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Super Smash Flash 2
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dettadeus
Smash Lord
In the last version, IIRC, it went into freefall if you caught someone with it and it was terrible.
Pure horizontal range I agree with, smaller window of grab frames I agree with, more cooldown I don't agree with because it's like a second and a half total already.
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[TSON]
Hella.
IIRC we shortened the range horizontally & vertically & made it (even) more telegraphed for b. Obviously still subject to some change but it seems pretty balanced.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I feel like it's not a move that should be allow to be thrown out half stage and not get punished for it because they had to shield the initial startup. It should be a move used to go thru and punish projectile camping in my opinion, it's currently an overpowered move.
[TSON]
Hella.
Yeah. We're very much aware. Next demo we'll be capitalizing more on its combo finishing capabilities and less on ridiculous range.
[TSON]
Hella.
By the way, would any of you be interested in helping balance for v0.9?
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
Me xD? LoL jk, already a BR member xD
I think instead of nerfs, some characters need buffs (nerfing only works for OP moes. I dont want to end with flash 2 being similar to SSF 4 xDDDDDDDDD).
I think instead of nerfs, some characters need buffs (nerfing only works for OP moes. I dont want to end with flash 2 being similar to SSF 4 xDDDDDDDDD).
dettadeus
Smash Lord
I'd be willing to help balance for v0.9.
This coming from the guy who figured out how to break three or four characters.
This coming from the guy who figured out how to break three or four characters.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
dettadeus
Smash Lord
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I can help if you guys want.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
I did 0 to death combos with kirby before you did xD (never recorded, but meh, your point xD)
Ness is not by any means broken. He is good, but his recovery is too much a hinder to be top tier. High tier for sure(Pk Slide helps a bit but his rcovery still sucks,even with the JC Psi Shield).
BM was a simultaneous discovery :D
Ness is not by any means broken. He is good, but his recovery is too much a hinder to be top tier. High tier for sure(Pk Slide helps a bit but his rcovery still sucks,even with the JC Psi Shield).
BM was a simultaneous discovery :D
[TSON]
Hella.
Girl please, we balancers knew about that stuff before you guys did, bar Haste being so good <_<
Anyways, if you wanna help you gotta do a couple things:
- Make an account on McLeodGaming, private message me ("[TSON]" is my username there) and await questions to make sure you know what you're doing. You'll need an MG account to access the private section.
- Get a Skype. That's how we all communicate & collaborate.
- Wait for v0.8b to be released (shouldn't be long at all)
& for helping out you get:
- Access to private tests & content before it's ready to go live
- My undying gratitude and occasional rage
- E-viagra
So yeah if you're interested, go for it. I'll be awaiting your PMs.
Anyways, if you wanna help you gotta do a couple things:
- Make an account on McLeodGaming, private message me ("[TSON]" is my username there) and await questions to make sure you know what you're doing. You'll need an MG account to access the private section.
- Get a Skype. That's how we all communicate & collaborate.
- Wait for v0.8b to be released (shouldn't be long at all)
& for helping out you get:
- Access to private tests & content before it's ready to go live
- My undying gratitude and occasional rage
- E-viagra
So yeah if you're interested, go for it. I'll be awaiting your PMs.
felipe_9595
Smash Lord
Then someone screwed it very badly XDDD (I heard crabby balanced yoshi XDDDD)
Sending Pm
dettadeus
Smash Lord
I heard they finished coding Yoshi and then released it without balancing or something like that.
But whatever. Gonna send a PM soon.
But whatever. Gonna send a PM soon.
[TSON]
Hella.
Primarily bugfix/balancing update coming your way soon
dettadeus
Smash Lord
Yay, and I have extra time this week to play games.
Btw, did you ever get Felipe's and my PMs?
Btw, did you ever get Felipe's and my PMs?
[TSON]
Hella.
I did. I told ya we're waiting until after v0.8b to go any further!
Also it's upping right now.
Also it's upping right now.
[TSON]
Hella.
Done, go get it!
http://forums.mcleodgaming.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1083326#p1083326
http://forums.mcleodgaming.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1083326#p1083326
[TSON]
Hella.
EDIT: Doubleposted 
Dhragen
Smash Apprentice
What's happening with this threat people, really, no post since the 0.8b release and no post like weeks ago? no one has a better idea of how to advertize this game better to the comunity at least??, this inactivity makes me sad, :U
dettadeus
Smash Lord
Well there is the fact that there's a whole forum with something like 10000 users on it.
Mypantisgone
Smash Lord
I guess it's not the right place to post it in,but... i've tried to create an account on the ssf2 expansion forum many times,i could create it,not use it...
But i often check things,and someone is doing a gooey expansion,here are some sprites,i know it's not really the right place,but i don't know any other topics,sooo...could someone who has connection with reiforce or someone working on the expansion link those sprites please,it'd be really nice,thx!
The Dsmash could be a roll or something,i don't know...
There too.
Sorry if this is not the right place
but i told about my log in problem,i would be in there more often if it didn't happen...so please,it would be nice,really,really,thank you.
ALSO a little not:don't forget to tell him to recolor and remake some things if he need to.
But i often check things,and someone is doing a gooey expansion,here are some sprites,i know it's not really the right place,but i don't know any other topics,sooo...could someone who has connection with reiforce or someone working on the expansion link those sprites please,it'd be really nice,thx!
The Dsmash could be a roll or something,i don't know...
There too.
Sorry if this is not the right place
but i told about my log in problem,i would be in there more often if it didn't happen...so please,it would be nice,really,really,thank you.
ALSO a little not:don't forget to tell him to recolor and remake some things if he need to.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I feel both Ichigo and Sora are strong currently.
EDIT: and DK
EDIT: and DK
[TSON]
Hella.
Sora is awful at killing. Downright awful.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I know, doesn't matter when his combo game is incredibly strong and has an interesting moveset, I believe he's a strong character atm.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
I switched from Sora to CF in .8b just because of how awkward his nair feels now the way it stops vertical momentum but I can see why you guys did that, Goku and Megaman are both really fun though.
[TSON]
Hella.
Y'all are gonna get some big news soon c:
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[TSON]
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Cleod's delaying the news until like, next week. Blame him.
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[TSON]
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10mad
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Thank goodness for better AI, SSF2's seems almost exactly like Melee's lol
dettadeus
Smash Lord
Melee's AI was like 5 times better than what SSF2 has. Melee lvl 9 was actually a challenge, while SSF2's feels like Brawl lvl 2, tbh.
[TSON]
Hella.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZrUNaaeBw
Competitive play 2k12
Competitive play 2k12
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Hosting a tournament in 2 weeks and making this into a side event!
Btw, is shielding not frame 1? T doesn't feel like it comes out fast at all.
Btw, is shielding not frame 1? T doesn't feel like it comes out fast at all.
[TSON]
Hella.
Shielding is frame 3 I think.
& really? Awesome! :o
Record some matches if you can!
& really? Awesome! :o
Record some matches if you can!
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Probably gonna stream me and m2k playing tonight, will leave a livestream link if we do.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
MAKE megaman better plz
his only great move is gravity lol
no big combos =(
vex comboed me to 110% once with naruto,couldnt do anything
and it's not uncommon for him to combo me to really high %s where i cannot air dodge, nair, or shield out of them
megaman is alright cuz of gravity, but i still feel like he gets ***** very badly by characters like ichigo or a perfect-sora
even if he catches you in gravity (the only reason he can compete), ichigo just swords you cuz of bigger range
can you guys make his up-close moves bigger hitbox? Some moves I feel are useless, I usually find myself using Drill (fair) and flame sword (f-tilt) and f smash after a gravity. His upwards moves are TERRIBLE
Mega Man's Uair for example is WAY too slow to be useful unless the opponent is stupid. I pretty much feel like I have no upwards attacks most of the time.
His down smash and down tilt are useless. I thought at first 17 damage down smash was great but tbh I think it's useless now. Not a big deal, the only real problem is his lack of an upwards attack. It just sucks that's all (he HAS to run away since Uair takes too long to come out).
or, maybe a faster roll? That would make him able to compete with ichigo if he had twice as fast of a roll or better range on his physical moves. He has a blind spot 45 degree angles up and towards. It's usually pointless to challenge naruto's dive kick, it's usually better to shield grab a badly spaced one or to roll away (which sucks cuz his roll is slow).
Are these changes possible?
also me and vex both agree ichigo is stupidly broken. We've only used a few chars. We also think Sora is high tier at least so he's fine mainly mega man needs a buff and ichigo needs a nerf.
edit - his up B needs to not be like Pits lol. DK can throw Mega man off at any % and gimp with a Bair or up B by tradeing with mega mans shots as he's rising (or not even trading at all). I know you can shoot 4 times while rising, but its still way too risky sometimes even while retreating. I find the best option is to up B away from them, shoot 4 times, Dair twice then Bair to land back on stage on the opposite side of the stage, but overall his recovery kind of sucks. The regular B charge attack takes too long to shoot to be useful, it's worthless, the rock throw is worthless, and the red 14 damage missile is useless. Gravity is your main move and the buzzsaw is good too depending on the MU but the other 3 of the 5 weapons are rather worthless. The main things needing to be changed are mega mans roll speed or his up-range ability to fight. Usually the best option is to just pull out the shield by holding forward and spamming B for his 2 frame shield to come out (frame 3 where the good range is at), but because of low damage output it's not that great, just decent.
-buff the mega man things i stated above
-nerf ichigo a LOT, no one can touch him
-naurto seems fine
-didn't test tails out yet but the videos i saw from him online he looks way OPd
-c.falcons nair is ******** lol (the hitbox makes NO SENSE), mega man can't fight him up close he gets ***** badly. His only chance is to spam buzz saws but getting them out is not easy. Most matchups are either gravity or buzzsaw since the other 3 B weapons are completely useless.
Other things to fix:
-3 frame shield should be 1 frame me and vex both think
-DI should be slightly stronger (Falcon can Uair to death almost and naruto/many other chars can combo really hard and its impossible to escape)
-Gravity well has some weird invinciblity glitch where all you can do is grab them otherwise they take no damage. Me and Vex have encountered this 3 times already.
-Getting off platforms sucks. Once you're on a platform, it's almost impossible to get down without getting hit. I know to double tap down but it would be WAY better to just be able to press down to fall through a platform.
his only great move is gravity lol
no big combos =(
vex comboed me to 110% once with naruto,couldnt do anything
and it's not uncommon for him to combo me to really high %s where i cannot air dodge, nair, or shield out of them
megaman is alright cuz of gravity, but i still feel like he gets ***** very badly by characters like ichigo or a perfect-sora
even if he catches you in gravity (the only reason he can compete), ichigo just swords you cuz of bigger range
can you guys make his up-close moves bigger hitbox? Some moves I feel are useless, I usually find myself using Drill (fair) and flame sword (f-tilt) and f smash after a gravity. His upwards moves are TERRIBLE
Mega Man's Uair for example is WAY too slow to be useful unless the opponent is stupid. I pretty much feel like I have no upwards attacks most of the time.
His down smash and down tilt are useless. I thought at first 17 damage down smash was great but tbh I think it's useless now. Not a big deal, the only real problem is his lack of an upwards attack. It just sucks that's all (he HAS to run away since Uair takes too long to come out).
or, maybe a faster roll? That would make him able to compete with ichigo if he had twice as fast of a roll or better range on his physical moves. He has a blind spot 45 degree angles up and towards. It's usually pointless to challenge naruto's dive kick, it's usually better to shield grab a badly spaced one or to roll away (which sucks cuz his roll is slow).
Are these changes possible?
also me and vex both agree ichigo is stupidly broken. We've only used a few chars. We also think Sora is high tier at least so he's fine mainly mega man needs a buff and ichigo needs a nerf.
edit - his up B needs to not be like Pits lol. DK can throw Mega man off at any % and gimp with a Bair or up B by tradeing with mega mans shots as he's rising (or not even trading at all). I know you can shoot 4 times while rising, but its still way too risky sometimes even while retreating. I find the best option is to up B away from them, shoot 4 times, Dair twice then Bair to land back on stage on the opposite side of the stage, but overall his recovery kind of sucks. The regular B charge attack takes too long to shoot to be useful, it's worthless, the rock throw is worthless, and the red 14 damage missile is useless. Gravity is your main move and the buzzsaw is good too depending on the MU but the other 3 of the 5 weapons are rather worthless. The main things needing to be changed are mega mans roll speed or his up-range ability to fight. Usually the best option is to just pull out the shield by holding forward and spamming B for his 2 frame shield to come out (frame 3 where the good range is at), but because of low damage output it's not that great, just decent.
-buff the mega man things i stated above
-nerf ichigo a LOT, no one can touch him
-naurto seems fine
-didn't test tails out yet but the videos i saw from him online he looks way OPd
-c.falcons nair is ******** lol (the hitbox makes NO SENSE), mega man can't fight him up close he gets ***** badly. His only chance is to spam buzz saws but getting them out is not easy. Most matchups are either gravity or buzzsaw since the other 3 B weapons are completely useless.
Other things to fix:
-3 frame shield should be 1 frame me and vex both think
-DI should be slightly stronger (Falcon can Uair to death almost and naruto/many other chars can combo really hard and its impossible to escape)
-Gravity well has some weird invinciblity glitch where all you can do is grab them otherwise they take no damage. Me and Vex have encountered this 3 times already.
-Getting off platforms sucks. Once you're on a platform, it's almost impossible to get down without getting hit. I know to double tap down but it would be WAY better to just be able to press down to fall through a platform.