Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[NintenZ]

BECAUSE EVEN IF IT WAS SHOWN OFF BACK IN JANUARY WE'RE UPSET THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE GLOBAL ANNOUNCEMENT OF POKEMON Z OR SOME NEW GAME DURING THE ADVERTISEMENT MADE EXCLUSIVELY FOR AN AMERICAN SPORTING EVENT.

...Seriously.

All I can say is... Keep your expectations low.

Besides there were so many good commercials they showed last night!

 

[ChikoLad]

A wild DarkMako appears in the YouTube comments yet again.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Everyone's talking about Runners and I'm still her wondering what happened to Dragon Coins.

 

[Burruni]

All I can say is... Keep your expectations low.

Besides there were so many good commercials they showed last night!

This isn't even an "Expectations" situation.
They literally uploaded the commercial a few weeks ago named specifically AS the superbowl commercial.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I played Runners once.
I hated all the in game pop up adds and I didn't even unlock Knuckles or Tails.
It wasn't as fun as Dash even though they have a lot f good ideas and things in the game taken from the sonic series.
The characters designs are perfect and I hope they get carried over from this game into the next Legacy Sonic game.
Mind you the Music is utterly fantastic as per usual with sonic series. If it got re-used elsewhere I certinally wouldn't mind.

 

[NintenZ]

This isn't even an "Expectations" situation.
They literally uploaded the commercial a few weeks ago named specifically AS the superbowl commercial.

True...

So in that case...

Was there really any point in even airing it?

 

[Burruni]

True...

So in that case...

Was there really any point in even airing it?

Because of the celebration of the series and reaching a different demographic (How many people invested in the SuperBowl would go check the Pokemon official youtube/facebook/twitter page?)

 

[NintenZ]

Because of the celebration of the series and reaching a different demographic (How many people invested in the SuperBowl would go check the Pokemon official youtube/facebook/twitter page?)

Oh... Okay...

New topic: If you saw it, what was your favorite Super Bowl ad?

 

[Schnee117]

Oh... Okay...

New topic: If you saw it, what was your favorite Super Bowl ad?

1. You don't need to watch the Superbowl to watch the Superbowl ads. AKA
2. One of: Civil War, Deadpool, X-Men and Jason Bourne

 

[Opossum]

Gotta go with the Civil War ad. It got me really hyped.

That and I realized that basically all of may favorites are on Team Cap. Cap, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, and Ant-Man. I mean I like Bucky too but he's not my favorite. He's cool though.

 

[Substitution]

Puppy Monkey Baby.

Yes I am fully aware it was basically an attempt to make a "meme" by Mountain Dew. But I'll at least applaud their efforts in trying to make one.

Alternatively, Heinz's "people in condiment costumes with dogs in hot dog buns" commercial.

 

[Coricus]

Since I'm in an especially sour mood today, I've decided to bring back my mental concept of what would happen if the vocal minority was a single amalgamation and had total control over the roster of a new Smash Brothers.

 

[ChikoLad]

Since I'm in an especially sour mood today, I've decided to bring back my mental concept of what would happen if the vocal minority was a single amalgamation and had total control over the roster of a new Smash Brothers.

...I haven't seen a single person ask for a roster like that.

 

[Fenriraga]

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/02/sega-sonic-runners-is-a-failure/#comment-276425

I really shouldn't be smiling, but I am.

Take it as a learning experience Sega/Sonic Team. Or don't. You usually don't.

 

[Coricus]

...I haven't seen a single person ask for a roster like that.

It's basically what would happen if every character that people ever wanted to have cut or were disappointed in were cut all at once.

 

[Substitution]

I was thinking one of those Mugen rosters where they have like one billion characters on one screen.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gonna makr some potential Bayonetta customs!
B1: Onyx Roses: The shots are slower, but do more damage
B2: Kafka: A single arrow that when fully charged, deal poison damage
Side B1: Durga flame, the kick is now a kill move at the sacrifice of less range
Side B2: Durga lighting. Think Ike's Close Combat for After Burner Kick
Up B1: Alruna, longer start up, but can grab enemies from above and slam them too the ground
Up B2: Rakshasa: Extended reach and much more damage, but makes Bayonetta helpless
Down B1: Rosemary beads: When countering, Witch Time doesn't trigger, but a powerful projectile gets launched from where Bayo was hit, works on projectiles
Down B2: Parry.Witch Time isn't triggered, but the foe instead gets stunned for a short amount of time

 

[Champ Gold]

Since I'm in an especially sour mood today, I've decided to bring back my mental concept of what would happen if the vocal minority was a single amalgamation and had total control over the roster of a new Smash Brothers.

>No Ness, Falcon, Marth, Pit or Mac
>No FREAKING Kirby
>SERIOUSLY NO GREEN MACHINE

If that's what the vocal minority wants then they have some serious **** taste.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Since I'm in an especially sour mood today, I've decided to bring back my mental concept of what would happen if the vocal minority was a single amalgamation and had total control over the roster of a new Smash Brothers.

You would think that such a roster would include Minecraft Steve, indies and Freddy Fazbear.

Our views are skewed as always.

 

[ChikoLad]

It's basically what would happen if every character that people ever wanted to have cut or were disappointed in were cut all at once.

And yet Charizard, Mewtwo, Zelda, Ganondorf, Diddy, and K. Rool are still there? :V

 

[NintenZ]

http://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/02/sega-sonic-runners-is-a-failure/#comment-276425

I really shouldn't be smiling, but I am.

Take it as a learning experience Sega/Sonic Team. Or don't. You usually don't.

I completely agree, SEGA should not be doing this to their consumers.

 

[Fenriraga]

I completely agree, SEGA should not be doing this to their consumers.

I'm just glad that, between this and Boom sales, people are FINALLY speaking with their wallets.

 

[Substitution]

And yet Charizard, Mewtwo, Zelda, Ganondorf, Diddy, and K. Rool are still there? :V

Hell why is K.Rool in there period? I don't remember him being a character.

 

[aldelaro5]

Ok so because I was excited this morning to learn about the SS in paper jam situation, I realised that when I posted my message, I wasn`t very clear on why it made me so happy....on a Monday morning......as I was kidna sleepy because I jsut woke up (that TRULY woke me up btw). so here you go.

Myself and a lot of people starting around 2 months before the NA release of Paper Jam, people started to doubt the game becuase it had a "generic" feeling to it and for myself, I clearly saw it was SS based. It became so doubtfull that it even turned into salts and imo VERY poor arguments (seriously, there was still that argument about file sizxe that made me cringe). There was even salts on the paper jam thread over here at the mario forum......in whcih I had to answer because.....it was getting very werid.

Even though I mostly agreed with a lot of doubts people had, I disagreed a lot on the fact that the entire game was like that. Becuase it felt to me that yes, it was SS based, but not in the ideology. Paper Jam was more trying to give SS a new form rather than following it, the assets are only used in the way SS was good at and the part that was abd about them were jsut not there.

For example, take the world 5 of SS, I actually liked its design (thsi is clearly written in my review actually). The paper style tbh felt like Paper Mario and take JUST that, it clearly is paper mario, I have no doubts on that. The only problem is the rest of the game and its core gameplay was so bad that it made me forget about it.....

so i knew the SS assets weren't inherently wrong, that was clearly nott he problem, it was more of the ideas behind using them that was the problem, world 3 is the perfect examples, this is how to NOT be Paper Mario here.....seriously I couldn`t find much good about this world.....

So the idea that I proposed and really believed was that Paper Jam wasn;t trying to follow SS, but to actually go away from it, I took it as a transition for the Paper Mario series. See, most people jsut don`t want to go back to SS, the onyl time i ever saw this is 90% becuase of sarcastic remark and troll. I agree this kinda is the truth for spm BUT SPM IS UNDERRATED DAMMIT!

....sorry

Anyway, the point I am tryign to make is that i felt since the beginning pj was tryign to be a transition to go away from SS while msot people firmly believed that it was jsut a follow up to SS and basically lost all faith in Paper Mario......which tbh, i wish I was lying.

So, that still wouldn;t explain why they used SS.....unless they actually for some reasons in dev were in olbigation to use SS. And THAT is where the interview comes into play. I started to think about this logically and realised that this theory about SS being only used for data accessibility that it jsut made plain sense. I saw a lot of not reinvented, but pasted data directly from SS in early previews and even more evidences, I did a basic datamining and found the EXACT assets i ripped from SS.....the exact ones.

Alphadream and IS being clearly different devs, it jsut made sense to see IS listed as "special thanks" int he credits, that means they did collaborated, but didn't made the game.

So having data pasted directly from SS is in itself a huge red flags, these things don't happen by magic, there has to have communications between the 2 devs to not only be familiar with the data, but how they shoudl use it.

And the last argument I had is very simple: SS is the onyl game ever released ont he Paper Mario series to be on the exact same console that pj woudl release on meaning that no matter which games they take as base, SS woudl be by far the simpliest to use. The other games.....tbh I think it woudl have been possivble, but it had to have serious formatting (spm has a much higher resolution for example).

That motivation for using SS if proven would basically make very likely that SS HAD to be used no matter what considering the game`s intent.

That jsut got proven today, SS was used only becuase of data, they even mention IS assistance so it's not like they tried to recreate Paper Mario, IS was helping them to acheive the feel of it.

So guys, please for the love of paper and thinness, do not and please do not judge this game based on the ammount of SS influence this game has. I did and I regret it a lot, altough the game exceeded my expectation because of it, at least I was able to finalyl figure out that the SS based didn't matter. I know a lot of people believed that this game further prove that SS is the future of Paper Mario, but it's clearly not what they tried to do. they tried to go away from it, not bring it back and the entire point of SS even being there is timing circumstances......there was no other reasons....

I still remember an argument on this thread some months ago about me wanting the series to fail......it's very ironic that I thoguht the entire opposite and I got proven today.....

 

[Coricus]

I was thinking one of those Mugen rosters where they have like one billion characters on one screen.

That wouldn't work in this fandom though, because every time a new character is added people get offended that said character is polluting their roster.

And yet Charizard, Mewtwo, Zelda, Ganondorf, Diddy, and K. Rool are still there? :V

Those three fandoms are pretty much the anchor point for any fandom desires. I definitely considered getting rid of Charizard and Zelda, but as long as the demand for villains exists Mewtwo and Ganondorf will only be revamped into oblivion rather than cut.

DK being neglected is pretty much the one thing the more bitter parts of the fandom can agree on, so of course those two are staying.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm just glad that, between this and Boom sales, people are FINALLY speaking with their wallets.

Well Boom wasn't even Sonic Team so it makes no difference to them.

I also am not necessarily sure Runners is their fault either. The game was perfectly fine during the soft launch, and the response to it was overwhelmingly positive. I seriously doubt the changes were all Sonic Team's call, I get the impression that this was a case of higher-up meddling from the executives at SEGA.

That wouldn't work in this fandom though, because every time a new character is added people get offended that said character is polluting their roster.


Those three fandoms are pretty much the anchor point for any fandom desires. I definitely considered getting rid of Charizard and Zelda, but as long as the demand for villains exists Mewtwo and Ganondorf will only be revamped into oblivion rather than cut.

DK being neglected is pretty much the one thing the more bitter parts of the fandom can agree on, so of course those two are staying.

But you said you were cutting characters anyone has asked to be cut. And I have seen quite a few people ask these characters be cut.

Ganondorf: "Useless clone"
Zelda: "Consistently **** tier, nobody likes playing as her"
Peach (forgot her before): "Useless damsel nobody genuinely likes"
Charizard: "Pokémon's first Lightning, forced as hell, should have been Ivysaur or Squirtle"
Mewtwo: "Pokémon's second Lightning, forced as hell, wasn't fun to play and was **** tier in Melee, he'll only be **** again"
Diddy: "Annoying character nobody actually likes, translates to his Smash moveset since he's such a pain to fight" (this was especially common in vanilla Smash 4)
K. Rool: "Literally who?"

 

[Burruni]

Gonna makr some potential Bayonetta customs!
B1: Onyx Roses: The shots are slower, but do more damage
B2: Kafka: A single arrow that when fully charged, deal poison damage
Side B1: Durga flame, the kick is now a kill move at the sacrifice of less range
Side B2: Durga lighting. Think Ike's Close Combat for After Burner Kick
Up B1: Alruna, longer start up, but can grab enemies from above and slam them too the ground
Up B2: Rakshasa: Extended reach and much more damage, but makes Bayonetta helpless
Down B1: Rosemary beads: When countering, Witch Time doesn't trigger, but a powerful projectile gets launched from where Bayo was hit, works on projectiles
Down B2: Parry.Witch Time isn't triggered, but the foe instead gets stunned for a short amount of time

A lot of good, my suggestions bsically come down to..
Side B1: Odette - Kick covers less distance but performs a small flurry of slashes when connecting (Blade Beam EX) and launches at a more horizontal angle.
Side B2: Salamandra - Kick is slower but is a kill move.
I like the others.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Puppymonkeybaby was the best commercial. Where's the official poll where I can vote on it, I heard that there's one.

 

[NintenZ]

Well Boom wasn't even Sonic Team so it makes no difference to them.

I also am not necessarily sure Runners is their fault either. The game was perfectly fine during the soft launch, and the response to it was overwhelmingly positive. I seriously doubt the changes were all Sonic Team's call, I get the impression that this was a case of higher-up meddling from the executives at SEGA.

What about Iizuka though?

Surely with him being a higher-up at Sonic Team he'd have some sort of voice towards these decisions being made.

 

[Substitution]

That wouldn't work in this fandom though, because every time a new character is added people get offended that said character is polluting their roster.

No... It's not too far off the beaten path. I've seen plenty of rosters go into the seventies and the like.

I'm just saying you may be exaggerating a bit when it comes to the "fanbase's roster". Are there rotten apples? Sure. But it's the same with every fanbase.

Heck I don't like some of the character choices that were made. Does that make me a bad person for not liking a character? No.

 

[ChikoLad]

What about Tezuka though?

Surely with him being a higher-up at Sonic Team he'd have some sort of voice towards these decisions being made.

Tezuka? Don't you mean Iizuka?

Unless there is a Tezuka at SEGA.

When I think Tezuka, I think Takashi Tezuka from Nintendo, aka "Yoshi's Dad".

 

[NintenZ]

Tezuka? Don't you mean Iizuka?

Unless there is a Tezuka at SEGA.

When I think Tezuka, I think Takashi Tezuka from Nintendo, aka "Yoshi's Dad".

Yes, I mean Iizuka... That was a typo....

 

[Wolfie557]

Gonna makr some potential Bayonetta customs!
B1: Onyx Roses: The shots are slower, but do more damage
B2: Kafka: A single arrow that when fully charged, deal poison damage
Side B1: Durga flame, the kick is now a kill move at the sacrifice of less range
Side B2: Durga lighting. Think Ike's Close Combat for After Burner Kick
Up B1: Alruna, longer start up, but can grab enemies from above and slam them too the ground
Up B2: Rakshasa: Extended reach and much more damage, but makes Bayonetta helpless
Down B1: Rosemary beads: When countering, Witch Time doesn't trigger, but a powerful projectile gets launched from where Bayo was hit, works on projectiles
Down B2: Parry.Witch Time isn't triggered, but the foe instead gets stunned for a short amount of time

Those......are actually really good ideas.

Since I'm in an especially sour mood today, I've decided to bring back my mental concept of what would happen if the vocal minority was a single amalgamation and had total control over the roster of a new Smash Brothers.

......exactly where did you pull this mega-bull from eh? And why would you even attempt at doing such a thing? It's impossible to do so anyway, because it doesn't exist.

 

[NintenZ]

Those......are actually really good ideas.

......exactly where did you pull this mega-bull from eh? And why would you even attempt at doing such a thing? It's impossible to do so anyway, because it doesn't exist.

Well at least it has Ganondorf to in it.

 

[Fenriraga]

Well Boom wasn't even Sonic Team so it makes no difference to them.

I also am not necessarily sure Runners is their fault either. The game was perfectly fine during the soft launch, and the response to it was overwhelmingly positive. I seriously doubt the changes were all Sonic Team's call, I get the impression that this was a case of higher-up meddling from the executives at SEGA.



But you said you were cutting characters anyone has asked to be cut. And I have seen quite a few people ask these characters be cut.

Ganondorf: "Useless clone"
Zelda: "Consistently **** tier, nobody likes playing as her"
Peach (forgot her before): "Useless damsel nobody genuinely likes"
Charizard: "Pokémon's first Lightning, forced as hell, should have been Ivysaur or Squirtle"
Mewtwo: "Pokémon's second Lightning, forced as hell, wasn't fun to play and was **** tier in Melee, he'll only be **** again"
Diddy: "Annoying character nobody actually likes, translates to his Smash moveset since he's such a pain to fight" (this was especially common in vanilla Smash 4)
K. Rool: "Literally who?"

To Sonic Team, for sure. But considering how damn hard Sega is trying to push the Boom branding to kids, I kinda have to disagree on their end.

And in the end it comes down to sales, and Runners doesn't hold a candle to other mobile games in terms of sales. The 2.0 decisions have barely anything to do with it. Even if it sold well during its soft launch, that's literally only 2 regions of the world, and B team or not, it's still a Sonic Team game.

Also, is it just me, or is Runners not on the Play Store anymore?

 

[DMurr]

Those......are actually really good ideas.

......exactly where did you pull this mega-bull from eh? And why would you even attempt at doing such a thing? It's impossible to do so anyway, because it doesn't exist.

Ugh. The Zelda characters looked so much better in Brawl.

 

[Coricus]

Those......are actually really good ideas.

......exactly where did you pull this mega-bull from eh? And why would you even attempt at doing such a thing? It's impossible to do so anyway, because it doesn't exist.

I watched GameFAQs like a nature documentary for three years.

Combined with my unstable mood today, I think that should give a general idea.

 

[Wolfie557]

I watched GameFAQs like a nature documentary for three years.

Combined with my unstable mood today, I think that should give a general idea.

Thats where you went wrong already. Gamefaqs isn't enough.

 

[NintenZ]

To Sonic Team, for sure. But considering how damn hard Sega is trying to push the Boom branding to kids, I kinda have to disagree on their end.

And in the end it comes down to sales, and Runners doesn't hold a candle to other mobile games in terms of sales. The 2.0 decisions have barely anything to do with it. Even if it sold well during its soft launch, that's literally only 2 regions of the world, and B team or not, it's still a Sonic Team game.

Also, is it just me, or is Runners not on the Play Store anymore?

No, I can't find it either.

I think they may've removed it because they wanted to fix it?

 

[Burruni]

Ugh. The Zelda characters looked so much better in Brawl.

I still want to play as a Ganondorf that isn't his fugly TP design