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#HBC | ZoZo

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At the time where it came down to decide between lynching Laundry and lynching Ryu ... at the end of Day 2 I was sitting on Laundry quite comfortably and a Ryu lynch was far from guaranteed at that point. You know, I didn't need to switch to make sure that Ryu's lynch actually happens considering how damn right I was about Laundry. I could've just kept sitting there and reap the reward of massive pro-town credit. Switched anyway.
Ok, but how do these points make you town while I'm still hella scum to you (and if I'm not anymore, it's not due to this)?

You say you were sitting on Laundry (I made a big post outlining reasoning for lynching him that was according to you similar to yours + more) and that you could've just rode it out and gotten the lynch and massive pro-town credits (when I was the third vote on Ruy besides Kantrip and Laundry and only AFTER that did Gheb, Joey, Orboknown move their votes there).
You say you instead steered it to Ruy which was actually LAUNDRY drumming up people and out of all people /I/ was one of the first to switch to Ruy. Why is this so pro-town of you but meanwhile I am still scum? Everything you attributed to yourself as pro-town can be attributed to me to a greater degree. I don't care about that, though.
What I do care about is: why is your read on me scum when I've done so many things you yourself find pro-town?
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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I'd rather leave Laundry alive and hope that he actually shoots Gheb. If we leave JimMo alive and he gets replaced or simply decides to shoot and looks for, you know, the confirmed cop, we're in trouble. For what it's worth, he was online just 45 mins ago so it's not like he's entirely AFK.
With Alex we have a better best-case-scenario and the same worst-case-scenario.
 

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We know Laundry and JM are the Werewolves now so the question that remains is who are Ryu's likely mates.

I'm not that hard-on about you being scum anymore. Like I said, I'm entertaining the idea that either or you or Joker is one of Ryu's mates and right now I'm starting to lean more towards Joker. But I still think there's a realistic chance that it could be you, I'm just really not sure. But at this point we're hunting for the Goons and I've made my case on why I'm most certainly not one of them.

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We know Laundry and JM are the Werewolves now so the question that remains is who are Ryu's likely mates.

I'm not that hard-on about you being scum anymore. Like I said, I'm entertaining the idea that either or you or Joker is one of Ryu's mates and right now I'm starting to lean more towards Joker. But I still think there's a realistic chance that it could be you, I'm just really not sure. But at this point we're hunting for the Goons and I've made my case on why I'm most certainly not one of them.

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Except, if you read my post, every single point of your case applies to me.
The only thing that made you reluctant to call me scum lately is my arguments on Joker, which is entirely irrelevant.

The issue still stands: why do those things you outlined apply to you but to me?
 

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I'd rather leave Laundry alive and hope that he actually shoots Gheb. If we leave JimMo alive and he gets replaced or simply decides to shoot and looks for, you know, the confirmed cop, we're in trouble. For what it's worth, he was online just 45 mins ago so it's not like he's entirely AFK.
With Alex we have a better best-case-scenario and the same worst-case-scenario.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from with that angle. The question is whether we can really trust Laundry to actually kill me over the confirmed townie. I know he said he'd help us but I'm not sure if it's worth the gambit. First of all I bet he's kinda salty now about how badly he got exposed and he might change his mind at a later point. And second killing me this Night Phase isn't actually "helping town" in the strictest sense.

I'll have to think about whether it's worth the risk going for Laundry first.

I also thought the cop was a comparison cop LOL
Fwiw I think both CCop and Doc are better roles in JR than regular cop is.

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Also, what made you lean to Joker? Last page you were saying I was the prime candidate. Does me posting math make me more town?
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you joined the Ryu wagon after I did ... tbqh I don't even remember you joining the Ryu lynch at all and right now we're looking for his mates. If you ever actually joined his lynch I'm pretty sure it was at a time where it was clear that he'd be the lynch and not Laundry.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you joined the Ryu wagon after I did ... tbqh I don't even remember you joining the Ryu lynch at all and right now we're looking for his mates. If you ever actually joined his lynch I'm pretty sure it was at a time where it was clear that he'd be the lynch and not Laundry.

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The order was Laundry>Kantrip>Me>You. I was the first to switch off saying I'd feel Laundry out more thoroughly this dayphase.
 

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Also, what made you lean to Joker? Last page you were saying I was the prime candidate. Does me posting math make me more town?
No but Joker being an opportunistic parasite showing up to throw dirt at me just as Laundry reveals himself makes him easily more scummy than you. Posting Math isn't a pro-town thing but at least you're keeping rational over the whole thing which is constructive in any case. Joker wouldn't even consider options and just piss all over my slot ... over the claim of a werewolf, mind you.

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Alright it was Jokers post that pushed him over me. Okay then. Main point still stands, your read of me at the time makes no sense.
 

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My math post still applies. The only thing is that if Laundry decides to shoot Ash we can't math-win, we have to figure things out in a 3goons 2town scenario with Gheb/Xonar/Joey/Orboknown/Joker alive.
 

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http://smashboards.com/threads/swag-halloween-mafia-day-3-yo-swag.371155/page-22#post-18008364 Here's a link to my vote post and if you scroll down you'll find yours.
Welp, looks like I was wrong there. I remember being frustrated about you being so adamant on lynching Laundry and seemingly not considering Ryu an option. Looks like the whole deal was actually a lot smaller than it was in my memory though.

Which is actually perfectly fine with me because it saves me the trouble of figuring out who between you and Joker is a Goon.

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I'm going to leave this alone for a bit and think on things some more, there might be a more optimal solution, but right now I have a lot of things on my mind and I need to give it some time. I'll be back tonight!
 

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Welp, looks like I was wrong there. I remember being frustrated about you being so adamant on lynching Laundry and seemingly not considering Ryu an option. Looks like the whole deal was actually a lot smaller than it was in my memory though.

Which is actually perfectly fine with me because it saves me the trouble of figuring out who between you and Joker is a Goon.

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Whos the last goon then if its only one of them? Me or joey?
 

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My math post still applies. The only thing is that if Laundry decides to shoot Ash we can't math-win, we have to figure things out in a 3goons 2town scenario with Gheb/Xonar/Joey/Orboknown/Joker alive.
Yeah, this is where I'm trying to figure out the risk / reward ratio of each plan.

If we lynch JM toDay and Laundry kills me then we have great odds to win this game with 3 townies vs 2 goons. One of the townies would be cleared and cannot be Night Killed anymore and the Goons would be easier to find as they're on the defense. The problem is that it'd leave us with only 1 mislynch left before the Goons can endgame us and it's not a guaranteed math win for us either. Furthermore, we would still have to trust Laundry to not kill Ashy. It's a risky plan and the reward may not be high enough for us.
We can lynch Laundry and hope JM fails to send in his Night Kill which would leaves us with 4 townies vs 2 goons, one of the townies being cleared and no NKs being possible anymore. The Goons would be in an even worse situation because we'd actually have a mislynch left before they can endgame us. It's more rewarding but more risky as there's a chance that JM [or his replacement] kills Ashy during the Night.

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Would appreciate more indepth stuff from joker n joey, i know ash will get to it eventually
Ashy already made it pretty clear that he thinks Joker is scum though. It's really only Joey and Joker who have explaining to do right now.

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So Laundry is shooting Gheb? I'm honestly fine with that based on the scenarios that were given.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Sorry for being totally gone all weekend, I'm a bad person. I did check in on the thread at one point though and still didn't see anything worth commenting on, but it looks like a lot happened since then. Namely, somehow we found both werewolves? I guess that's cool... kinda wish they weren't both just sorta handed to us.

So now it's down to finding Ryu's mates. I'm actually in agreement with Laundry about Gheb, he's been... off from how I usually expect towngheb to act. I'm 90% sure that the way he's spinning the interaction between himself and Laundry is that he's pretty sure Laundry is scum, and is dragging his read on him through the mud so he can look like the golden boy when Laundry flips, and we'll all forget about how scummy Laundry told us he was.

So if it's down to me and xonar, obviously I'd vote xonar. He's been insisting that he has this strong scumread on me, which he's been pushing? I haven't felt any pressure, I'll be honest. Maybe it's because I've been gone, but I haven't seen him say anything other than "Joker was doing a good job of scumhunting on D1, then went V/LA (without telling anyone, sorry bros), therefore I think he's scum because setup reasons." Frankly I still think Joey's play looks like ***, but I don't know that he makes sense as Ryu's mate. I do think it's funny that people were saying he'd be great to keep around for content, when he's contributed none.
k yep xonar/gheb/ryu scum team

have fun kids

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#HBC | Laundry

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Alright, let me get this straight. Because Laundry - the confirmed mafioso - can't get over the fact that I hardbodied his scummy *** I'm actually considered a likely contender to be Ryu's mate now? Have you guys been asleep at the end of Day 2? I even let the Laundry wagon disintegrate to make the Ryu lynch possible in the first place. Is that what Laundry calls me having a "paper trail" to Ryu? Let's not get unreasonable now.

Here's a better plan: we lynch Laundry toDay. Then we sit back and watch as JM fails to send in his Night Kill and have ourselves an easy time figuring out who between the remaining players are Ryu's actual mates. We're not giving scum the opportunity to kill another townie toNight.

Vote Laundry

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naw it's cause your reactions to ruy and your reactions to me are straight from the perspective of a mafioso and your stubborn insistence that the wagon could go four ways with about 6 hours to deadline, leaving it completely nebulous and your hands completely clean, is it.

but please, continue, i enjoy the salt explosion.

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#HBC | Laundry

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At the time where it came down to decide between lynching Laundry and lynching Ryu ... at the end of Day 2 I was sitting on Laundry quite comfortably and a Ryu lynch was far from guaranteed at that point. You know, I didn't need to switch to make sure that Ryu's lynch actually happens considering how damn right I was about Laundry. I could've just kept sitting there and reap the reward of massive pro-town credit. Switched anyway.

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"i was right on the opposing mafia"
you don't see me stroking my **** over being right on ruy

"i made the ruy lynch happen"
reach for that towncred.

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#HBC | Laundry

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My math post still applies. The only thing is that if Laundry decides to shoot Ash we can't math-win, we have to figure things out in a 3goons 2town scenario with Gheb/Xonar/Joey/Orboknown/Joker alive.
ash is useless anyways now that i've outed. shooting him does me no favors.

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#HBC | Laundry

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You're not aligned with him. Neither am I.

But you're still scum and I'm not.

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you keep saying these words but are making no progress in convincing me that you're not scum. you want me not to shoot you tonight, you better start convincing me that it's joker/xonar. even from your standpoint you're basically saying it's one of joker/joey/orbo and i damn well can't believe that.

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#HBC | Laundry

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We can lynch Laundry and hope JM fails to send in his Night Kill which would leaves us with 4 townies vs 2 goons, one of the townies being cleared and no NKs being possible anymore.

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fwiw that's not how it works. kantrip's death was accidental. i wanted to reread in time to figure out which of you and xonar was better to shoot but then i got snapped up by irl so it got randomized to potato.

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#HBC | Laundry

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My math post still applies. The only thing is that if Laundry decides to shoot Ash we can't math-win, we have to figure things out in a 3goons 2town scenario with Gheb/Xonar/Joey/Orboknown/Joker alive.
yeh but then i let the scumteam win and i can't have that.

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