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[Orboknown]

Probably scummy. I have no idea why people would scumread you at this point and him trying to drag you down is scummy to me. I have nothing particularly solid but I still see no fair reason to trust him. If he's scum, he's probably not scum with Gheb.

Alright. Figured I'd ask you since you've prolly got the best inside view of anyone still in the player base. I want to see if ghebs actually got a response to these

 

[Orboknown]

@#HBC | Joker, talk to me bout gheb and ashemu, maybe xonar too

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Orbo's gameplay feels innocent and perceptive of all angles rather than trying to push for any specific agenda outside of scumhunting. He may be playing a solid scum game but I don't have basis for it.

This, same as Ashemu, feels like gut + that he has no agenda. Can you show examples of him actually scumhunting? Also, to me, this seems like it would constitute to a null-lean town. I actually want to figure Orbo out real bad but he's been providing almost nothing in terms of content even when I called him out on it twice. I know he did his catch-up thing but to me that felt so generic and null. So whaddya got?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

lol ninja. Don't mind me, Orbo. You keep doing you.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@ #HBC | Laundry are you entirely caught up?

 

[Orboknown]

lol ninja. Don't mind me, Orbo. You keep doing you.

Because i mind people in general when i play haha

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

This, same as Ashemu, feels like gut + that he has no agenda. Can you show examples of him actually scumhunting? Also, to me, this seems like it would constitute to a null-lean town. I actually want to figure Orbo out real bad but he's been providing almost nothing in terms of content even when I called him out on it twice. I know he did his catch-up thing but to me that felt so generic and null. So whaddya got?

That he normally plays like this. Orbo is not a very active campaigner, at least to my memory, and is way more a supporter than a leader. Him not aggressively pushing anything down people's pipes doesn't surprise me because that's not how Orbo plays. He posts who he finds scummy and constantly puts his opinion out but he doesn't really take control a lot of the time. I'm more curious why you're so actively trying to leave him in the null zone.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Probably scummy. I have no idea why people would scumread you at this point and him trying to drag you down is scummy to me.

Oh? Can you elaborate on this?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

still catching up hold your boners

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Why later? What's the value of getting back to it later?

I wanted to wait for more people to do their thing before starting a crusade on Joker, esp with him being AFK.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That he normally plays like this. Orbo is not a very active campaigner, at least to my memory, and is way more a supporter than a leader. Him not aggressively pushing anything down people's pipes doesn't surprise me because that's not how Orbo plays. He posts who he finds scummy and constantly puts his opinion out but he doesn't really take control a lot of the time. I'm more curious why you're so actively trying to leave him in the null zone.

Leave him in the null zone? My "dragging him down" is me trying to get a read on him. I've been poking at him multiple times and the issue is exactly that he remains in my null zone. Also, if that is how he normally plays, then why does it point to town over scummy?

 

[Orboknown]

Fwiw i feel its less joker being afk and him just not having sfuff he wants to comment on, at least if its any way similar to how i remember him whe n. We hydra

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Leave him in the null zone? My "dragging him down" is me trying to get a read on him. I've been poking at him multiple times and the issue is exactly that he remains in my null zone. Also, if that is how he normally plays, then why does it point to town over scummy?

Because you don't accept what others tell you even when it is in line with Orbo's play. Despite seeing why others have him town, often as you call it the result of "gut+PoE", you're not satisfied with that and continue to pick at it rather than letting it go and finding another angle. That doesn't read like you trying to read him, that reads like you trying to get everyone to question him harder. Do you think he's scum?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I wanted to wait for more people to do their thing before starting a crusade on Joker, esp with him being AFK.

So why are you picking at people's Orbo reads if you think Joker is scum?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Because you don't accept what others tell you even when it is in line with Orbo's play. Despite seeing why others have him town, often as you call it the result of "gut+PoE", you're not satisfied with that and continue to pick at it rather than letting it go and finding another angle. That doesn't read like you trying to read him, that reads like you trying to get everyone to question him harder. Do you think he's scum?

I have no clue if he's scum or not, he hasn't been scummy but I feel like he hasn't contributed much to town either, and you know full well I can't take others gut as reason. I'm prodding you right now to figure out what it is exactly that makes you think he's town.

So why are you picking at people's Orbo reads if you think Joker is scum?

Because having a town read would be intensely powerful in this situation (4 town 4 scum left), and others are reading him as town, which means there must be some reason there, but when I'm asking for reasons there's nothing that I can sit comfortably on. Gut I can't take. This is how he usually plays - does not indicate alignment. I don't get it, so explain it to me in detail.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Also, Gheb vanished after I dropped that post on him.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Re Gheb case: I agree that the switch on to Ruy was late. That's part of what you matched me on. What I'm more concerned about is the way he just sat on Kantrip, but that also makes me think that IF he's scum, he doesn't have access over the nightkill. You mention that he hasn't made much effort to develop his read, which I think is actually something part of his playstyle in general that I do not like. He's been playing very judgmental, in that he judges slots but doesn't do much to get things out of them. He's very much "the observer", which is also the approach he's taking with me right now. I was fine ignoring that and waiting until later in the day where I could either catch him on another "easy" switch or await for him to actually give reasoning if he wanted to lynch me and get others to follow him. But yeah, that's more what worries me, him not actually getting his hands dirty, ya know?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

And with "part of his playstyle that I don't like" I mean the way he's been approaching this game.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I have no clue if he's scum or not, he hasn't been scummy but I feel like he hasn't contributed much to town either, and you know full well I can't take others gut as reason. I'm prodding you right now to figure out what it is exactly that makes you think he's town.

Because having a town read would be intensely powerful in this situation (4 town 4 scum left), and others are reading him as town, which means there must be some reason there, but when I'm asking for reasons there's nothing that I can sit comfortably on. Gut I can't take. This is how he usually plays - does not indicate alignment. I don't get it, so explain it to me in detail.

Before I get into this: why do you need that townread? You think Joker is scum, why are you continually prying at people's logic for Orbo to be town when you think Joker is scum and haven't said anything about why he's scum?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Re Gheb case: I agree that the switch on to Ruy was late. That's part of what you matched me on. What I'm more concerned about is the way he just sat on Kantrip, but that also makes me think that IF he's scum, he doesn't have access over the nightkill. You mention that he hasn't made much effort to develop his read, which I think is actually something part of his playstyle in general that I do not like. He's been playing very judgmental, in that he judges slots but doesn't do much to get things out of them. He's very much "the observer", which is also the approach he's taking with me right now. I was fine ignoring that and waiting until later in the day where I could either catch him on another "easy" switch or await for him to actually give reasoning if he wanted to lynch me and get others to follow him. But yeah, that's more what worries me, him not actually getting his hands dirty, ya know?

I mean, that's fine, but do you think he's scum?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Better yet, instead of just playing twenty questions with me where you know my reads but I don't know yours, why don't you lay those out for me so I have a sense of where your head's at.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm town, Joey's town I'm like 90% sure, having another town read would make my lynch pool really easy to construct, especially if I get out of this conversation with you what I want (a solid read on you). I haven't said much about Joker scum yet because, like I said earlier, I want people to say their part before I throw that out there.

I'm going to outline how the playerlist looks to me in a second, toilet break. If you get where I'm coming from this might be a lot easier, and I now might get something out of putting my reads out there.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oh ninja. Anyway, time for a super doopy poopy doopy.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm town, Joey's town I'm like 90% sure, having another town read would make my lynch pool really easy to construct, especially if I get out of this conversation with you what I want (a solid read on you). I haven't said much about Joker scum yet because, like I said earlier, I want people to say their part before I throw that out there.

I'm going to outline how the playerlist looks to me in a second, toilet break. If you get where I'm coming from this might be a lot easier, and I now might get something out of putting my reads out there.

"I have a scumread but rather than push it down I'm just not gonna talk about it."

What exactly do you get by waiting?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I get slots that react to the game on their own as well as a reaction specifically on Joker without anyone seeing the details or motivation behind my vote. I've done this more times this game, I don't get why it is an issue now.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I get slots that react to the game on their own as well as a reaction specifically on Joker without anyone seeing the details or motivation behind my vote. I've done this more times this game, I don't get why it is an issue now.

Because your entire stance on the game at the moment is "I'll wait and see". You call me out for making zero effort this game, rightly so, but your entire approach has been "I'mma just let others talk first" despite having someone you think is scum. You not putting the pressure on allows other people to keep their composure and hope they make a mistake. To me, it doesn't look like scumhunting as much as it does waiting for opportune moments to catch onto everything else.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Joey is town. Joey's thought process has been great and consistent, and looking back on his wagon antics, they were grimy but I /can/ see where he's coming from, and the reasoning was consistent. His reply to the wagoning shows that he doesn't have a scum PoV this game, because where Kantrip accurately pointed out that Gheb had it backwards, Joey didn't realize what scum were actually doing, meaning he's looking at it from a town point of view. My only concern with him is how he is not reevaluating slots (brought up mainly after I asked him what the results of his reevaluation on Kantrip flip were), but he simply doesn't seem very invested in general, so I need not put too much value to that.

Gheb I've just outlined. I feel like he's worth pressure but not a priority right now... which as I'm writing this I realize this has been my view of him since day1, which actually worries me. The issue with the points that I raised is that I remember Gheb has always played that way, armchair mafia, so it weighs less to me. I got my eyes on him, a wagon I can feel, a lynch I'm not sold on. The issue is that his playstyle lines up with that of a ccop.

The issue I have with Mavenslot is that he did come back after being under pressure, but ONLY to defend himself. That's hella suspect and survivalist. That, and his response to Ryker's death was icky sticky ew. You know how commenting on the night action with surprise is like the typical noobscum read? Well that's what he did, and he added some promise of content that "accidentally" fell through on top of it. I did like his vote on Ruy after his wagon, and some of the things during the wagoning too. Would like to see more of Ashemu, though.

Jim Morrison is null. Been utterly inactive and I do kinda agree with Kantrip mentioning in his reread that he brought up some original ideas, which makes me wonder why Ashemu thinks JimMo was such standard scum.

Orboknown people read as town while I have him as a null, so I want to see where people are coming from.

You. I've raised my concerns with you, and while "convenience" and "not invested" do work out, they're also very convenient and easy to pull out, which has me wary. I think your case on Gheb is honestly rather ill-focused (I think everything except what I lined out is meh at best). I see that you're trying to unravel my thought pattern but I'm honestly still curious about yours in a lot of cases. Your Orbo read still seems hella weak and your Gheb case I find weirdly constructed at least.

Last is Joker, Joker has been approaching this game exactly as a scum faction should. He's been scumhunting, and his scumhunting has been real... because that's what happens in this set-up. His posts on Joey I agreed with and I thought his thought process was nice and his line of questioning too. What bothered me was EVERYTHING after. After settling on "yup, joey is definitely scum" he left, popped in a time or two to say "wow there's nothing to do here", vote the popular bandwagon, or rag on Joey some more. He's just been sitting on it... After Joey, he has made ZERO effort to generate any content, do any questioning, nada. He's under the radar but did scumhunt. When I thought of his play that way, it lined up pretty much exactly with how I expect scum to approach this game. What do you make of his play pattern, Alex?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Because your entire stance on the game at the moment is "I'll wait and see". You call me out for making zero effort this game, rightly so, but your entire approach has been "I'mma just let others talk first" despite having someone you think is scum. You not putting the pressure on allows other people to keep their composure and hope they make a mistake. To me, it doesn't look like scumhunting as much as it does waiting for opportune moments to catch onto everything else.

I put pressure on the slot... I literally asked everyone who did not vote him to justify. That lets me use that scum read as a start to read other players. If anything, I'm getting the maximum mileage out of my read. There's still a lot more days left. I did a similar thing yesterday with your slot, and posted my reasoning eventually which did put the pressure on. Your issue with my playstyle seems to be rather convenient, as you disregard what works in my favor (yesterday) to focus on what [could possibly] go wrong today when the day isn't even over yet. In a sense, yes, it's waiting for moments, but I am steering people to, at least to some degree, make their moments about what I find relevant.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

also i've gone mostly deaf on my left ear and i need to see a doctor jesus christ this is annoying

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I put pressure on the slot... I literally asked everyone who did not vote him to justify. That lets me use that scum read as a start to read other players. If anything, I'm getting the maximum mileage out of my read. There's still a lot more days left. I did a similar thing yesterday with your slot, and posted my reasoning eventually which did put the pressure on. Your issue with my playstyle seems to be rather convenient, as you disregard what works in my favor (yesterday) to focus on what [could possibly] go wrong today when the day isn't even over yet. In a sense, yes, it's waiting for moments, but I am steering people to, at least to some degree, make their moments about what I find relevant.

ey man whaddya think about joker

You're supposed to think SOMETHING of him. Do you think he's town?

Sidenote: This is something I'll get back to later.

? Don't fill things in. I did not conclude anything from that other than exactly what you said. I'm getting back to Joker as a slot later. I have no problem with your double negation, and if I did, I wouldn't be so roundabout about it.

This is the extent of you asking about Joker this phase. Sorry, but I don't think I'm particularly convinced that you're truly prodding at people about your scumread or getting them to do what you want. It seems like you're mostly poking at Gheb as he's the only one who's given you an answer and your direct response was "I'll come back to this." I've seen more effort out of you when it comes to Orbo because you have directly sought more out of Ashemu and I when you weren't satisfied with our responses.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

ebwop: forgot the original post where you asked others to comment on him sue me

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ok..? I asked people to comment on him, and conversation went elsewhere for a bit, you want me to choke out all information except **** regarding my JokerScum read? You're still disregarding the fact that this game itself has shown my approach, so what is it you're really pointing out? I'm not putting enough effort into it by this stage of the dayphase [compared to what you would put into it] when [what I put into it by now] clearly shows from last day? Idgi.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

That's a lot of loaded questions (I think is the right term?), but the real question in that post 991 is "what are you really pointing out"?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

That's a lot of loaded questions (I think is the right term?), but the real question in that post 991 is "what are you really pointing out"?

The fact that what you're saying is not lining up with what you're doing.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The fact that what you're saying is not lining up with what you're doing.

Which is bull****. Quote what I've been saying I'm doing and I'll go one by one and tell you how I've been doing it, because apparently it's not getting through your skull.

 

[Ashemu]

zonar and laundry need to make out already & by make out i mean crossfire

this is the point where i realize subbing into a mafia game while on vacation and in the middle of a depressive episode is a really really bad idea. i have no idea when to out as cop in jungle republic but ive been the least subtle breadcrumber in existence anyway so

Joker is not a wolf
JimMo is a wolf

peace

vote: jim morrison

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I already have. Your interest in Orbo is not the same as your interest in Joker. I've quoted all but one of your posts asking about it. You've not asked others about it outside of Gheb save for a general post about it earlier. You say it's to not prevent information, but you talking about it isn't preventing information. It's just asking what others think about a scumread of yours. You say "this has been my approach all game" but I don't think this approach is that successful.You point out that you did the same for me but at the time of doing it, my interaction with the game had been brief at best and mostly conducted with Ryker. Doing that sort of thing, baiting for others' thoughts on me, makes sense in that light because I had interacted with very few people and so you couldn't see those connections. That's not true for Joker, though. He was very active and talked to a lot of people D1. You don't need to look for those same connections at present because they're already there, in thread. Gheb already pointed out that he didn't want anything to do with a Ruy lynch D1 and I know he's also got lines to Maven, Joey, myself, and Kantrip. You're not seeking to apply pressure to him or his potential mates. You just floated a question out there and saw who bit.

Meanwhile, you keep asking about Orbo and trying to drag more **** out of him. You ask others why they townread him and when they don't respond with what you want, you try to insinuate they're wrong and that they should think this instead. You seem way more invested on figuring that read out or at least convincing others that they're wrong on it. If I didn't know your reads, I would say that you think Joker is null and that Orbo is scum. You're acting that backwards on it.

So, no, I'm not really convinced that what you're doing is what you're saying you're doing. Your actions don't simply line up whatsoever and I don't really buy them. Saying "you need to get it through your skull" is certainly not helping me believe you. If you think I'm wrong, go back and prove it yourself, don't just tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Ashemu]

also nabe messed up and didnt send me my result until i prodded him about it lol

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Welp that's a solid answer to why you asked that question.
Vote: JimMo

Though I'd like to finish this conversation before the end of the day.

Ashemu, since this is probably the last we see of you, can you post your notes or like in-depth content?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

welp

vote: Jim Morrison