

The game just doesn't have the same kind of depth. The story feels more linear with set chapters.

You don't control any of the yokai

And it doesn't have the same connection as pokemon with being able to trade Yokai from game to game.

That, and the whole America gimmick in Yokai Watch 3 seems a lot more flat to the series. None of the yokai seem to be based on Japanese mythological creatures in that one and they aren't based on American/ European creatures either

Hamburger and Cheerleader yokai...

Yeah, it's getting a lot of hype. But for a lot of people, it's just because they wanted to try something different than Pokemon since it's been going on for many years now

 

[Ivander]

I think the thing was, Aladdin gave the impression he was just like Jasmin

A rich boy that wanted more of life so he snuck out to see what the world had to offer

Something Jasmin did when they met

So, Jasmin could have been a little upset that one of the things she thought connected them was a plain lie

I thought of that, yet the impression I was getting from Jafar was that he was revealing who Ali was and that he was Aladdin and Jasmine technically knew that already, since she called him out as Aladdin, "the boy from the market" and Aladdin didn't deny it. But who knows? The connection thing could've been the thing they were going for...just overlooked.

 

[Strofirko]

Holy ****,now this sofloantoine bull****, youtube is in a row.

 

[ChikoLad]

We all know that Tropes Are Not Bad, but since Tropes Are Not Good, are there any tropes that annoy you guys when played straight? I'm looking for some things to make a list of what to avert/play with in case I finally get off of my lazy butt and create some sort of project.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned it, but the one trope I really don't like, without a doubt, is Flanderization.

This is the act taking a single action or trait of a character, even a minor one, and exaggerating it over time to the point where it wholly defines the character.

I hate it because it's literally just dumbing down the writing of a character to be a shadow of their former self. A parody, even.

Notable examples:

Homer Simpson - Probably one of the most well known examples. Homer has been, from the beginning, representative of "The Idiot Father" trope (which can be problematic in itself, but not inherently so). He was always silly and clumsy, and even a bit careless with his kids, even borderline abusive and neglecting of them at times. However, at the end of the day, he always was a good hearted man who wanted to do the right thing and do his family proud. He did have words of wisdom for his kids that would help them through their problems. And he always made an effort and was criticised properly when he did wrong. And he always knew how to celebrate good times with the family or cheer them up, with some good 'ol frosty chocolate milkshakes. He was flawed but could still be viewed as a good role model and his flaws just made him relatable (they essentially just exaggerated the struggles of being a dad). Nowadays though, he's just an idiot, plain and simple. Little regard for his family and feels disconnected from them, he could break the law over nothing and wouldn't be punished for it, and rarely has anything intelligent to say that contributes to the plot of an episode or to the well being of his family.

Sonic the Hedgehog - I could go on for ages about this. But anyway, Sonic's correct characterisation can be summed up as being heroic by choice and not by duty, free as the wind and never bound to anyone or anything unless he chooses to be. He's arrogant and cocky mostly towards enemies and rivals, but is compassionate and surprisingly wise when he needs to be. He also knows how to be courteous and polite, even though he prefers not to engage in "formalities". He's quick witted and cunning, but his arrogance and his short temper can cloud his vision and get him into trouble. He's capable of loving and has the makings of a true gentleman, but just prefers to not tie himself down to a committed relationship. He doesn't fight for what is right by law, but for what is right by his own ideals. His cool and awesome not because of cheesy one-liners where he announces he is, but just exudes coolness and confidence his design and his actions, he doesn't need to tell you how cool he is. This is about the simplest I can sum him up, but things like this are why he's one of my favourite characters in fiction. However, it's not often we get all of these elements represented well, especially lately, because he's always handed to different writers and is often flanderised. Archie Comics and Fleetway flanderise his arrogance, making him an unlikable, outright jerk a lot of the time. SatAM made him far too childish and immature in an attempt to portray him as the "dumb muscle" and Sally as "the smart girl" (Archie did this too, naturally). Recent games that are written by Warren Graff and Ken Pontac, flanderise him to be an egotistical dork who tries way too hard to make people think he's cool, even non-sentient robots. Sonic Chronicles also made him ABSURDLY arrogant to the point where I don't know if it's flanderisation or just straight up out of character altogether. Sonic '06 made him seem duty bound and tied down, and he overall didn't seem to have fun at all, he rarely even smiled. This is about the gist of it, but yeah, Sonic is often a victim to flanderisation in so many different ways and at different points. It's a whole other can of worms, really.

Also there is such a thing, I feel, as "fandom interpreted/demanded flanderisation". This is when a character in official media is written just fine, but fans demand that the writers or creators of the character hone in on one specific element because they like it too much, such as, for example, a character's romantic feelings for another character (very common example). I actually see this a lot with Rosalina, with people constantly demanding that she be "quiet all of the time", "never outwardly happy or enjoying herself", "motherly all of the time", or "cute and girly all of the time". This is just the fandom misinterpreting the character and getting too obsessed with certain elements of the character and wanting them in excess, rather than balancing them or only displaying the traits when it's appropriate.

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I have been infracted because 'You could sound a little nicer' and 'You shouldn't act angry to people discriminating you' multiple times and Forum Support is fan ****ing tastic by making me wait 3 goddamn weeks before saying 'That thing you posted as a joke still counts as spam'. If **** like this keeps happening I might as well go to Neogaf. I don't believe I'm 'welcome' here in the slightest

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I know how you feel, honestly. I totally agree with you in that the mod team here are horribly uncooridinated, and at this point, "take it to Forum Support" seems to have become synonymous with "we don't care enough about your issue to just address it or are biased and don't even want to do anything about it".

Hell, I'm currently banned from the Rosalina Social. Why? I actually can't say for sure. I was given absolutely no forewarning, and didn't even get a notification about it in my inbox, like you're supposed to. Worst part is, I actually didn't break any rules. Two users, one of which is notorious for having a bad attitude, tried to, for some reason, randomly start to argue with me about "ROSALINA IS TOTALLY A PRINCESS" (because people can't just let it ****ing die and stop straw grasping for reasons to call her one, even though I can't understand why people specifically WANT her to be one). Nothing serious. I shot down the arguments. They couldn't accept it. They kept trying to drag it on, insulted me multiple times (even after I couldn't post anymore, and this user was not punished for it at all), made false, unsupported claims about me as a person, all over the fact they desperately wanted to class a fictional character as a princess, even though I made my point clearly, politely, and bluntly. The most I did was call someone delusional, but only when they legitimately, were obviously being delusional (because they weren't refuting or debunking anything I said, just denying it in a "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" type of fashion). I didn't break any rules, wasn't warned about it, and other people were misbehaving, not me. But I was still abruptly banned without even being told. I wasn't even trying to carry on the argument either (there...honestly wasn't even much of an argument since they did nothing to counter what I had sad), I was trying to leave it, but jabs were repeatedly being made, I was being tagged, etc.

Oh, and you know what? The thread is barely posted in now. Because I was a very big contributor to the thread. I always posted news, fan art, discussion topics relating to Rosalina, and even brought up other things I knew people would be interested in. I always made sure it was active and that there was something to talk about. Heck, right before I was banned, I had fulfilled an art request for someone in that thread (who would then go on to mindlessly insult me too, go figure).

So believe me, I know how you feel with there being issues with this site. That was just the most recent of many bad experiences I've had here.

However, I do think you need to be willing to own up to what you did do wrong. Getting angry over people talking about a particular game they like when you don't like it, doesn't seem like a good thing to do. It's just asking for them to get annoyed with you. Contributing constructive criticism towards the game is fine, though. And if you don't feel you can do that, just ignore the discussion. Bring up something else. There is no reason why people can't discuss more than one thing here, that's what we seem to do most of the time anyway.

Nobody hates you for this (or at least I'd hope so, or they're the person with worse issues here), they're just pointing out where you made a misstep. You got overly emotional and angry about something. No big deal. We've all done it. Heck, I just did it yesterday, when I got overly harsh with Fenriraga when talking about a freakin' Sonic game. I reckon that was probably because I was feeling sick, and a bit stressed in general. And I exerted it at the wrong place, wrong time, and in the wrong way. Best you can do is try to not let it happen again as much as you can help it.

While you do tend to get overly emotional and can get overly confrontational (I can definitely do the latter too so you're not the only one), I think you're pretty cool and fun to talk to regardless, and you do make interesting points. I wouldn't have offered you a free game yesterday if I didn't think that.

As for advice on what to do here and now, just take a break, really. I'm sure you have things to do that could be more fun than hanging around here, especially in your current mood. I'd even suggest just cutting down on usage of the site in general. That's what I've been doing. I only really visit this thread now, and I don't post nearly as much as I used to and don't make as many "long posts" or engage in as much discussion.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The funny thing about the idiot father trope was that it originally was a reversal of gender roles. It was created to subvert the "Idiot wife" trope of the past

People have been running it ever since

Edit: I'm not sure why ANY of the parents have to be idiots

 

[BluePikmin11]

I have a lot to say on the matter regarding Gaster and Matpat's theory, beware its very out there, and it might be a little confusing.

Spoiler: Undertale

Although there are few differences with Matt's theory. Instead of Ness being Sans, i'd like to think Dr. Andonauts is Sans:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...y.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/115? cb=20081118020427

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...nimated.gif/revision/latest?cb=20151219105528

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121007033204/fantendo/images/0/08/HalloweenRAW_00055.png (Try copying and pasting the links, as the links seem to be broken and spaced out for some reason)

See the striking resemblance, especially the smile in the final boss of the Earthbound hack.

And I theorize that all of the people Sans was with in the lab photo were all of the other Starmen who wanted to help him time travel.

Perhaps Dr. Andonauts (Sans), Papyrus, and many of his Starmen assistants was testing his time travels in the CORE during the events of which Asgore waged war on humanity. Maybe perhaps, this is where Dr. Andonauts eventually ended up to after his experiments with time had constantly failed in the Earthbound hack.

Papyrus is also a Starmen who was corrupted into a good being during the Giygas battle, the first Starmen Dr. Andonauts met in his goal to go back to the original timeline.

It's why we don't see Papyrus bleed in the Genocide route, Starmen are probably different beings who don't spill out blood.

And maybe perhaps, Gaster is a corrupted version of Sans (AKA Dr. Andonauts) who very briefly met up with Sans to stop going back in time before he and his assistants becomes corrupt beings because of time travel.

Hence why his existence and all of the other assistants ceased to exist very quickly like one of the hidden monster NPCs mentioned because Sans had decided to stop time traveling and give up where he is now, hence his personality of being lazy. Perhaps this is also where Papyrus gets his persona of being very friendly and believing, with Papyrus trying to help him to go back to the original timeline of Earthbound.

Perhaps Papyrus was so encouraging, that he granted himself and Sans the ability to use bone attacks and use the Gaster Blasters with his powers as a Starmen to help him with outsiders (the monsters) stopping his experiments. Why bone attacks you say.

Because Papyrus likely embodied the culture of monsters too when they first entered the Undertale universe, so embodied that he thinks bone powers are his special ability. Papyrus was actually one of the survivors who somehow managed to exist even with the time change Sans did. What about all of the Starmen assistants? I theorize that they transformed themselves too like Papyrus, into the hidden monster NPCs we see when editing the files of Undertale, all assistants who became embodied to the monster culture in the Underground and became non-existent because of Gaster. Perhaps this explains Suzy, one who became aquainted to monster culture.

I think it all lines up.

I had fun making the theory. Hope I didn't confuse anyone.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sonic being arrogant isn't all that odd. He was always like that to a degree in general adaptions. Knuckles' being completely stupid is real flanderization. Only Sonic Boom and Sonic X made it tolerable at best. Mostly because Sonic Boom made it comedic enough to be likable, and Sonic X explained why he constantly fell for Eggman's tricks, because he believes there's good in everyone.

I just wish they did a better job with him being an idiot in the other games/adaptions. :/

 

[Strofirko]

Also the guy from the "wow" meme passed away 3 days ago and nobody told me nothing.

 

[Luigi The President]

The height of Yokai Watch popularity is probably now

I don't think the series has the same staying capability as Pokemon

The game just doesn't have the same kind of depth. The story feels more linear with set chapters.

You don't control any of the yokai

And it doesn't have the same connection as pokemon with being able to trade Yokai from game to game.

That, and the whole America gimmick in Yokai Watch 3 seems a lot more flat to the series. None of the yokai seem to be based on Japanese mythological creatures in that one and they aren't based on American/ European creatures either

Hamburger and Cheerleader yokai...

Yeah, it's getting a lot of hype. But for a lot of people, it's just because they wanted to try something different than Pokemon since it's been going on for many years now

It's been at "now" for 3 years, do you realize how it's been massive for a very long time in Japan? It's not stopping anytime soon, and if those problems actually mattered to the Japan audience we wouldn't be seeing a new game on the way.

The entire reason you think that it'll be dying soon is because of your own opinions. None of this is fact, only things that if were truly a problem would've ended the franchise long ago. I find it very engaging and couldn't care less that you can't trade Yo-Kai, and I like the America gimmick.

And America-wise, uh, they've heavily implied YW2 is already being localized, so that's pretty pointless. If the game wasn't doing well, why is there so much merch selling? Why is the game selling well from what I hear? You can't compare it to POKEMON and say that it'll die out.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Hey did anyone play a Dino and Martin game before?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[BluePikmin11]

The height of Yokai Watch popularity is probably now

I don't think the series has the same staying capability as Pokemon

The game just doesn't have the same kind of depth. The story feels more linear with set chapters.

You don't control any of the yokai

And it doesn't have the same connection as pokemon with being able to trade Yokai from game to game.

That, and the whole America gimmick in Yokai Watch 3 seems a lot more flat to the series. None of the yokai seem to be based on Japanese mythological creatures in that one and they aren't based on American/ European creatures either

Hamburger and Cheerleader yokai...

Yeah, it's getting a lot of hype. But for a lot of people, it's just because they wanted to try something different than Pokemon since it's been going on for many years now

Sure I don't think it will make the same impact as Pokemon, but I think it'll still be very popular.

It doesn't need to be Pokemon to make the same impact with having similar features such as trading.

I see lots of kids already hooked onto the franchise and don't really compare the game to Pokemon that much, especially in AbdallahSmash026. (He told me that Yo-kai Watch is his biggest money maker for videos now) and it'll only grow bigger from there.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[Curious Villager]

Is Yokai Watch still not released in Europe yet? *checks release* June 10 2016? Is this game really that dialogue heavy?

As well as cultural differences and whatnot.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned it, but the one trope I really don't like, without a doubt, is Flanderization.

This is the act taking a single action or trait of a character, even a minor one, and exaggerating it over time to the point where it wholly defines the character.

I hate it because it's literally just dumbing down the writing of a character to be a shadow of their former self. A parody, even.

Notable examples:

Homer Simpson - Probably one of the most well known examples. Homer has been, from the beginning, representative of "The Idiot Father" trope (which can be problematic in itself, but not inherently so). He was always silly and clumsy, and even a bit careless with his kids, even borderline abusive and neglecting of them at times. However, at the end of the day, he always was a good hearted man who wanted to do the right thing and do his family proud. He did have words of wisdom for his kids that would help them through their problems. And he always made an effort and was criticised properly when he did wrong. And he always knew how to celebrate good times with the family or cheer them up, with some good 'ol frosty chocolate milkshakes. He was flawed but could still be viewed as a good role model and his flaws just made him relatable (they essentially just exaggerated the struggles of being a dad). Nowadays though, he's just an idiot, plain and simple. Little regard for his family and feels disconnected from them, he could break the law over nothing and wouldn't be punished for it, and rarely has anything intelligent to say that contributes to the plot of an episode or to the well being of his family.

Sonic the Hedgehog - I could go on for ages about this. But anyway, Sonic's correct characterisation can be summed up as being heroic by choice and not by duty, free as the wind and never bound to anyone or anything unless he chooses to be. He's arrogant and cocky mostly towards enemies and rivals, but is compassionate and surprisingly wise when he needs to be. He also knows how to be courteous and polite, even though he prefers not to engage in "formalities". He's quick witted and cunning, but his arrogance and his short temper can cloud his vision and get him into trouble. He's capable of loving and has the makings of a true gentleman, but just prefers to not tie himself down to a committed relationship. He doesn't fight for what is right by law, but for what is right by his own ideals. His cool and awesome not because of cheesy one-liners where he announces he is, but just exudes coolness and confidence his design and his actions, he doesn't need to tell you how cool he is. This is about the simplest I can sum him up, but things like this are why he's one of my favourite characters in fiction. However, it's not often we get all of these elements represented well, especially lately, because he's always handed to different writers and is often flanderised. Archie Comics and Fleetway flanderise his arrogance, making him an unlikable, outright jerk a lot of the time. SatAM made him far too childish and immature in an attempt to portray him as the "dumb muscle" and Sally as "the smart girl" (Archie did this too, naturally). Recent games that are written by Warren Graff and Ken Pontac, flanderise him to be an egotistical dork who tries way too hard to make people think he's cool, even non-sentient robots. Sonic Chronicles also made him ABSURDLY arrogant to the point where I don't know if it's flanderisation or just straight up out of character altogether. Sonic '06 made him seem duty bound and tied down, and he overall didn't seem to have fun at all, he rarely even smiled. This is about the gist of it, but yeah, Sonic is often a victim to flanderisation in so many different ways and at different points. It's a whole other can of worms, really.

This always bothered me with Sonic in 06, mainly because the opening cinematic is one of my favorite Sonic moments.

It's like they used up all of his personality for this one cinematic.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned it, but the one trope I really don't like, without a doubt, is Flanderization.

Uh....

Does Flanderization count?

I kinda mentioned it earlier as well.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Is Yokai Watch still not released in Europe yet? *checks release* June 10 2016? Is this game really that dialogue heavy?

As well as cultural differences and whatnot.

No, it's not as dialogue heavy as a Xenoblade game for example.
U.S. got the game relatively quick, I imagine the game coming out before summer starts.

 

[Icedragonadam]

The worst flanderization in Smash is definitely Wario.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's been at "now" for 3 years, do you realize how it's been massive for a very long time in Japan? It's not stopping anytime soon, and if those problems actually mattered to the Japan audience we wouldn't be seeing a new game on the way.

The entire reason you think that it'll be dying soon is because of your own opinions. None of this is fact, only things that if were truly a problem would've ended the franchise long ago. I find it very engaging and couldn't care less that you can't trade Yo-Kai, and I like the America gimmick.

3 years isn't that long. I don't really see it continuing to grow from here.

Especially if it doesn't gain the same popularity in America and Europe

Children have short attention spans and move on from fad to fad

 

[Coricus]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned it, but the one trope I really don't like, without a doubt, is Flanderization.

This is the act taking a single action or trait of a character, even a minor one, and exaggerating it over time to the point where it wholly defines the character.

I hate it because it's literally just dumbing down the writing of a character to be a shadow of their former self. A parody, even.

Notable examples:

Homer Simpson - Probably one of the most well known examples. Homer has been, from the beginning, representative of "The Idiot Father" trope (which can be problematic in itself, but not inherently so). He was always silly and clumsy, and even a bit careless with his kids, even borderline abusive and neglecting of them at times. However, at the end of the day, he always was a good hearted man who wanted to do the right thing and do his family proud. He did have words of wisdom for his kids that would help them through their problems. And he always made an effort and was criticised properly when he did wrong. And he always knew how to celebrate good times with the family or cheer them up, with some good 'ol frosty chocolate milkshakes. He was flawed but could still be viewed as a good role model and his flaws just made him relatable (they essentially just exaggerated the struggles of being a dad). Nowadays though, he's just an idiot, plain and simple. Little regard for his family and feels disconnected from them, he could break the law over nothing and wouldn't be punished for it, and rarely has anything intelligent to say that contributes to the plot of an episode or to the well being of his family.

Sonic the Hedgehog - I could go on for ages about this. But anyway, Sonic's correct characterisation can be summed up as being heroic by choice and not by duty, free as the wind and never bound to anyone or anything unless he chooses to be. He's arrogant and cocky mostly towards enemies and rivals, but is compassionate and surprisingly wise when he needs to be. He also knows how to be courteous and polite, even though he prefers not to engage in "formalities". He's quick witted and cunning, but his arrogance and his short temper can cloud his vision and get him into trouble. He's capable of loving and has the makings of a true gentleman, but just prefers to not tie himself down to a committed relationship. He doesn't fight for what is right by law, but for what is right by his own ideals. His cool and awesome not because of cheesy one-liners where he announces he is, but just exudes coolness and confidence his design and his actions, he doesn't need to tell you how cool he is. This is about the simplest I can sum him up, but things like this are why he's one of my favourite characters in fiction. However, it's not often we get all of these elements represented well, especially lately, because he's always handed to different writers and is often flanderised. Archie Comics and Fleetway flanderise his arrogance, making him an unlikable, outright jerk a lot of the time. SatAM made him far too childish and immature in an attempt to portray him as the "dumb muscle" and Sally as "the smart girl" (Archie did this too, naturally). Recent games that are written by Warren Graff and Ken Pontac, flanderise him to be an egotistical dork who tries way too hard to make people think he's cool, even non-sentient robots. Sonic Chronicles also made him ABSURDLY arrogant to the point where I don't know if it's flanderisation or just straight up out of character altogether. Sonic '06 made him seem duty bound and tied down, and he overall didn't seem to have fun at all, he rarely even smiled. This is about the gist of it, but yeah, Sonic is often a victim to flanderisation in so many different ways and at different points. It's a whole other can of worms, really.

Also there is such a thing, I feel, as "fandom interpreted/demanded flanderisation". This is when a character in official media is written just fine, but fans demand that the writers or creators of the character hone in on one specific element because they like it too much, such as, for example, a character's romantic feelings for another character (very common example). I actually see this a lot with Rosalina, with people constantly demanding that she be "quiet all of the time", "never outwardly happy or enjoying herself", "motherly all of the time", or "cute and girly all of the time". This is just the fandom misinterpreting the character and getting too obsessed with certain elements of the character and wanting them in excess, rather than balancing them or only displaying the traits when it's appropriate.

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I know how you feel, honestly. I totally agree with you in that the mod team here are horribly uncooridinated, and at this point, "take it to Forum Support" seems to have become synonymous with "we don't care enough about your issue to just address it or are biased and don't even want to do anything about it".

Hell, I'm currently banned from the Rosalina Social. Why? I actually can't say for sure. I was given absolutely no forewarning, and didn't even get a notification about it in my inbox, like you're supposed to. Worst part is, I actually didn't break any rules. Two users, one of which is notorious for having a bad attitude, tried to, for some reason, randomly start to argue with me about "ROSALINA IS TOTALLY A PRINCESS" (because people can't just let it ****ing die and stop straw grasping for reasons to call her one, even though I can't understand why people specifically WANT her to be one). Nothing serious. I shot down the arguments. They couldn't accept it. They kept trying to drag it on, insulted me multiple times (even after I couldn't post anymore, and this user was not punished for it at all), made false, unsupported claims about me as a person, all over the fact they desperately wanted to class a fictional character as a princess, even though I made my point clearly, politely, and bluntly. The most I did was call someone delusional, but only when they legitimately, were obviously being delusional (because they weren't refuting or debunking anything I said, just denying it in a "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" type of fashion). I didn't break any rules, wasn't warned about it, and other people were misbehaving, not me. But I was still abruptly banned without even being told. I wasn't even trying to carry on the argument either (there...honestly wasn't even much of an argument since they did nothing to counter what I had sad), I was trying to leave it, but jabs were repeatedly being made, I was being tagged, etc.

Oh, and you know what? The thread is barely posted in now. Because I was a very big contributor to the thread. I always posted news, fan art, discussion topics relating to Rosalina, and even brought up other things I knew people would be interested in. I always made sure it was active and that there was something to talk about. Heck, right before I was banned, I had fulfilled an art request for someone in that thread (who would then go on to mindlessly insult me too, go figure).

So believe me, I know how you feel with there being issues with this site. That was just the most recent of many bad experiences I've had here.

However, I do think you need to be willing to own up to what you did do wrong. Getting angry over people talking about a particular game they like when you don't like it, doesn't seem like a good thing to do. It's just asking for them to get annoyed with you. Contributing constructive criticism towards the game is fine, though. And if you don't feel you can do that, just ignore the discussion. Bring up something else. There is no reason why people can't discuss more than one thing here, that's what we seem to do most of the time anyway.

Nobody hates you for this (or at least I'd hope so, or they're the person with worse issues here), they're just pointing out where you made a misstep. You got overly emotional and angry about something. No big deal. We've all done it. Heck, I just did it yesterday, when I got overly harsh with Fenriraga when talking about a freakin' Sonic game. I reckon that was probably because I was feeling sick, and a bit stressed in general. And I exerted it at the wrong place, wrong time, and in the wrong way. Best you can do is try to not let it happen again as much as you can help it.

While you do tend to get overly emotional and can get overly confrontational (I can definitely do the latter too so you're not the only one), I think you're pretty cool and fun to talk to regardless, and you do make interesting points. I wouldn't have offered you a free game yesterday if I didn't think that.

As for advice on what to do here and now, just take a break, really. I'm sure you have things to do that could be more fun than hanging around here, especially in your current mood. I'd even suggest just cutting down on usage of the site in general. That's what I've been doing. I only really visit this thread now, and I don't post nearly as much as I used to and don't make as many "long posts" or engage in as much discussion.

Oh my gosh, I have thought about that exact issue with Sonic so many times.

Like, take Worlds Collide. That whole shouting match with Mega Man wouldn't have even happened if Sonic had just been properly written instead of Flanderized into oblivion.


Come to think of it, Planet Of Hats is kind of what happens when you Flanderize an entire culture before even releasing your work.

 

[Curious Villager]

No, it's not as dialogue heavy as a Xenoblade game for example.
U.S. got the game relatively quick, I imagine the game coming out before summer starts.

There seems to be a roughly two year gap between the Japanese and US version too.

Then again, I probably shouldn't be surprised since Level-5's games are kinda infamous of their very lengthy release gaps.....

 

[A Distant Demon]

The worst flanderization in Smash is definitely Wario.

Does Luigi's count as flanderization or does it go past that and into caracter redesign like angry mario? Because Luigi wasn't that weird. . .
Still salty when Luigi gets an amiibo it's the horrendous pose he got this game.




We were talking about stages the other day . . .I realized I forgot about one of my most wanted stages ever.

Spoiler

HOW CAN YOU NOT WANT THIS BEUTY

 

[Luigi The President]

3 years isn't that long. I don't really see it continuing to grow from here.

Especially if it doesn't gain the same popularity in America and Europe

Children have short attention spans and move on from fad to fad

3 years that it's been completely at the top with no sign of stopping IS long. It's GOING to grow more, there's literally a new mainline game coming out. You've yet to explain why you actually see it stopping besides "uhhh theres gameplay problems" which the Japanese obviously do not care about.

The popularity in America seems okay, just fine, we'll see more when YW2 is released, plus the anime's going strong. We can't say for Europe.

Children don't have attention spans that make them forget the game. Unless a game as huge as Yo-Kai Watch with the same mechanics come along it won't be replaced and I don't know why you think children have the attention span of a fish.

 

[Deleted member]

EDIT: for ****'s sake, I write a long ass post just so my phone can **** it up

 

[Z25]

Spoiler

Perhaps you're right. A prequel might handle this a lot better than a sequel.

Who would you be playing as though? One of the previous humans only to receive an ending where this human always dies? A monster character?

I have faith in Toby's talent, though. And considering how much Undertale judges you and makes you feel for committing certain actions, as well as the fact that it's made clear the world is technically controlled by us in that it can be reset at any time, and we choose whether or not we want to attempt to save everyone or kill them on sight, a couple tragic endings wouldn't exactly be out of place. The whole game is basically one massive commentary on the concept of video games itself as well as tropes revolving around monster-filled worlds in gaming as we're used to them.

As disturbing as this image is....it reminds me of something.....


....does anyone remember that House of Mouse episode where Hades fell for Maleficent?

I think the better question is does anyone remember the House of Mouse?
I use to watch that all the time, it was pretty good!

I was thinking that it'd be good to have two third-party characters from each company on my roster,
The list goes as follows:

SEGA: Sonic, Bayonetta
CAPCOM: Mega Man, Ryu
NAMCO-BANDAI: Pac-Man, Lloyd
SQUARE-ENIX: Cloud, Geno (Impale me later)

And for a new third-party company, I considered Level-5...
However I didn't want to over-do the amount of third-parties, as eight is a big amount, so I ultimately decided against it...
So yeah... That's that...

Minus geno( no offense but as awesome as he is, he probably won't happen. I'd also want to see cloud come back first, which is skeptical, but we shall see. I hope he does though.) , 8 3rd parties isn't bad, but I would be surprised to see one or two more.

After all we got 2 in brawl, and lost one this game. But we got 4 more in their place, which is a pretty good increase.

I'm going to post one more Gaston thing.
Because this gif is too damn perfect.

R.I.P. actor who played him in Disney and died in that freak fireworks accident. He was pretty cool and played Gaston well.

Quest 64 HD, with both the true complete version(what they intended to do back then, or at least an updated version of the Japanese version) and the classic older version(at the very least, make signs readable in the games. They're only readable in the gameboy remake and in the Japanese port. WTF?)

Or a compilation of every single game on one disc. Japanese version, regular Quest 64 with a language option, Quest RPG: Brian's Journey(with Japanese and US languages), and Quest Fantasy Challenge(with the European language option).

They'd have to actually buy the full rights to the series to do this, as a compilation with only released games in total(no language options, but choosing which version to play specifically instead) is all they can legally do at best. They can sell the game freely due to the copyright being up. The trademark is not, meaning they can't actually do anything they want with the series. Including remaking it, etc. Fanhacks are fine if they don't make money off of it.

/Just a Quest 64 nerd who does research

This would be a pretty out there game to do, but I think that if they managed to get the rights, they could make the series popular.

 

[A Distant Demon]

does anyone remember the House of Mouse?

Yes
I loved that show. I can't remember nearly any of it but I jsut remember I loved it so much because of all the Disney characters it had. I miss the old Disney cartoons.

 

[Chrono.]

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/...t-fighter-5s-main-theme-survivor-man-mission/

Street Fighter V's theme is out.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I think the better question is does anyone remember the House of Mouse?
I use to watch that all the time, it was pretty good!

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I loved it for many years. Was one of my favorite cartoons at the time, and I still kinda miss it, especially since Disney Channel focuses so much on live-action sitcoms nowadays rather than the company's roots in animation.

The modern Mickey shorts they make for Disney Channel are pretty darn good though.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I think the better question is does anyone remember the House of Mouse?
I use to watch that all the time, it was pretty good!

Loved that show so much. The theme is still stuck in my head.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

So, quick impressions with the DLC characters
Cloyd is really easy and fun to play as, hitting a meteor FAir is very satisfying
Corrin is main material holy **** I love them so much. Side B is easy to use when you get used to the timing
Bayonetta has a hard learning curve but is so fun to play as
The stages are nice too I guess
BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT FE MUSIC THO



Basically, I bought a canadian eshop card thinking it would work on the US eshop and since I can't do anyfhing with it, I'm giving it away
I'll just make a Smash CPU match, you bet on one of them and winner gets it
So tagging Bedoop too for fhe thingy

Choose a Smash character to bet on, FD all items yadda yadda
Will have to do it tomorrow tho so quote this post to make sure I see it

I'm probably too late, crap...

But if I'm not too late I pick Zelda.

 

[Bedoop]

I think the better question is does anyone remember the House of Mouse?
I use to watch that all the time, it was pretty good!

Nostalgia hitting me as hard as Dedede's Down Special right now
I freaking loved House of Mouse

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

3 years that it's been completely at the top with no sign of stopping IS long. It's GOING to grow more, there's literally a new mainline game coming out. You've yet to explain why you actually see it stopping besides "uhhh theres gameplay problems" which the Japanese obviously do not care about.

The popularity in America seems okay, just fine, we'll see more when YW2 is released, plus the anime's going strong. We can't say for Europe.

Children don't have attention spans that make them forget the game. Unless a game as huge as Yo-Kai Watch with the same mechanics come along it won't be replaced and I don't know why you think children have the attention span of a fish.

Unless the games start having more depth I don't really see how they can continue. Something more than just more Jibanyan recolors.

In retail, I've seen toys be the top selling thing one year, and on clearance with no one buying them the next. Sure they still have fans, but when the stores don't have enough of them the first thing they do is stop selling the product.

Kid's would very easily just move on to the next big children's cartoon that comes on the TV.

Children aren't dumb. If they start seeing the repetitive nature of the product they'll start moving on the next thing that can offer them new excitement.

 

[Deleted member]

I've never been on there, but from what I've seen on here, and other sites, they basically ban you for disagreeing with them, or if they just don't like you. Which is stupid, but I don't know about Sony Bias/ I wouldn't be surprised.

Yeah, that doesn't sound good at all. Though I guess it can be at least somewhat tolerable when you're just lurking their threads.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

This would be a pretty out there game to do, but I think that if they managed to get the rights, they could make the series popular.

One issue is if they did remake it, will the remake turn people off from its original charm, or will it help more?

It's a difficult thing to do. Especially for games that did poorly originally. I think the Gameboy remake showed what they really should do, which is not destroy the core gameplay, but make it overall better and more balanced, make the story worthwhile, and balance the item system.

I'm not against the idea of party members, but it focused on you being the only playable character, which works well with the gameplay. If your party members were A.I. controlled, as shown by the games' own craptastic A.I., you'd actually lose more than win at this point. But more dynamic A.I. is certainly possible.

So who knows. I'd love a remake to try out the multiple party member idea, but maybe make them more like disposable allies you can revive later. Basically what Shining Force is. I don't mean this in a bad way, either, but having monsters on your team that could grow(think Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of a New World) work a little better. They'd obviously be a bit stronger than a basic monster, or at least would grow with their old stats being Level 1, or something to balance out how it works. You start with 50 HP, after all, so your partners should be fairly strong.

I've had ideas of how to incorporate it, including a hack of Golden Sun. Basically, you could combine spells similar to how you do Summons. Each character uses 1 MP for a proper element, and does a normal Spell(say Wind Cutter 3, which requires 3 MP, based upon the Wind element, in total), but it's a bit stronger due to multiple characters using it, instead of a single person. This would make having a team better, but would also mean they lose their own MP, so it could be more strategic.

 

[Burruni]

Nostalgia hitting me as hard as Corrin's Counter right now
I freaking loved House of Mouse

Fixed.

 

[Luigi The President]

Unless the games start having more depth I don't really see how they can continue. Something more than just more Jibanyan recolors.

In retail, I've seen toys be the top selling thing one year, and on clearance with no one buying them the next. Sure they still have fans, but when the stores don't have enough of them the first thing they do is stop selling the product.

Kid's would very easily just move on to the next big children's cartoon that comes on the TV.

Children aren't dumb. If they start seeing the repetitive nature of the product they'll start moving on the next thing that can offer them new excitement.

Except they're introducing an entire new generation of Yo-Kai! There WILL be more depth! They haven't even revealed much on the mechanics. Who knows what could change up Yo-Kai? Plus, Yo-Kai Busters DRASTICALLY changes the gameplay.

Children aren't dumb but right now it's doing just fine. It's not like Yo-Kai's explosively popular with the kids, it's got a ton of kid fans but I don't know any prioritizing Yo-Kai like Pokemon. They don't NEED new excitement to replace Yo-Kai.

 

[NintenZ]

Yes. I don't see why not.

It's because of the potential concern of third-party overrepresentation.

 

[Coricus]

Yes
I loved that show. I can't remember nearly any of it but I jsut remember I loved it so much because of all the Disney characters it had. I miss the old Disney cartoons.

Same here, all of it.

Maybe we should go track down episodes or something.

3 years that it's been completely at the top with no sign of stopping IS long. It's GOING to grow more, there's literally a new mainline game coming out. You've yet to explain why you actually see it stopping besides "uhhh theres gameplay problems" which the Japanese obviously do not care about.

The popularity in America seems okay, just fine, we'll see more when YW2 is released, plus the anime's going strong. We can't say for Europe.

Children don't have attention spans that make them forget the game. Unless a game as huge as Yo-Kai Watch with the same mechanics come along it won't be replaced and I don't know why you think children have the attention span of a fish.

Probably because adults have the attention spans of fish and they're assuming the same for children. Children are the ones that grow up with nostalgia and dedication, adults are the ones that throw away fads like used candy wrappers.

 

[Bananija]

I didn't get any alerts from him but if so
Bananija c'mere and make your bets

What?! I never talked about bet. A bet about what anyway?

 

[ChikoLad]

Sonic being arrogant isn't all that odd. He was always like that to a degree in general adaptions. Knuckles' being completely stupid is real flanderization. Only Sonic Boom and Sonic X made it tolerable at best. Mostly because Sonic Boom made it comedic enough to be likable, and Sonic X explained why he constantly fell for Eggman's tricks, because he believes there's good in everyone.

I just wish they did a better job with him being an idiot in the other games/adaptions. :/

Arrogance is an inherent part of Sonic's character, but the cases I mentioned did flanderise it.

The best example in Archie Comics would be:

Spoiler

I don't know the full context so one or two things may be a little unclear, but there is an infamous scene where Sonic is in conflict with Tails' father, Amadeus. Sonic is (going against his own character) helping King Elias keep some revolutionaries in prison, including Amadeus. Amadeus questions Sonic's actions, asking what Tails would think of him.

What I know I'm not misinterpreting though, is Sonic's response, particularly one part of it (I can't find the exact page so this is as best as I can do):

"That kid? Please, he worships me."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SONIC WOULD NEVER SAY THAT

And the only reason they did this was to force a conflict between Sonic and Tails by means of forcing them to opposite sides of a civil war.

Sonic is arrogant and a bit over confident in his abilities at times, but he's NOT supposed to be a sociopathic egomaniac who thinks his best friend is his disciple.

Uh....



I kinda mentioned it earlier as well.

Woops, I missed it. My bad.

 

[Fenriraga]

All That text and a Bag of Chips

Fandom is almost entirely the reason that characters can end up getting flanderized. Characters like Cloud and to a lesser extent Shadow are prime examples of that. It's extremely irritating that characters who have a lot of things going for them end up being one trick ponies because only one thing really resonated with people. Sonic is a good example, like you said. I really miss, like, Black Knight style Sonic. I feel that's the most well-written he's ever been. "I just gotta do what I gotta do. That's all." That line always gives me shivers.
Now that I actually understand Rosalina as much as I do, I'm glad Nintendo is sticking with that rather than caving to the supposed expectation she set on a surface level in Galaxy. Part of why I love her, she has a lot going for her AND they aren't afraid to make it known.

And yeah, pretty much mirrored what you said in the spoiler. Can't count how many times I over react to something due to something else entirely different. I like to compliment myself for being abe to step out, take a breath and realize how much of a dunce I'm being, but I wish it wasn't so frequent and I could be more wary of it prior.

It's just a matter of accepting that, sometimes, you aren't in the right. Or at the very least, that the situation isn't as simple as you like to think it is and you're going about it the wrong way. The moment humanity can realize that each person really is unique, from personality to tastes, the better off we'll be. I'll just stop here because I think I'm getting too deep. :V